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GuyNole posted 07-22-2002 10:00 AM ET (US)
I have a Montauk and often have to drag kids around on a tube. Because the rope is at water lever on the tube and is mounted on the two transom eyelets, the rope drags in the water. Please give me ideas on possible solutions for this occasional use. Preferable ideas that don't involve cutting up my boat or cost a fortune.
JohnAz posted 07-22-2002 10:55 AM ET (US)
Install one of those new towers for skiing also mount a radar unit on it and rocket launchers and use it for fishing
Tom W Clark posted 07-22-2002 11:39 AM ET (US)
Don't install a tower, you'll flip the boat. But do buy and install a ski pylon like the Swivel-Eze pylon. It only requires a few bolts and screws and once the base plate is installed, it can be removed when not in use.
GuyNole posted 07-23-2002 08:52 AM ET (US)
Have you seen this installed on a Montauk?
David Ratusnik posted 08-02-2002 09:25 PM ET (US)
Guy-- I don't get it, the prob. My situation is I drag an 8, 14, and 18 y/o around on a tube. The olders slalom and wakeboard off a [Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22] using a bridle. No I don't elevate the rope off the transom but all works very well. You don't need to spend a bunch of money to drag kids in a tube. How much air do you want under them-- not much. The only real problem is with the wakeboarding- if the rope was high off the transom then the kids could get big air under them. Don't carve up your boat for tubing- the bridle is quite alright. If my 14 y/o gets competition ready I'll upgrade the rope height. .03 David
KleyP posted 08-03-2002 12:48 AM ET (US)
I installed a Swiveleze in my [1986] Montauk. It works great. I tow lots of kids on tubes, and previously had the same rope in the water problem. The other advantage is that you can easily grab the rope from the helm.
Now I am going to get grief from the purists here, but to install, I ordered extra-long bolts which I put through the hull on the side of the boat. This was necessary to get the correct angle and height. It isn't pretty, but it works great...function over form, I guess.
GuyNole posted 08-07-2002 10:40 PM ET (US)
Sounds like we don't have a solid idea here. The Montauk is much lower in the water and the eye hooks are very close to the water. That is why the [Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22] works with the bridle and my Montauk does not. Please, if anyone has a great solution to this problem, give it up.
scarlson posted 08-10-2002 06:02 PM ET (US)
Guynole,
Don't know what other uses you use the Montauk for. I use mine for fishing and years ago put in the rear casting deck and ski pylon I bought through Whaler, very expensive only reccomend if you fish, want live well, and rear casting chair. But it keeps the rope out of the water and my close to 300 pound freinds don't tear it out of the floor.
Tom W Clark posted 08-11-2002 12:53 PM ET (US)
A ski bridle works just fine on all the small Whalers including the Montauk. A water skier holds the rope up in the air while a tube will have the rope down at the water's surface. I don't see anything wrong with the tow rope being on the water's surface though.
A sky pylon is a step up for a serious slalom skier. The pull of the rope will be from a fixed point whereas a bridle only approximates a fixed point or focus. It is also more desirable to have the pull of the tow rope be more up in the air and less likely to drag in the water. The pull of the rope from a pylon will be in front of the engine which will jerk the boat around less and help it maintain a straight course better than a bridle. Again, this is really only a concern for a serious slalom skier
Ski pylons have been installed on many many Montauks. I used to ski quite a bit behind a friend’s Montauk which had a home made pylon that worked great thoug it did not look as nice as one like the Swivel-Eze product. The pylon also has the benefit of providing an extra hand hold in the stern if you're out bobbing around in rough water.
The Swivel-Eze pylon is also removable in a minute a two. This is handy for those times you do not want anything back there getting in the way. Installation is quite simple requiring only a drill, wrench and screw driver.
triblet posted 08-12-2002 11:52 PM ET (US)
There are two kinds of bridles. The simpler
ones have fixed length sides. The better
ones have a floating pulley that slides
from side to side. I had the first kind for
my Montauk, and the second kind is MUCH
better, It makes it much easier to turn
the boat. And a lot cheaper than a pylon.
Chuck
captndon posted 05-10-2009 02:28 PM ET (US)
Hi,
I have had a tow rig made for my classic montauk that requires NO Drilling into the hull.
