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dreamer posted 02-26-2003 03:25 PM ET (US)
[I] just bought [a 1974 19-REVENGE] ,and I need [recommendations for repowering]. Honda BF130? Optimax 150-175. 4-cycle, FICHT?? Very confused after talking to dealers. They all have a reason to buy theirs and not the others. All opinions are welcome. Thank You.
Bigshot posted 02-26-2003 03:51 PM ET (US)
I had a 1974 19' Revenge and we repowered in 1981 with a 140hp Suzuki 2 stroke. She swung a 19" pitch stainless and ran about 42+mph. The 140 Zuki is a heavy 4cyl about 370lbs. The boat was still bow heavy, to the point she had little to no reverse if boat had ANY forward motion. With a 40 gallon belly tank, that 140 was about the max if ya wanted to do any offshore running. That boat is maxed at 170hp(twin 85's) and later changed to a 175hp max when 175's were actually invented in 1977. I would not want to run a V6 on that boat unless you want to carry a spare 40 gallon tank somewhere. The 135 Optimax or Ficht would be a viable option though. My full blown recommendation being we owned that boat for 14 years or so would be the 140hp Suzuki 4 stroke. She would be light at just over 400lbs and burn about 4-5gph at cruise and still get low 40's top end....what more could ya ask for. It is also a cheaper alternative to a V6(about $8k). Lastly is that boat needs a 20" shaft, not sure about availability of 20" V6's. If you want a cheaper alternative a 115hp would be plenty as well, we opriginally had a 1972 100hp and she would run about 34+.
rwill1 posted 02-26-2003 07:50 PM ET (US)
I had a 1976 19'5" Outrage in High School with an 1983 200 HP V6 Johnson. Guzzled gas, true, but was an absolute hoot to run.
Never really knew how fast she was, but throughly enjoyed the ability to pull 2 large slalom skiers up quickly, and dusting metalflake gofast boats with such a geeky looking rig.
Go for a big Opti or Ficht and have some fun! 4 strokes weigh too much, cost too much, and have marginal holeshot. I am sure the 4 stroke boosters around here will disagree.
jimh posted 02-26-2003 08:45 PM ET (US)
[Changed TOPIC; was "Indecision engine/BW Rev. '74 19'5". Edited article for clarity.]
dreamer posted 02-26-2003 11:54 PM ET (US)
Bigshot: Thank you for the input. I will look into the Suzuki 140. Do you have an opinion on the Honda BF130?
captbone posted 02-26-2003 11:58 PM ET (US)
Way too heavy! They are close to 500 lbs. I have run them on USCG boats are like them but they are still way to heavy. A 250 EFI Mercury is lighter. I would vote for the 140 johnson/suzuki= 140 johnzuki
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 12:05 AM ET (US)
rwill1: Thank you for your input. The boat I bought is a tired lady - I don't want to over power her. Getting to and from the fishing grounds at ~40mph plus or minus is plenty fast for me. Thanks again...
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 12:11 AM ET (US)
captbone: Thank you for your input. I will look into the Johnson/Suzuki 140. Thanks...
Bigshot posted 02-27-2003 09:39 AM ET (US)
Honda is 500lbs...no dice. Get the Zuki which is also made in white for Johnson. I can get good deals on Zukis in FL if interested.
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 11:34 AM ET (US)
Bigshot: The boat I just bought is in Fort Myers Florida. Due to be picked-up for delivery this week for transport. Maybe I can have the engine mounted there, If the price is better than what it costs in San Jose, Calif... I have a romance with BW Revenge "Banana boats" If you run accross any hulls for cheap, I'm interested.
petescoffee posted 02-27-2003 12:35 PM ET (US)
Dreamer-
I have had my 1975, 19 revenge for 25 years and am on my 3rd motor.
The first was 115 Merc. 2 stroke. Good fuel economy and enough power to pull up 1 skier up to 160 #'s without dragging a leg.
We then repowered with a Johnson GT 150 2 stroke. Lots of power, terrible fuel economy, not very reliable motor.
A few years ago we repowered with an Evinrude 115 Ficht. The motor gets terrific fuel economy and has been very reliable. I Do not know the top speed on the boat but I would guess 30-35 mph. Sufficient to go fishing but not a race boat. I bought the motor before Evinrude went away and fortunately bought the extended warranty from a independent company, although I have not had to use it yet.
