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browning20ga posted 09-09-2001 11:13 PM ET (US)
I'm thinking about re-powering my 13" Sport.
I'm thinking about a Honda 30 h.p. but I've seen some negative talk here especially in the following thread:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000349.html
I agree Hondas are more expensive but so are B.W. but that is why we are here, we are willing to pay a little more for the value and performance we get with a B.W.
There is a lot of talk about Hondas being heavier than other 4-strokes:
Honda 30hp. 157# w/remote control & elect start
Yamaha 30hp. 198# w/same
Mercury 30hp. 204# w/same
Am I missing something here or is it just a price/name thing???
Does anyone have a Honda in the 25-40 h.p. range that has had a legitimate problem (or positive comments about) with their motor that I should be leery of? I use my boat about 50/50 in fresh/salt water. Very seldom see Mercury's in saltwater around here (northern CA) their considered a water-ski motor around here, mostly OMC, but I'm a little afraid of them right now (even though I love my old Evinrude).
Any comments + or - will be appreciated.
Thanks, Darrell

Bigshot posted 09-10-2001 11:29 AM ET (US)
Being 13's are pretty weight sensitive, that would be my deciding factor. If the Honda is the lightes by a decent margin, go with it. I would not want a 200+lb engine on the back if it was mine.
jameso posted 09-10-2001 01:44 PM ET (US)
I think this would be an excellent choice. If I were re powering my 15 I would certainly consider Honda. I have two friends with them, one a 10 the other a 40 and they both swear they are the best yet. Good formula,,, Power to Weight to Cost, if all things were equal the Honda would get my vote.
Flipper posted 09-10-2001 11:10 PM ET (US)
I haven't heard anything bad about the Hondas, and Bigshot's right about the 13's
weight sensitivity. Being a flat bottom boat,
they tend to porpoise with larger engines, at
lower planing speeds (usually dealt with
by trimming the motor way 'under', which is
not the most efficient way to go, or the
driest, in the case of the 13).
browning20ga posted 09-11-2001 12:09 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the info!
Would there be a better choice of h.p. for a 13"er???
Thanks Darrell
Flipper posted 09-12-2001 10:28 PM ET (US)
Darrell
If you don't care so much about white-knuckle top-end speed,then go with the Honda.It's really a sweet running engine!
RSGAULT posted 09-14-2001 12:11 AM ET (US)
I am considering repowering my 1980 13' Sport with a 25hp Yamaha 4-stroke. I am in California and I am restricted to 4-strokes as that is all that is legal for sale in this state as far as new is concerned.
Does anyone have any experience with this combination? Yamaha is reported to be the lightest of the 4-stroke 25hp motors that I have found. Currently my boat is powered with a '80 Evinrude 35.
CarlRobert posted 09-14-2001 10:21 PM ET (US)
Darrell,
In regard to 4 strokes, the Merc. 30 is a detuned 40 hp...it's the same engine. The Honda 30 is the same as a Honda 25, only 499cc displacement. The Merc 30 has 747cc displacement-quite a bit more engine.
Additionally, the Honda 30 IS NOT available with power tilt and trim, an important feature with engines that size and weight. The Merc 30 is available with power tilt and trim.
I have a 2002 Merc 40 4S on my 62' 13. I have no problem with the weight and love the pt&t. I have no porpoising unless I am the only one in the boat and running at WOT (something I don't often do-too fast) and it is very slight.
The weight difference between the Honda 30 and the Merc 30 is less than 50lbs, in my opinion, not enough to affect the handing/safety of the boat.
I looked at Hondas, Mercs and Yamahas when I shopped for new motors. I think they are all good motors. I felt I got more "bang for my buck" with the Merc and am so far very pleased!
Carl R
browning20ga posted 09-15-2001 12:51 AM ET (US)
Very good points, I'm still studying the catalogs, will hit the boat shops this weekend.
Thanks, Darrell
Brent posted 09-20-2001 01:43 AM ET (US)
Carl R,
How did you deal with the lower transom on your 13 to fit that 40 Merc 4s. In your opinion does the 40 hp seem to be the best all round match for the 13.
geokeg posted 09-20-2001 07:23 AM ET (US)
I have a 2001 13 Sport with 2002 Merc 40 4Stroke. I love it! It is quiet, very efficient, and runs at 37.5 mph (gps) with 2 people in the boat. It also seems to be a very nice quiet trolling motor. All around an excellant set up!
Dr T posted 09-21-2001 06:22 PM ET (US)
Geokeg,
What prop are you using? And where do you use it?