Have a 90 Honda on the back and "troll" the boyz on wakeboards, 1 season so far with no issues.
Captndon
skislats posted 05-11-2009 09:54 AM ET (US)
With the tow rope low the angle makes it tougher on the skier to get up and tougher to get air. The thing that I dont like is how the bridle rope lays on my motor ('79 Montauk, 115 Evinrude Ficht) when turning. Functionally not an issue, just bugs me.
You guys that have these pylon solutions should post a picture....they're worth a thousand words I hear. Anyway, Id like to see them.
weekendwarrior posted 05-11-2009 01:11 PM ET (US)
I saw a fantastic Montauk setup last summer. They had a metal pole about 6' tall behind the driver. It went down to the deck and I didn't see how they contained the bottom of it, but they had metal cables to each of the 3 lifting loops in the boat up to near the top of the pole to give the pole stability. The ski rope attached to the top of the pole. I have been thinking about doing this myself because it looks so non-perminant and no butchering of the boat is required.
boater12 posted 05-11-2009 01:23 PM ET (US)
You really don't need a ski pylon to ski behind a Montauk. I never had any problem getting up (180 pounds), in fact it used only about 1/2 throttle to get going on a wakeboard. The key is your board technique - you just have to flatten out fast. Tubing should be no problem whatsoever.
For evidence, here is a picture from behind my old Montauk (1978 hull, 1981 Evinrude 115 HP, this is probably running about 35 mph and I can ski as low as 15): http://oceancrazy.shutterfly.com/92
boater12 posted 05-11-2009 01:24 PM ET (US)
The adjustable bridle is key and sometimes it will drag in the water tubing, but it isn't a big problem I'd say just deal with it - not an issue at all if wakeboarding or skiing.
rowmer1 posted 05-12-2009 10:02 AM ET (US)
Tubing from a ski pylon is a bad idea. I have seen pylons ripped from their mounts from the forces of tube that has "dug in". For the safety of you and your passengers use a bridle attached to the stern lifting eyes.
frb91864 posted 05-15-2009 09:23 PM ET (US)
I also agree that the tube on the ski pylon is a bad idea. Check this post out. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009408.html
Fritz

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Author	Topic: Montauk: Getting Tow Line Out of Water When Tubing
GuyNole	posted 07-22-2002 10:00 AM ET (US) I have a Montauk and often have to drag kids around on a tube. Because the rope is at water lever on the tube and is mounted on the two transom eyelets, the rope drags in the water. Please give me ideas on possible solutions for this occasional use. Preferable ideas that don't involve cutting up my boat or cost a fortune.
JohnAz	posted 07-22-2002 10:55 AM ET (US) Install one of those new towers for skiing also mount a radar unit on it and rocket launchers and use it for fishing
Tom W Clark	posted 07-22-2002 11:39 AM ET (US) Don't install a tower, you'll flip the boat. But do buy and install a ski pylon like the Swivel-Eze pylon. It only requires a few bolts and screws and once the base plate is installed, it can be removed when not in use.
GuyNole	posted 07-23-2002 08:52 AM ET (US) Have you seen this installed on a Montauk?
David Ratusnik	posted 08-02-2002 09:25 PM ET (US) Guy-- I don't get it, the prob. My situation is I drag an 8, 14, and 18 y/o around on a tube. The olders slalom and wakeboard off a [Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22] using a bridle. No I don't elevate the rope off the transom but all works very well. You don't need to spend a bunch of money to drag kids in a tube. How much air do you want under them-- not much. The only real problem is with the wakeboarding- if the rope was high off the transom then the kids could get big air under them. Don't carve up your boat for tubing- the bridle is quite alright. If my 14 y/o gets competition ready I'll upgrade the rope height. .03 David
KleyP	posted 08-03-2002 12:48 AM ET (US) I installed a Swiveleze in my [1986] Montauk. It works great. I tow lots of kids on tubes, and previously had the same rope in the water problem. The other advantage is that you can easily grab the rope from the helm. Now I am going to get grief from the purists here, but to install, I ordered extra-long bolts which I put through the hull on the side of the boat. This was necessary to get the correct angle and height. It isn't pretty, but it works great...function over form, I guess.
