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akcabedo posted 04-04-2003 05:04 PM ET (US)
I need to replace a blown engine on my 1991 19' outrage II, It used to have a 2oo merc with I think a 23" shaft, The tramson seems to be about 25" was the original engine the wrong size, and what options do I have to replace the motor. I was considering a 115 merc long shaft but this apparantly is too short, Is a 150 merc the next size up that does an extra long shaft? I was told I could at worst cut down the transom. (seems a little drastic!!). Any advice / comments would be gratefully received. Also, any place I can find more info, brochures / specs for this boat?
lhg posted 04-04-2003 05:35 PM ET (US)
The 19' Outrage II came out as a 1992 model boat. See The Rendezvous section, North Channel 2000 article, for detailed info on the boat.
It needs a 25" Extra Long shaft engine. Because of the boat's weight, 150HP is recommended.
whalersman posted 04-04-2003 05:47 PM ET (US)
Do you have the Single or Full notched transom?
I have seen some 1992 models that have had the Full notched transom instead of the single.
At any rate, lhg is correct as usual. A single engine should have a shaft length of 25" and mounted one (or two) holes up. For twin engine installations on a Full transom, 20" shafts are recommended.
I believe the max rated HP for the 18/19 is 150 HP.
akcabedo posted 04-04-2003 05:55 PM ET (US)
thanks guys, it's been driving me nuts, I guess the last owner (who bought it new) was told a 20 in shaft was the right one. I have a single notch transom, trouble is I don`t know if the readys will run to a 150, will anything smaller fit? I thought a 125 merc? Can I cut down the transom or would that be a sacraledge,(can't spell tonight!) it seems so to me!
Thanks
Adrian
whalersman posted 04-04-2003 06:11 PM ET (US)
Adrian,
I definitely would not cut the transom... lhg and others here can tell you more about shaft lengths of other engines. All I really know is the Evinrude and Johnson's....
2 Strokes
Johnson 115 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available
Johnson 150 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available
Evinrude 115 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available
Evinrude 135 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available
Evinrude 150 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available
Now you have me curious as to what year boat you really have... Most, if not all 1991's came with the Full notched transom... You Metal tag on your boat should end with two numbers, 91 or 92 or 93. Can you tell us exactly what year this boat is from the Metal Tag numbers??
Please confirm the year of your boat....
Thanks,
Joe
akcabedo posted 04-04-2003 06:24 PM ET (US)
I'm not absolutely sure about the year, thats what the last owner told me, mind you, he also said the motor would be fine for years (lasted four months!). It's 2 in the morning here in Gibraltar, so I'll check the plate tomorrow morning and let you know on this post. I don't know enough about this boat or it's specs, other than what I've read in the excellent article in the rendevous section. All I know is that it's a superb boat.
Speak to you tomorrow
Adrian
lhg posted 04-04-2003 06:29 PM ET (US)
It definitely sounds like a 1992 Outrage II to me, probably with a late '91 mfg date.
If less HP is desired, Mercury makes the 2-stroke in-line-4 115 or 125HP engines in 25" shaft length. These have the 5" extension spacer factory installed. The 4-stroke 115 is also available in 25". All of these have the blue graphics, Saltwater version.
There is no reason to notch the transom, and a 20" engine will not work on this boat.
whalersman posted 04-04-2003 06:48 PM ET (US)
lhg,
We have run into a strange variation on the Outrage 19 Hulls built in 1992... We have a confirmed 1992 Outrage 19 (I) that was built in June of 1992 as a 1992 Outrage 19 (?). By all rights this boat should have the single notched transom as shown in the 1992 catalog along with the larger, hinged console... But, it does not have these.. It has the Full notched transom and the Standard Console.... Very Strange... See JoeH on this link:
www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html
lhg,
If you ever get the time, we could still use your Stenciled number from your Outrage 18 Hull just for reference... A5???
Adrian,
Another great source of information is Tom W. Clark's CD Catalog collection. You can order it here:
http://home.attbi.com/~tomwclark/whalercdrom.htm
Sal DiMercurio posted 04-04-2003 07:12 PM ET (US)
You never ever cut the transom, who ever told you that knows absolutly nothing about boats or engines.
My choice would be a 150 hp, the boat would be very happy with it & so would you.
I can't imagine anyone cutting the transom for any reason.
Sal
lhg posted 04-04-2003 07:13 PM ET (US)
Joe - Yes, I remember a Whaler dealer in FL telling me that on special order the Company would still make an "old" style 18 Outrage in 1992.
Evidently there was some resistance to the Reebock designed Outrage II model, and some still wanted the old one.
akcabedo posted 04-05-2003 11:15 AM ET (US)
OK, the only number I can find is on a metal plate on the outside of the transom, stb. side: 8036 C292, dosen't seem to correspond to anything! Unless it has something to do with it being for European consumption. It originally came from U.K. Any thoughts anyone?
Adrian
whalersman posted 04-05-2003 11:31 AM ET (US)
Adrian,
Those are the correct numbers... There are some other letters and numbers that are hard to read because they were Silk Screened on..
Your number should be:
BWC8036?C292
The C2 stands for the month and year manufactured.
March of 1992
The 92 stands for the year model.
1992
I do not know what your missing letter is between the 6 and the C..
Look at the rest of the Serial numbers here on this link and you will see that yours is in sequence.
www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html
Thanks for letting us know what year you have and that you have the Single notched transom. I would also guess that you have the larger Console that hinges forward.
lhg,
Thanks for the info.. I would never have thought of that.. I am always learning something here..