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Author	Topic: Honda 30 h.p. on 13" Sport
browning20ga	posted 09-09-2001 11:13 PM ET (US) I'm thinking about re-powering my 13" Sport. I'm thinking about a Honda 30 h.p. but I've seen some negative talk here especially in the following thread: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000349.html I agree Hondas are more expensive but so are B.W. but that is why we are here, we are willing to pay a little more for the value and performance we get with a B.W. There is a lot of talk about Hondas being heavier than other 4-strokes: Honda 30hp. 157# w/remote control & elect start Yamaha 30hp. 198# w/same Mercury 30hp. 204# w/same Am I missing something here or is it just a price/name thing??? Does anyone have a Honda in the 25-40 h.p. range that has had a legitimate problem (or positive comments about) with their motor that I should be leery of? I use my boat about 50/50 in fresh/salt water. Very seldom see Mercury's in saltwater around here (northern CA) their considered a water-ski motor around here, mostly OMC, but I'm a little afraid of them right now (even though I love my old Evinrude). Any comments + or - will be appreciated. Thanks, Darrell
Bigshot	posted 09-10-2001 11:29 AM ET (US) Being 13's are pretty weight sensitive, that would be my deciding factor. If the Honda is the lightes by a decent margin, go with it. I would not want a 200+lb engine on the back if it was mine.
jameso	posted 09-10-2001 01:44 PM ET (US) I think this would be an excellent choice. If I were re powering my 15 I would certainly consider Honda. I have two friends with them, one a 10 the other a 40 and they both swear they are the best yet. Good formula,,, Power to Weight to Cost, if all things were equal the Honda would get my vote.
Flipper	posted 09-10-2001 11:10 PM ET (US) I haven't heard anything bad about the Hondas, and Bigshot's right about the 13's weight sensitivity. Being a flat bottom boat, they tend to porpoise with larger engines, at lower planing speeds (usually dealt with by trimming the motor way 'under', which is not the most efficient way to go, or the driest, in the case of the 13).
browning20ga	posted 09-11-2001 12:09 AM ET (US) Thanks for the info! Would there be a better choice of h.p. for a 13"er??? Thanks Darrell
Flipper	posted 09-12-2001 10:28 PM ET (US) Darrell If you don't care so much about white-knuckle top-end speed,then go with the Honda.It's really a sweet running engine!
RSGAULT	posted 09-14-2001 12:11 AM ET (US) I am considering repowering my 1980 13' Sport with a 25hp Yamaha 4-stroke. I am in California and I am restricted to 4-strokes as that is all that is legal for sale in this state as far as new is concerned. Does anyone have any experience with this combination? Yamaha is reported to be the lightest of the 4-stroke 25hp motors that I have found. Currently my boat is powered with a '80 Evinrude 35.
CarlRobert	posted 09-14-2001 10:21 PM ET (US) Darrell, In regard to 4 strokes, the Merc. 30 is a detuned 40 hp...it's the same engine. The Honda 30 is the same as a Honda 25, only 499cc displacement. The Merc 30 has 747cc displacement-quite a bit more engine. Additionally, the Honda 30 IS NOT available with power tilt and trim, an important feature with engines that size and weight. The Merc 30 is available with power tilt and trim. I have a 2002 Merc 40 4S on my 62' 13. I have no problem with the weight and love the pt&t. I have no porpoising unless I am the only one in the boat and running at WOT (something I don't often do-too fast) and it is very slight. The weight difference between the Honda 30 and the Merc 30 is less than 50lbs, in my opinion, not enough to affect the handing/safety of the boat. I looked at Hondas, Mercs and Yamahas when I shopped for new motors. I think they are all good motors. I felt I got more "bang for my buck" with the Merc and am so far very pleased! Carl R
browning20ga	posted 09-15-2001 12:51 AM ET (US) Very good points, I'm still studying the catalogs, will hit the boat shops this weekend. Thanks, Darrell
Brent	posted 09-20-2001 01:43 AM ET (US) Carl R, How did you deal with the lower transom on your 13 to fit that 40 Merc 4s. In your opinion does the 40 hp seem to be the best all round match for the 13.
geokeg	posted 09-20-2001 07:23 AM ET (US) I have a 2001 13 Sport with 2002 Merc 40 4Stroke. I love it! It is quiet, very efficient, and runs at 37.5 mph (gps) with 2 people in the boat. It also seems to be a very nice quiet trolling motor. All around an excellant set up!
Dr T	posted 09-21-2001 06:22 PM ET (US) Geokeg, What prop are you using? And where do you use it?