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Keith Silliman posted 06-24-2002 08:51 PM ET (US)
As an experiment, I trailed a line with a deep running Rapala lure in an Adirondack lake. Had the rod stuck in one of the RPS rod holders. Had the 75 HP Merc going as slow as it could go-- and caught the two biggest Smallmouth Bass of my life.
I think I want to add two clamp-on rod holders suitable for trolling. Something similar to the setup on the Montauk shown on Cetacea page 43.
Any ideas? What works best? Thanks.
masbama posted 06-24-2002 10:47 PM ET (US)
I mounted two Perko rail rod holders to the back of my side rails. Angled out and back they work just fine and look cool too! The RPS holders are mainly for transportation, not trolling.
Tom W Clark posted 06-25-2002 12:59 AM ET (US)
Keith,
I would recommend you get a pair of Lee's clamp on rod holders. These are the same rod holders that Boston Whaler sold for years as their factory option rod holder. They are simply the best with a price to match.
I have the original pair that I bought in 1986. They have been on several of my boats. They look as good as the day I bought them in spite of being used in almost nothing but salt water.
On a Montauk, I liked them mounted to the stern most intermediate stanchions of the side rails, but no the rail itself. This put them within reach of a fisherman sitting on the RPS facing backwards.
This position also allowed my mooring cover to fit without interference.
Fishing is different in different parts of the country and many different types of gear are used, but on my boats which are used primarily for salmon fishing in the Pacific Northwest, I had them pointed straight out and nearly horizontal, maybe 30° to the horizon. This allowed a maximum spread on two rods fished from these rod holders while keeping the rod tips out of the water but close to the surface.
This worked for me while mooching (a form of drift fishing) and trolling, with or without downriggers, as well as bucktailing or Coho in the ocean at speeds of up to 8 knots.
You will have absolutely no fear of the rods ever pulling out of these holders regardless of how they are oriented, the liners grip very well. Once clamped in place they DO NOT slip, period. The Perko ones are very nice too. Perko makes top-of-the-line hardware, but the Lee’s are a tad nicer and if you’re a purist like me, they “match” your Whaler a bit more too.
Keith Silliman posted 06-25-2002 05:59 AM ET (US)
Gentlemen:
Thank you for your responses. I love this Board. Ask a question at night; have the answer waiting for you in the morning.
I checked out both the Lee's and the Perko holders on the Web. The Perko are about half the cost (more importantly, they are available here in Albany, NY). I appreciate the information from both of you; it allowed me to make a reasoned comparison, rather than an uneducated guess.
Still can't get over the sound of the fish hitting that lure; haven't heard line flying off a reel like that since I used to surfcast for Bluefish.
JBCornwell posted 06-25-2002 08:32 AM ET (US)
Ahoy, Keith.
I have trolled from the RPS holders on my Sakonnet and my Montauks in both salt and fresh.
Many dorado and small tuna, couple of sails and a marlin. Zero problems, though one must do turns carefully.
Same with walleye, northern and muskies.
Also have homemade holders mounted to the side rail stanchions.
Recommend the Lee over the Perko. Well worth the price difference. Much stronger.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
dgp posted 06-25-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)
Keith, I believe the Lee clamp on rod holders that TWC is referring to are not shown on the Lee web site. I could only find them for sale at Shoreway Marine. At $60 each they are a bit pricey but built like the proverbial brick sh**house. I'm happy with mine and they look like they belong on a Montauk. I'd email you a photo but my boat's 500 miles away. Maybe TWC could provide same.
Barry posted 06-25-2002 03:22 PM ET (US)
Keith,
The Montauk on pg. 43 is mine. The rod holders are R-A-M Rod Holders with side mounts ($14.99) plus the rail adapter ($7.99). So only about $23 per holder. They're available at Bass Pro. The rod holders turn and lift out of the base so it's easy to remove them when I don't need them or want to cover the boat.
How big were the smallmouth? I just came back from a week fishing up in Canada. My 11 year old caught a 21" 4lb 3oz smallmouth. Largest smallmouth I've ever seen. Although I read that the record is around 9 lbs. My biggest (last year) was 3lb 8oz.
Good luck,
Barry
Keith Silliman posted 06-25-2002 07:23 PM ET (US)
Barry:
About 17-18" and 3-4 lbs (and growing). I need to keep a disposable camera on board. The lake is full of Smallmouth Bass, Yellow Perch and Northern Pike. I understand Northern are a real trash fish on the West Coast-- here they are sportfish (for a Lake).
Like the set-up on your boat. I couldn't find a similar thread on trolling, but knew I had seen your set-up somewhere. Thanks for the Reply.
Tom W Clark posted 06-26-2002 11:11 AM ET (US)
Be aware that Perko makes two different models of their clamp on rod holders. One is chrome plated brass like the Lee's and the other is chrome plated zinc and cost about $30. This is what West Marine sells
The zinc model may be OK for fresh water use but the chrome plated brass model is the better choice, but does not cost any less than the Lee's.
Keith Silliman posted 06-27-2002 05:50 AM ET (US)
Tom:
Thanks-- I had not caught the difference.
Must be because I am a Lakeboater. :)
Keith
Guts posted 06-27-2002 10:38 PM ET (US)
take a look at the rod holders (scotty) I have some. there are diffrent kinds and they mount on the rails on my montank17 and are S/S & plastic. I like them, hope this helps. lakes or ochen.

