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4Runner posted 03-08-2003 06:24 PM ET (US)
Need some advice from more experienced members. Do you think Suzi DF140 is adequate for a 210 Outrage? I'm willing to give up the top end (mid 30's?) for better fuel economy at trolling speeds. I don't have to travel too far to fishing sites.
aubv posted 03-08-2003 07:25 PM ET (US)
I have a 17' OR that weighs 1700 lbs(boat) with a 130 hp engine. The boat, w/3 adults/ gas/gear, pops up on plane and runs 40+ mph top end. Your thinking about running a boat that weighs 1250 lb. more with only 10 more hp. Min hp requirement for the 210 OR is 135 hp. I personally don't need speed, but quick planning and power in reserve aren't options I'd want to forego.
captbone posted 03-08-2003 08:12 PM ET (US)
I personally dont think it will be enough and that you will not be happy. It will give you the mid 30s mph but getting on a plane with a heavy load will be hard. The engine life will not be as good and could be a handful offshore if wallow in a tough at just planing speed she could fall off a plane and be a pig. Even though it is only 10 more hp, I think that the 150 v6 made by anyone will give you much better performance. Those extra 2 cyl. mean alot on a boat this size. I would go with the 135 v6 merc before the 140 johnsuzi. But I would still perfer a 150+hp on a 22fter.
John Bocskay posted 03-08-2003 09:01 PM ET (US)
I agree with CAPTBONE, it's all about cylinders, those 2 cyl's will give you that extra punch, you won't be sorry..
JBCornwell posted 03-08-2003 09:20 PM ET (US)
About cylinders??? I don't agree.
I think it is about torque and rpm.
I agree that 140 is not enough horses for that boat. BW says that 135 is minimum.
I suggest that you look into a 200 Yammy or Honda 4 stroke V6.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
4Runner posted 03-08-2003 10:23 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for your feedback. It confirms my own doubts on the setup. I guess it's back to the dealer to see what kind of deal I can get with a Honda 200 or 225. Thanks again.
glenn
captbone posted 03-08-2003 10:32 PM ET (US)
I agree about the torque and for the most part more cylinders means more torque. A v6 135 hp will perform much better on a heavier boat then any v4 140 or I4 140 IMO.
Sal DiMercurio posted 03-08-2003 11:22 PM ET (US)
Rule of thumb, never go below 80% of the maximum recommended hp,.....you will be happier & so will your engine.
If you troll alot, you may concider a DFI FICHT engine.
200 hp uses 3/10 of 1 gallon of fuel per hour, thats 1/3 of a gallon.
Theres a brand new 2001 - 200 hp Evinrude [ dealer ] w/2 year warranty for $7,200 on the wmi board.
That engine gos for about $15,000
I can't stress enough how miserable you will be with a 140 4 stroke on that particular boat.
Good luck on whatever you get, but think about this,.....have you "EVER" heard anyone complain about having to much power ?
If you get a 200, you don't have to use all the ponies at one time.
Sal
captbone posted 03-08-2003 11:40 PM ET (US)
Also I would personally would stay away from those 200, 225 hondas. They are great motors but they are Very heavy. They are something like 600 pounds and that is alot. A 200 yamaha HPDI is a great engine and so is the 175hp fitch is another great light engine.
JBCornwell posted 03-09-2003 12:25 AM ET (US)
It is not the number of cylinders, Capt. Bone. It is cubic inches that make torque.
The typical V6 is quite a few more cubes than the 140 V4.
For example, compare the "90" hp, 70 cu. in. Yammy to the "90" hp 105 cu. in. OMC. The performance has nothing to do with the "extra" cylinder, it is the 35 extra cubes that make the difference.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
captbone posted 03-09-2003 12:39 AM ET (US)
Generally the v6 will have more CC's, I just did not want to get into the tech. side of things. For the most part more cylinders will always have more cc's and for the most part more low end grunt. This is for the most part there are exceptions but cylinders is a quick way to see this with out getting in depth. There was a big discussion of the 40 merc and 2 and 3 cylinder motors. The one for more power had the extra cylinder (more CC's).
JBCornwell posted 03-09-2003 08:34 AM ET (US)
I understand your point now, Capt. Bone.
Peace.
Red sky at night. . .
JB
rolfwoods posted 03-09-2003 10:03 PM ET (US)
Sal, What is the "wmi" reference? I might be interested in the 200 Evinrude for my OR V20. Thanks Rolf
jimh posted 03-09-2003 10:35 PM ET (US)
I would give some serious consideration to the 175-HP Hokey-Pokey engine. I hear it is a great one, lots of torque and great fuel economy.
Or try the 200-HP Wookie-Pookie, if you don't mind the extra weight.
Fellows, please, after I explicitely asked that these silly names for the manufacturers of outboard be avoided in order to allow for reasonable success is searching, this thread goes over the top. I don't think it contains a single instance of the engine makers' names being properly spelled.