My new Whaler, a 290 Outrage, being rigged right now, will have the 225 Mercury 4 strokes on it. I am told they get good fuel economy but do not have the get up and go of the 2 stroke. I am setting this boat up for long off shore runs fishing so I do not need to take off like a bat aout of hell any way.
Just a note on your Revenge, There is a fuel screen where the fuel line comes out of the tank. If it has not already been removed, remove it and put an inline fuel filter. The screen kept clogging on ours and causing fuel restriction. With the inline I could see when it was clogged and fix it. I eventually replaced the gas tank which got rid of the clogging problems.
Good luck with the boat. Mine has been great and we are keeping it eventhough we are getting a new one. Mine even survived getting hit by a barge while tied to a dock. The boat had to have some work to it but the dock was crushed and had to be totally replaced.
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 01:31 PM ET (US)
petescoffee: Really glad to hear theres somebody else out there that appreciates the elegance of the "banana boats" and not refer to them as geeky boats....
Bigshot posted 02-27-2003 02:44 PM ET (US)
I've used ugly and other such words....but NEVER geeky ;). The 21 had smoother lines than the 19 in my opinion but that windshield, although very sturdy and functional, was pretty ugly.
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 04:59 PM ET (US)
Bigshot:
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 05:01 PM ET (US)
one mans junk is....................
Bigshot posted 02-27-2003 05:16 PM ET (US)
I know....i had one for 14 years, does not make them look like a Donzi though :)
Let me know how things work out on that 140 Zuki.
dreamer posted 02-27-2003 11:30 PM ET (US)
Bigshot: Thanks for the lead.. I called him this morning. You were 100% on that one, he was well under!! I have to call him again tomorrow regarding warranty.
rwill1 posted 02-28-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)
I said geeky when I described my sleeper outrage. I said it in a teasing manner, parroting the mulleted, metalflake Checkmate owner who was just dusted by a Geek (Me) and his Whaler.
I find the early Outrages amd Revenges distinctive and timeless designs. No disrespect intended.
dreamer posted 03-08-2003 12:30 AM ET (US)
Thank you all for your input...

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dreamer	posted 02-26-2003 03:25 PM ET (US) [I] just bought [a 1974 19-REVENGE] ,and I need [recommendations for repowering]. Honda BF130? Optimax 150-175. 4-cycle, FICHT?? Very confused after talking to dealers. They all have a reason to buy theirs and not the others. All opinions are welcome. Thank You.
Bigshot	posted 02-26-2003 03:51 PM ET (US) I had a 1974 19' Revenge and we repowered in 1981 with a 140hp Suzuki 2 stroke. She swung a 19" pitch stainless and ran about 42+mph. The 140 Zuki is a heavy 4cyl about 370lbs. The boat was still bow heavy, to the point she had little to no reverse if boat had ANY forward motion. With a 40 gallon belly tank, that 140 was about the max if ya wanted to do any offshore running. That boat is maxed at 170hp(twin 85's) and later changed to a 175hp max when 175's were actually invented in 1977. I would not want to run a V6 on that boat unless you want to carry a spare 40 gallon tank somewhere. The 135 Optimax or Ficht would be a viable option though. My full blown recommendation being we owned that boat for 14 years or so would be the 140hp Suzuki 4 stroke. She would be light at just over 400lbs and burn about 4-5gph at cruise and still get low 40's top end....what more could ya ask for. It is also a cheaper alternative to a V6(about $8k). Lastly is that boat needs a 20" shaft, not sure about availability of 20" V6's. If you want a cheaper alternative a 115hp would be plenty as well, we opriginally had a 1972 100hp and she would run about 34+.
rwill1	posted 02-26-2003 07:50 PM ET (US) I had a 1976 19'5" Outrage in High School with an 1983 200 HP V6 Johnson. Guzzled gas, true, but was an absolute hoot to run. Never really knew how fast she was, but throughly enjoyed the ability to pull 2 large slalom skiers up quickly, and dusting metalflake gofast boats with such a geeky looking rig. Go for a big Opti or Ficht and have some fun! 4 strokes weigh too much, cost too much, and have marginal holeshot. I am sure the 4 stroke boosters around here will disagree.