http://www.scotty.com/scotty_products.htm
Guts

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Author	Topic: Rod holders for trolling with a Montauk
Keith Silliman	posted 06-24-2002 08:51 PM ET (US) As an experiment, I trailed a line with a deep running Rapala lure in an Adirondack lake. Had the rod stuck in one of the RPS rod holders. Had the 75 HP Merc going as slow as it could go-- and caught the two biggest Smallmouth Bass of my life. I think I want to add two clamp-on rod holders suitable for trolling. Something similar to the setup on the Montauk shown on Cetacea page 43. Any ideas? What works best? Thanks.
masbama	posted 06-24-2002 10:47 PM ET (US) I mounted two Perko rail rod holders to the back of my side rails. Angled out and back they work just fine and look cool too! The RPS holders are mainly for transportation, not trolling.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-25-2002 12:59 AM ET (US) Keith, I would recommend you get a pair of Lee's clamp on rod holders. These are the same rod holders that Boston Whaler sold for years as their factory option rod holder. They are simply the best with a price to match. I have the original pair that I bought in 1986. They have been on several of my boats. They look as good as the day I bought them in spite of being used in almost nothing but salt water. On a Montauk, I liked them mounted to the stern most intermediate stanchions of the side rails, but no the rail itself. This put them within reach of a fisherman sitting on the RPS facing backwards. This position also allowed my mooring cover to fit without interference. Fishing is different in different parts of the country and many different types of gear are used, but on my boats which are used primarily for salmon fishing in the Pacific Northwest, I had them pointed straight out and nearly horizontal, maybe 30° to the horizon. This allowed a maximum spread on two rods fished from these rod holders while keeping the rod tips out of the water but close to the surface. This worked for me while mooching (a form of drift fishing) and trolling, with or without downriggers, as well as bucktailing or Coho in the ocean at speeds of up to 8 knots. You will have absolutely no fear of the rods ever pulling out of these holders regardless of how they are oriented, the liners grip very well. Once clamped in place they DO NOT slip, period. The Perko ones are very nice too. Perko makes top-of-the-line hardware, but the Lee’s are a tad nicer and if you’re a purist like me, they “match” your Whaler a bit more too.
Keith Silliman	posted 06-25-2002 05:59 AM ET (US) Gentlemen: Thank you for your responses. I love this Board. Ask a question at night; have the answer waiting for you in the morning. I checked out both the Lee's and the Perko holders on the Web. The Perko are about half the cost (more importantly, they are available here in Albany, NY). I appreciate the information from both of you; it allowed me to make a reasoned comparison, rather than an uneducated guess. Still can't get over the sound of the fish hitting that lure; haven't heard line flying off a reel like that since I used to surfcast for Bluefish.
JBCornwell	posted 06-25-2002 08:32 AM ET (US) Ahoy, Keith. I have trolled from the RPS holders on my Sakonnet and my Montauks in both salt and fresh. Many dorado and small tuna, couple of sails and a marlin. Zero problems, though one must do turns carefully. Same with walleye, northern and muskies. Also have homemade holders mounted to the side rail stanchions. Recommend the Lee over the Perko. Well worth the price difference. Much stronger. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
dgp	posted 06-25-2002 08:40 AM ET (US) Keith, I believe the Lee clamp on rod holders that TWC is referring to are not shown on the Lee web site. I could only find them for sale at Shoreway Marine. At $60 each they are a bit pricey but built like the proverbial brick sh**house. I'm happy with mine and they look like they belong on a Montauk. I'd email you a photo but my boat's 500 miles away. Maybe TWC could provide same.
Barry	posted 06-25-2002 03:22 PM ET (US) Keith, The Montauk on pg. 43 is mine. The rod holders are R-A-M Rod Holders with side mounts ($14.99) plus the rail adapter ($7.99). So only about $23 per holder. They're available at Bass Pro. The rod holders turn and lift out of the base so it's easy to remove them when I don't need them or want to cover the boat. How big were the smallmouth? I just came back from a week fishing up in Canada. My 11 year old caught a 21" 4lb 3oz smallmouth. Largest smallmouth I've ever seen. Although I read that the record is around 9 lbs. My biggest (last year) was 3lb 8oz. Good luck, Barry
Keith Silliman	posted 06-25-2002 07:23 PM ET (US) Barry: About 17-18" and 3-4 lbs (and growing). I need to keep a disposable camera on board. The lake is full of Smallmouth Bass, Yellow Perch and Northern Pike. I understand Northern are a real trash fish on the West Coast-- here they are sportfish (for a Lake). Like the set-up on your boat. I couldn't find a similar thread on trolling, but knew I had seen your set-up somewhere. Thanks for the Reply.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-26-2002 11:11 AM ET (US) Be aware that Perko makes two different models of their clamp on rod holders. One is chrome plated brass like the Lee's and the other is chrome plated zinc and cost about $30. This is what West Marine sells The zinc model may be OK for fresh water use but the chrome plated brass model is the better choice, but does not cost any less than the Lee's.
Keith Silliman	posted 06-27-2002 05:50 AM ET (US) Tom: Thanks-- I had not caught the difference. Must be because I am a Lakeboater. :) Keith
Guts	posted 06-27-2002 10:38 PM ET (US) take a look at the rod holders (scotty) I have some. there are diffrent kinds and they mount on the rails on my montank17 and are S/S & plastic. I like them, hope this helps. lakes or ochen. http://www.scotty.com/scotty_products.htm Guts