As I said, the Humina-Humina 225 is a great engine...
captbone posted 03-09-2003 11:14 PM ET (US)
Your crazy, I said the full name for a yammy once in this thread, thats a big step in the right direction. It all cant be at once.
Sal DiMercurio posted 03-09-2003 11:19 PM ET (US)
www.wmi.org
If that wont get you in, try saltwater fishing boards.
Do you have AOL ?, if so, i can paste it on an e-mail & you just click on it.
Go to the boating page, you will see a post from someone to me with the price on the title.
Also the best board if you need help setting up your engine or prop help or just plain solving engine problems.
If you buy that engine over the internet, theres no tax.
Shipping isn't that bad as it's in Florida..
My e-mail is ....Whaler58@aol.com.
Sal
Sal DiMercurio posted 03-09-2003 11:29 PM ET (US)
Rolf, your "V" 20 is rated for either 175 or 180 hp.
The 2001 - 200 hp will push you [ should ] as my 200 pushs my "V" 20, over 60 mph with the right prop.
I'v experimented with almost every prop manufacturer, Stiletto came out on top, plus the lowest price.
It's a lifting prop & will make your boat really perform for $249 at Aftermarket,...think their web sit is afta.com,...if not heres their 800 number, give them a call & they will give you the correct web address.
1 800 349 2628
I think they changed their web address from aftermarket to just plain Afta.
Sal
Swellmonster posted 03-10-2003 09:19 AM ET (US)
Sal,
A lil off topic but whats the diff w/v-20 and a 98 20 outrage?
Sal DiMercurio posted 03-10-2003 08:05 PM ET (US)
The v 20s were made in the late 70s & early 80s.
Very little deadrise compared to the 98 - 20' outrage, pretty darn flat in fact, compared to the newer outrages.
But on the other hand, they fly because of the flatness, very fast boats [ v 20 ], if setup correctly.
Sal
boxers posted 03-20-2003 08:26 PM ET (US)
4runner,
We just put a 225 HP Yamaha on our 1998 OR-20. It replaces a Yamaha 200 HP carbed 2 stroke. The boat runs in the 40s (MPH) with either motor. The prop is a 19 pitch so the hole shot is good as well. I think 140 HP is too little power for your 210. Both boats weigh about the same so you could expect excellent performance from 200-225 HP motors. Just my 02 cents

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Author	Topic: 210 Outrage w/ Suzi DF140
4Runner	posted 03-08-2003 06:24 PM ET (US) Need some advice from more experienced members. Do you think Suzi DF140 is adequate for a 210 Outrage? I'm willing to give up the top end (mid 30's?) for better fuel economy at trolling speeds. I don't have to travel too far to fishing sites.
aubv	posted 03-08-2003 07:25 PM ET (US) I have a 17' OR that weighs 1700 lbs(boat) with a 130 hp engine. The boat, w/3 adults/ gas/gear, pops up on plane and runs 40+ mph top end. Your thinking about running a boat that weighs 1250 lb. more with only 10 more hp. Min hp requirement for the 210 OR is 135 hp. I personally don't need speed, but quick planning and power in reserve aren't options I'd want to forego.
captbone	posted 03-08-2003 08:12 PM ET (US) I personally dont think it will be enough and that you will not be happy. It will give you the mid 30s mph but getting on a plane with a heavy load will be hard. The engine life will not be as good and could be a handful offshore if wallow in a tough at just planing speed she could fall off a plane and be a pig. Even though it is only 10 more hp, I think that the 150 v6 made by anyone will give you much better performance. Those extra 2 cyl. mean alot on a boat this size. I would go with the 135 v6 merc before the 140 johnsuzi. But I would still perfer a 150+hp on a 22fter.
John Bocskay	posted 03-08-2003 09:01 PM ET (US) I agree with CAPTBONE, it's all about cylinders, those 2 cyl's will give you that extra punch, you won't be sorry..