jimh	posted 02-26-2003 08:45 PM ET (US) [Changed TOPIC; was "Indecision engine/BW Rev. '74 19'5". Edited article for clarity.]
dreamer	posted 02-26-2003 11:54 PM ET (US) Bigshot: Thank you for the input. I will look into the Suzuki 140. Do you have an opinion on the Honda BF130?
captbone	posted 02-26-2003 11:58 PM ET (US) Way too heavy! They are close to 500 lbs. I have run them on USCG boats are like them but they are still way to heavy. A 250 EFI Mercury is lighter. I would vote for the 140 johnson/suzuki= 140 johnzuki
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 12:05 AM ET (US) rwill1: Thank you for your input. The boat I bought is a tired lady - I don't want to over power her. Getting to and from the fishing grounds at ~40mph plus or minus is plenty fast for me. Thanks again...
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 12:11 AM ET (US) captbone: Thank you for your input. I will look into the Johnson/Suzuki 140. Thanks...
Bigshot	posted 02-27-2003 09:39 AM ET (US) Honda is 500lbs...no dice. Get the Zuki which is also made in white for Johnson. I can get good deals on Zukis in FL if interested.
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 11:34 AM ET (US) Bigshot: The boat I just bought is in Fort Myers Florida. Due to be picked-up for delivery this week for transport. Maybe I can have the engine mounted there, If the price is better than what it costs in San Jose, Calif... I have a romance with BW Revenge "Banana boats" If you run accross any hulls for cheap, I'm interested.
petescoffee	posted 02-27-2003 12:35 PM ET (US) Dreamer- I have had my 1975, 19 revenge for 25 years and am on my 3rd motor. The first was 115 Merc. 2 stroke. Good fuel economy and enough power to pull up 1 skier up to 160 #'s without dragging a leg. We then repowered with a Johnson GT 150 2 stroke. Lots of power, terrible fuel economy, not very reliable motor. A few years ago we repowered with an Evinrude 115 Ficht. The motor gets terrific fuel economy and has been very reliable. I Do not know the top speed on the boat but I would guess 30-35 mph. Sufficient to go fishing but not a race boat. I bought the motor before Evinrude went away and fortunately bought the extended warranty from a independent company, although I have not had to use it yet. My new Whaler, a 290 Outrage, being rigged right now, will have the 225 Mercury 4 strokes on it. I am told they get good fuel economy but do not have the get up and go of the 2 stroke. I am setting this boat up for long off shore runs fishing so I do not need to take off like a bat aout of hell any way. Just a note on your Revenge, There is a fuel screen where the fuel line comes out of the tank. If it has not already been removed, remove it and put an inline fuel filter. The screen kept clogging on ours and causing fuel restriction. With the inline I could see when it was clogged and fix it. I eventually replaced the gas tank which got rid of the clogging problems. Good luck with the boat. Mine has been great and we are keeping it eventhough we are getting a new one. Mine even survived getting hit by a barge while tied to a dock. The boat had to have some work to it but the dock was crushed and had to be totally replaced.
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 01:31 PM ET (US) petescoffee: Really glad to hear theres somebody else out there that appreciates the elegance of the "banana boats" and not refer to them as geeky boats....
Bigshot	posted 02-27-2003 02:44 PM ET (US) I've used ugly and other such words....but NEVER geeky ;). The 21 had smoother lines than the 19 in my opinion but that windshield, although very sturdy and functional, was pretty ugly.
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 04:59 PM ET (US) Bigshot:
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 05:01 PM ET (US) one mans junk is....................
Bigshot	posted 02-27-2003 05:16 PM ET (US) I know....i had one for 14 years, does not make them look like a Donzi though :) Let me know how things work out on that 140 Zuki.
dreamer	posted 02-27-2003 11:30 PM ET (US) Bigshot: Thanks for the lead.. I called him this morning. You were 100% on that one, he was well under!! I have to call him again tomorrow regarding warranty.
rwill1	posted 02-28-2003 10:36 AM ET (US) I said geeky when I described my sleeper outrage. I said it in a teasing manner, parroting the mulleted, metalflake Checkmate owner who was just dusted by a Geek (Me) and his Whaler. I find the early Outrages amd Revenges distinctive and timeless designs. No disrespect intended.
dreamer	posted 03-08-2003 12:30 AM ET (US) Thank you all for your input...