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Author	Topic: shaft length for 19' outrage II
akcabedo	posted 04-04-2003 05:04 PM ET (US) I need to replace a blown engine on my 1991 19' outrage II, It used to have a 2oo merc with I think a 23" shaft, The tramson seems to be about 25" was the original engine the wrong size, and what options do I have to replace the motor. I was considering a 115 merc long shaft but this apparantly is too short, Is a 150 merc the next size up that does an extra long shaft? I was told I could at worst cut down the transom. (seems a little drastic!!). Any advice / comments would be gratefully received. Also, any place I can find more info, brochures / specs for this boat?
lhg	posted 04-04-2003 05:35 PM ET (US) The 19' Outrage II came out as a 1992 model boat. See The Rendezvous section, North Channel 2000 article, for detailed info on the boat. It needs a 25" Extra Long shaft engine. Because of the boat's weight, 150HP is recommended.
whalersman	posted 04-04-2003 05:47 PM ET (US) Do you have the Single or Full notched transom? I have seen some 1992 models that have had the Full notched transom instead of the single. At any rate, lhg is correct as usual. A single engine should have a shaft length of 25" and mounted one (or two) holes up. For twin engine installations on a Full transom, 20" shafts are recommended. I believe the max rated HP for the 18/19 is 150 HP.
akcabedo	posted 04-04-2003 05:55 PM ET (US) thanks guys, it's been driving me nuts, I guess the last owner (who bought it new) was told a 20 in shaft was the right one. I have a single notch transom, trouble is I don`t know if the readys will run to a 150, will anything smaller fit? I thought a 125 merc? Can I cut down the transom or would that be a sacraledge,(can't spell tonight!) it seems so to me! Thanks Adrian
whalersman	posted 04-04-2003 06:11 PM ET (US) Adrian, I definitely would not cut the transom... lhg and others here can tell you more about shaft lengths of other engines. All I really know is the Evinrude and Johnson's.... 2 Strokes Johnson 115 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available Johnson 150 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available Evinrude 115 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available Evinrude 135 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available Evinrude 150 HP - 20" or 25" shaft available Now you have me curious as to what year boat you really have... Most, if not all 1991's came with the Full notched transom... You Metal tag on your boat should end with two numbers, 91 or 92 or 93. Can you tell us exactly what year this boat is from the Metal Tag numbers?? Please confirm the year of your boat.... Thanks, Joe
akcabedo	posted 04-04-2003 06:24 PM ET (US) I'm not absolutely sure about the year, thats what the last owner told me, mind you, he also said the motor would be fine for years (lasted four months!). It's 2 in the morning here in Gibraltar, so I'll check the plate tomorrow morning and let you know on this post. I don't know enough about this boat or it's specs, other than what I've read in the excellent article in the rendevous section. All I know is that it's a superb boat. Speak to you tomorrow Adrian
lhg	posted 04-04-2003 06:29 PM ET (US) It definitely sounds like a 1992 Outrage II to me, probably with a late '91 mfg date. If less HP is desired, Mercury makes the 2-stroke in-line-4 115 or 125HP engines in 25" shaft length. These have the 5" extension spacer factory installed. The 4-stroke 115 is also available in 25". All of these have the blue graphics, Saltwater version. There is no reason to notch the transom, and a 20" engine will not work on this boat.
whalersman	posted 04-04-2003 06:48 PM ET (US) lhg, We have run into a strange variation on the Outrage 19 Hulls built in 1992... We have a confirmed 1992 Outrage 19 (I) that was built in June of 1992 as a 1992 Outrage 19 (?). By all rights this boat should have the single notched transom as shown in the 1992 catalog along with the larger, hinged console... But, it does not have these.. It has the Full notched transom and the Standard Console.... Very Strange... See JoeH on this link: www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html lhg, If you ever get the time, we could still use your Stenciled number from your Outrage 18 Hull just for reference... A5??? Adrian, Another great source of information is Tom W. Clark's CD Catalog collection. You can order it here: http://home.attbi.com/~tomwclark/whalercdrom.htm
Sal DiMercurio	posted 04-04-2003 07:12 PM ET (US) You never ever cut the transom, who ever told you that knows absolutly nothing about boats or engines. My choice would be a 150 hp, the boat would be very happy with it & so would you. I can't imagine anyone cutting the transom for any reason. Sal
lhg	posted 04-04-2003 07:13 PM ET (US) Joe - Yes, I remember a Whaler dealer in FL telling me that on special order the Company would still make an "old" style 18 Outrage in 1992. Evidently there was some resistance to the Reebock designed Outrage II model, and some still wanted the old one.
akcabedo	posted 04-05-2003 11:15 AM ET (US) OK, the only number I can find is on a metal plate on the outside of the transom, stb. side: 8036 C292, dosen't seem to correspond to anything! Unless it has something to do with it being for European consumption. It originally came from U.K. Any thoughts anyone? Adrian
whalersman	posted 04-05-2003 11:31 AM ET (US) Adrian, Those are the correct numbers... There are some other letters and numbers that are hard to read because they were Silk Screened on.. Your number should be: BWC8036?C292 The C2 stands for the month and year manufactured. March of 1992 The 92 stands for the year model. 1992 I do not know what your missing letter is between the 6 and the C.. Look at the rest of the Serial numbers here on this link and you will see that yours is in sequence. www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html Thanks for letting us know what year you have and that you have the Single notched transom. I would also guess that you have the larger Console that hinges forward. lhg, Thanks for the info.. I would never have thought of that.. I am always learning something here..