JBCornwell	posted 03-08-2003 09:20 PM ET (US) About cylinders??? I don't agree. I think it is about torque and rpm. I agree that 140 is not enough horses for that boat. BW says that 135 is minimum. I suggest that you look into a 200 Yammy or Honda 4 stroke V6. Red sky at night. . . JB
4Runner	posted 03-08-2003 10:23 PM ET (US) Thanks everyone for your feedback. It confirms my own doubts on the setup. I guess it's back to the dealer to see what kind of deal I can get with a Honda 200 or 225. Thanks again. glenn
captbone	posted 03-08-2003 10:32 PM ET (US) I agree about the torque and for the most part more cylinders means more torque. A v6 135 hp will perform much better on a heavier boat then any v4 140 or I4 140 IMO.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 03-08-2003 11:22 PM ET (US) Rule of thumb, never go below 80% of the maximum recommended hp,.....you will be happier & so will your engine. If you troll alot, you may concider a DFI FICHT engine. 200 hp uses 3/10 of 1 gallon of fuel per hour, thats 1/3 of a gallon. Theres a brand new 2001 - 200 hp Evinrude [ dealer ] w/2 year warranty for $7,200 on the wmi board. That engine gos for about $15,000 I can't stress enough how miserable you will be with a 140 4 stroke on that particular boat. Good luck on whatever you get, but think about this,.....have you "EVER" heard anyone complain about having to much power ? If you get a 200, you don't have to use all the ponies at one time. Sal
captbone	posted 03-08-2003 11:40 PM ET (US) Also I would personally would stay away from those 200, 225 hondas. They are great motors but they are Very heavy. They are something like 600 pounds and that is alot. A 200 yamaha HPDI is a great engine and so is the 175hp fitch is another great light engine.
JBCornwell	posted 03-09-2003 12:25 AM ET (US) It is not the number of cylinders, Capt. Bone. It is cubic inches that make torque. The typical V6 is quite a few more cubes than the 140 V4. For example, compare the "90" hp, 70 cu. in. Yammy to the "90" hp 105 cu. in. OMC. The performance has nothing to do with the "extra" cylinder, it is the 35 extra cubes that make the difference. Red sky at night. . . JB
captbone	posted 03-09-2003 12:39 AM ET (US) Generally the v6 will have more CC's, I just did not want to get into the tech. side of things. For the most part more cylinders will always have more cc's and for the most part more low end grunt. This is for the most part there are exceptions but cylinders is a quick way to see this with out getting in depth. There was a big discussion of the 40 merc and 2 and 3 cylinder motors. The one for more power had the extra cylinder (more CC's).
JBCornwell	posted 03-09-2003 08:34 AM ET (US) I understand your point now, Capt. Bone. Peace. Red sky at night. . . JB
rolfwoods	posted 03-09-2003 10:03 PM ET (US) Sal, What is the "wmi" reference? I might be interested in the 200 Evinrude for my OR V20. Thanks Rolf
jimh	posted 03-09-2003 10:35 PM ET (US) I would give some serious consideration to the 175-HP Hokey-Pokey engine. I hear it is a great one, lots of torque and great fuel economy. Or try the 200-HP Wookie-Pookie, if you don't mind the extra weight. Fellows, please, after I explicitely asked that these silly names for the manufacturers of outboard be avoided in order to allow for reasonable success is searching, this thread goes over the top. I don't think it contains a single instance of the engine makers' names being properly spelled. As I said, the Humina-Humina 225 is a great engine...
captbone	posted 03-09-2003 11:14 PM ET (US) Your crazy, I said the full name for a yammy once in this thread, thats a big step in the right direction. It all cant be at once.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 03-09-2003 11:19 PM ET (US) www.wmi.org If that wont get you in, try saltwater fishing boards. Do you have AOL ?, if so, i can paste it on an e-mail & you just click on it. Go to the boating page, you will see a post from someone to me with the price on the title. Also the best board if you need help setting up your engine or prop help or just plain solving engine problems. If you buy that engine over the internet, theres no tax. Shipping isn't that bad as it's in Florida.. My e-mail is ....Whaler58@aol.com. Sal
Sal DiMercurio	posted 03-09-2003 11:29 PM ET (US) Rolf, your "V" 20 is rated for either 175 or 180 hp. The 2001 - 200 hp will push you [ should ] as my 200 pushs my "V" 20, over 60 mph with the right prop. I'v experimented with almost every prop manufacturer, Stiletto came out on top, plus the lowest price. It's a lifting prop & will make your boat really perform for $249 at Aftermarket,...think their web sit is afta.com,...if not heres their 800 number, give them a call & they will give you the correct web address. 1 800 349 2628 I think they changed their web address from aftermarket to just plain Afta. Sal
Swellmonster	posted 03-10-2003 09:19 AM ET (US) Sal, A lil off topic but whats the diff w/v-20 and a 98 20 outrage?
Sal DiMercurio	posted 03-10-2003 08:05 PM ET (US) The v 20s were made in the late 70s & early 80s. Very little deadrise compared to the 98 - 20' outrage, pretty darn flat in fact, compared to the newer outrages. But on the other hand, they fly because of the flatness, very fast boats [ v 20 ], if setup correctly. Sal
boxers	posted 03-20-2003 08:26 PM ET (US) 4runner, We just put a 225 HP Yamaha on our 1998 OR-20. It replaces a Yamaha 200 HP carbed 2 stroke. The boat runs in the 40s (MPH) with either motor. The prop is a 19 pitch so the hole shot is good as well. I think 140 HP is too little power for your 210. Both boats weigh about the same so you could expect excellent performance from 200-225 HP motors. Just my 02 cents