GuyNole	posted 08-07-2002 10:40 PM ET (US) Sounds like we don't have a solid idea here. The Montauk is much lower in the water and the eye hooks are very close to the water. That is why the [Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 22] works with the bridle and my Montauk does not. Please, if anyone has a great solution to this problem, give it up.
scarlson	posted 08-10-2002 06:02 PM ET (US) Guynole, Don't know what other uses you use the Montauk for. I use mine for fishing and years ago put in the rear casting deck and ski pylon I bought through Whaler, very expensive only reccomend if you fish, want live well, and rear casting chair. But it keeps the rope out of the water and my close to 300 pound freinds don't tear it out of the floor.
Tom W Clark	posted 08-11-2002 12:53 PM ET (US) A ski bridle works just fine on all the small Whalers including the Montauk. A water skier holds the rope up in the air while a tube will have the rope down at the water's surface. I don't see anything wrong with the tow rope being on the water's surface though. A sky pylon is a step up for a serious slalom skier. The pull of the rope will be from a fixed point whereas a bridle only approximates a fixed point or focus. It is also more desirable to have the pull of the tow rope be more up in the air and less likely to drag in the water. The pull of the rope from a pylon will be in front of the engine which will jerk the boat around less and help it maintain a straight course better than a bridle. Again, this is really only a concern for a serious slalom skier Ski pylons have been installed on many many Montauks. I used to ski quite a bit behind a friend’s Montauk which had a home made pylon that worked great thoug it did not look as nice as one like the Swivel-Eze product. The pylon also has the benefit of providing an extra hand hold in the stern if you're out bobbing around in rough water. The Swivel-Eze pylon is also removable in a minute a two. This is handy for those times you do not want anything back there getting in the way. Installation is quite simple requiring only a drill, wrench and screw driver.
triblet	posted 08-12-2002 11:52 PM ET (US) There are two kinds of bridles. The simpler ones have fixed length sides. The better ones have a floating pulley that slides from side to side. I had the first kind for my Montauk, and the second kind is MUCH better, It makes it much easier to turn the boat. And a lot cheaper than a pylon. Chuck
captndon	posted 05-10-2009 02:28 PM ET (US) Hi, I have had a tow rig made for my classic montauk that requires NO Drilling into the hull. Have a 90 Honda on the back and "troll" the boyz on wakeboards, 1 season so far with no issues. Captndon
skislats	posted 05-11-2009 09:54 AM ET (US) With the tow rope low the angle makes it tougher on the skier to get up and tougher to get air. The thing that I dont like is how the bridle rope lays on my motor ('79 Montauk, 115 Evinrude Ficht) when turning. Functionally not an issue, just bugs me. You guys that have these pylon solutions should post a picture....they're worth a thousand words I hear. Anyway, Id like to see them.
weekendwarrior	posted 05-11-2009 01:11 PM ET (US) I saw a fantastic Montauk setup last summer. They had a metal pole about 6' tall behind the driver. It went down to the deck and I didn't see how they contained the bottom of it, but they had metal cables to each of the 3 lifting loops in the boat up to near the top of the pole to give the pole stability. The ski rope attached to the top of the pole. I have been thinking about doing this myself because it looks so non-perminant and no butchering of the boat is required.
boater12	posted 05-11-2009 01:23 PM ET (US) You really don't need a ski pylon to ski behind a Montauk. I never had any problem getting up (180 pounds), in fact it used only about 1/2 throttle to get going on a wakeboard. The key is your board technique - you just have to flatten out fast. Tubing should be no problem whatsoever. For evidence, here is a picture from behind my old Montauk (1978 hull, 1981 Evinrude 115 HP, this is probably running about 35 mph and I can ski as low as 15): http://oceancrazy.shutterfly.com/92
boater12	posted 05-11-2009 01:24 PM ET (US) The adjustable bridle is key and sometimes it will drag in the water tubing, but it isn't a big problem I'd say just deal with it - not an issue at all if wakeboarding or skiing.
rowmer1	posted 05-12-2009 10:02 AM ET (US) Tubing from a ski pylon is a bad idea. I have seen pylons ripped from their mounts from the forces of tube that has "dug in". For the safety of you and your passengers use a bridle attached to the stern lifting eyes.
frb91864	posted 05-15-2009 09:23 PM ET (US) I also agree that the tube on the ski pylon is a bad idea. Check this post out. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/009408.html Fritz