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Perry posted 03-06-2004 12:34 AM ET (US)
I was reading a Kawasaki brochoure and their 130 DI jet ski has what they call FICHT direct fuel injection technology.
I thought the FICHT trademark was owned by Bombardier. Might there be a joint venture with Kawasaki? Maybe due to the fact that they do not produce outboards, they have an agreement.
rbruce posted 03-06-2004 11:26 PM ET (US)
FICHT is a German company that designed the direct fuel injection for OMC motors. A competitor of Orbital which designed the system for Mercury's Optimax. Therefore, FICHT is not a trademark of Bombardier.
It could be that Yamaha is using the FICHT design for their two stroke motors in an effort to make them more environmentally compatible.
Peter posted 03-07-2004 06:57 AM ET (US)
FICHT is a trademark owned by Bombardier. Kawasaki is either licensed to use the technology or Bombardier is supplying the injection components to Kawasaki. I suspect its the second arrangement.
Backfire posted 03-07-2004 12:34 PM ET (US)
When Bombardier bought OMC they also bought 100% of the Ficht company. Kawasaki licenced the technology from Ficht now owned by Bomb. The new E-TEC injection system has nothing to do with or parts from Ficht type injection. By 2005, all Evinrude models will be E-Tec, not just the 40, 50, 60, 75, and 90 that are part of the 2004 lineup. Yamaha never has or will have Ficht injection. E-TEC is the cleanest technology available, four strokes will have to have cat. coverters to get close to the 2010 EPA standards.
Backfire
Moe posted 03-07-2004 01:42 PM ET (US)
Do you have a reference link to those "2010" EPA standards?
I've been all over the EPA and CARB websites looking for standards beyond EPA 2006 (75% reduction - same as CARB "one-star" 2001) and CARB "three-star" (90% reduction - 2006 under 150HP, 2008 over 150HP), and have found none (besides CARB "four-star" 2009 which only applies to inboards and stern-drives).
If there IS an EPA 2010 requirement, I'd expect it to be no more stringent than CARB 2008, since in recent years, EPA standards have been following CARB by about two years.
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Moe
Backfire posted 03-08-2004 12:26 AM ET (US)
The 2010 deal is not yet final and may never be, but they seldom pass up a chance to raise the cost of engines. I believe it is the reduction of C O that tough for 4 strokes.
I think I saw something about it in one of these links. I'll look some more places.
Backfire
http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/1996/October/Day-04/pr-23721DIR/pr-23721.txt.html
http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2002/August/Day-14/a19437.htm
http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1996/February/Day-07/pr-1356.html

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Author	Topic: FICHT technology
Perry	posted 03-06-2004 12:34 AM ET (US) I was reading a Kawasaki brochoure and their 130 DI jet ski has what they call FICHT direct fuel injection technology. I thought the FICHT trademark was owned by Bombardier. Might there be a joint venture with Kawasaki? Maybe due to the fact that they do not produce outboards, they have an agreement.
rbruce	posted 03-06-2004 11:26 PM ET (US) FICHT is a German company that designed the direct fuel injection for OMC motors. A competitor of Orbital which designed the system for Mercury's Optimax. Therefore, FICHT is not a trademark of Bombardier. It could be that Yamaha is using the FICHT design for their two stroke motors in an effort to make them more environmentally compatible.
Peter	posted 03-07-2004 06:57 AM ET (US) FICHT is a trademark owned by Bombardier. Kawasaki is either licensed to use the technology or Bombardier is supplying the injection components to Kawasaki. I suspect its the second arrangement.
Backfire	posted 03-07-2004 12:34 PM ET (US) When Bombardier bought OMC they also bought 100% of the Ficht company. Kawasaki licenced the technology from Ficht now owned by Bomb. The new E-TEC injection system has nothing to do with or parts from Ficht type injection. By 2005, all Evinrude models will be E-Tec, not just the 40, 50, 60, 75, and 90 that are part of the 2004 lineup. Yamaha never has or will have Ficht injection. E-TEC is the cleanest technology available, four strokes will have to have cat. coverters to get close to the 2010 EPA standards. Backfire
Moe	posted 03-07-2004 01:42 PM ET (US) Do you have a reference link to those "2010" EPA standards? I've been all over the EPA and CARB websites looking for standards beyond EPA 2006 (75% reduction - same as CARB "one-star" 2001) and CARB "three-star" (90% reduction - 2006 under 150HP, 2008 over 150HP), and have found none (besides CARB "four-star" 2009 which only applies to inboards and stern-drives). If there IS an EPA 2010 requirement, I'd expect it to be no more stringent than CARB 2008, since in recent years, EPA standards have been following CARB by about two years. -- Moe
Backfire	posted 03-08-2004 12:26 AM ET (US) The 2010 deal is not yet final and may never be, but they seldom pass up a chance to raise the cost of engines. I believe it is the reduction of C O that tough for 4 strokes. I think I saw something about it in one of these links. I'll look some more places. Backfire http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/1996/October/Day-04/pr-23721DIR/pr-23721.txt.html http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-AIR/2002/August/Day-14/a19437.htm http://www.epa.gov/EPA-AIR/1996/February/Day-07/pr-1356.html