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NEWBIE2 posted 07-08-2004 09:19 PM ET (US)
Hope you can help? I have a chance to buy a 1990 Outrage with a 115 Johnson. Some have said this is under powered.
Is this enough power, or should it have a 150?
Thanks NEWBIE!!
Buckda posted 07-08-2004 09:45 PM ET (US)
The only true answer can be found by you. Ask to sea trial the boat and bring along four buddies. Load the boat up, and let her rip...see what you think.
Be sure to run her at all speeds and also with just you and the owner in the boat.
I've never been in an Outrage 19 with 115 HP...but I've been in one with 150 HP with four people aboard...and she handled fine.
My Outrage 18' has a 150 on it. With five guys aboard and loaded with camping gear, it was tough to plane, but once up on plane, she ran fine. I would have serious doubts about the ability of a lesser HP motor under those conditions.
I have been aboard an Outrage 18' with a 130 hp which seemed adequate.
It really depends on your uses. there are members of this forum who have 60 and 70 hp motors on their Montauks, and are very happy with the performance. Others here will accept nothing less than 100 HP on their Montauk.
If you're not a speed demon, and don't need to carry lots of gear or people aboard, and are satisfied with the sea trial, you should be fine....but it's always up to you.
Personally, I'd want the 150 HP as it is a heavier hull than the Outrage 18'.
Dave
Bigshot posted 07-09-2004 11:07 AM ET (US)
If you are happy with 40+ instead of 47+ and burn about 2/3's the gas of a 150, go for it....I would if the boat was right. You can(and weventually will) repower with more juice if you so desire sometime down the road.
NEWBIE2 posted 07-09-2004 02:20 PM ET (US)
Thank you for the replies! I took the boat out this morning and noticed that at midrange rpms it did maintain speed well without ajgusting throttle alot. It seemed that it could use a little more power.
NEWBIE2 posted 07-09-2004 02:39 PM ET (US)
Meant to say, "did not maitain speed well".
ewalsh posted 07-10-2004 10:20 PM ET (US)
I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph.
I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty.
Go for it!
ewalsh posted 07-10-2004 10:21 PM ET (US)
I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph.
I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty.
Go for it!
ewalsh posted 07-10-2004 10:21 PM ET (US)
I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph.
I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty.
Go for it!
NEWBIE2 posted 07-12-2004 09:29 PM ET (US)
ewalsh:
Maybe it is a Johnson vs Yamaha, but I could feel hesitation at lower rpms to midrange RPMs. Maybe the wrong prop etc. I am not that familiar with props to know.
MyOutrage posted 07-12-2004 10:14 PM ET (US)
I also have an older Outrage... '89 vintage with a 130 Yamaha. While I've only had it on the water for 2 weeks I'm very happy with it's performance. Over the weekend I had 4 adults (large adults) and one child in the boat... it accelerated very quickly. I couldn't run it at WOT since I'm boating on Long Island Sound and the conditions wouldn't permit... Can't help you on whether there's a difference between Johnson and Yamaha.
prj posted 07-13-2004 09:54 AM ET (US)
Minor correction to Dave's final line in his post.
That 1990 Outrage - 19' is the same boat and weight
as it's predecessor 18' Outrages, simply rebadged
to accomodate the 18'-6" LOA.
I believe in either 1991 or 1992,
Whaler added the liner, revised the RPS and the console
and held onto the Outrage - 19' label.
For the record, I have a 1990 19' with a same year Yamaha 130.
Lightly loaded, with just me aboard and a 13x19 stainless steel prop,
I've gotten to 46 mph on the integral pitot tube speedo
with digital guages.
I'll verify soon with gps, expect it may lose a mile or two.
Buckda posted 07-13-2004 10:24 AM ET (US)
prj -
A piece of Whaler trivia that I didn't know! You're right..the only 19 Outrage I have been on is a 1992 model, with the revised liner and heavier weight.
Dave
elaelap posted 07-13-2004 03:58 PM ET (US)
Yeah, Dave, 'classic' OR 19 IIs are heavier and have a bigger tank, I think, but the 1990 OR 19 is just another name for the earlier OR 18s--same dimensions with the same 63 gallon tank.
I get an honest, consistent 40-41 mph/GPS at 5800 rpm WOT in my '88 OR 18 with a Yamaha 115 4/s mounted up one hole, running with half a tank of gas on a calm lake with just me on board. If/when I ever tweak with the prop a little and get up to 6000 rpm, I'd guess I'll hit maybe 43 mph.
Much more important for me than top end on a calm lake is performance and economy at sea. My motor and boat combination hits a real sweet spot at about 3500 rpm/21-23 mph and just seems to glide along, smooth and quiet. 3500-4500 rpm is a great range for cruising, and in a breezy harbor day-before-yesterday I opened it up to 5000 rpm for a stretch and hit 30 knots on the GPS...what is that, about 33-34 mph? For my uses, a four stroke 115 is plenty.
Tony
pineapplepig posted 07-13-2004 05:58 PM ET (US)
I have a 19 with a 175 Ficht, 25 over the limit. Before it was engined with a 150. If I was respecing the boat I would take the 175 as it is the same weight as the 150 for little extra $. In my experience a 115 won't pull the skin off a custard with 4 on board and furthermore it gives you the ability not to labour the motor when cruising in these conditions!
ewalsh posted 07-13-2004 07:52 PM ET (US)
Pineapple,
Your opinion is at odds with the others in this thread who are more than pleased with their 115's. Have you been out on an Outrage 18/19 with a healthy 115?
For the record, just recently my 1990 Outrage 19 with 115 Yamaha 2S yanked me (220lbs) out of the water on a slalom ski, and later ran neck to neck with my Dad's Montauk with a Johnson 100GT. But, to each his own....
BTW, is a boat really overpowered if the engine doesn't run? :-)
NEWBIE2 posted 07-13-2004 10:44 PM ET (US)
My question was not how well boat/motor combination will pull a heavy man on skis, but how the motor performed at lower RPM. The boat with the 115 felt slugish at lower RPM. WOT was no problem, But then who goes WOT in the big briny in an Outrage.
ratherwhalering posted 07-14-2004 02:41 AM ET (US)
I just went fishing with Tony (elapse) and I gotta tell you, his Yamaha 115hp four stroke made me a believer. At first, I thought it might be a bit underpowered, but after first-hand experience, I've changed my tune. Holeshot was excellent, and it clipped right along at 3500 RPM. O.K., if you had 6 dudes in the boat, and a full tank of gas, flat water, and 20 miles to your favorite fishing ground, then you might notice the difference. Don't get me wrong, I've also been fortunate enough to cop a ride in mfrymyer's Outrage-18 with a 150 black max...it has some SERIOUS power, and speed to boot. It is absolutly a thrill ride, but really, how ofter do you get to go full speed? I think it comes down to how you use the boat.
Its funny, because I went through this same kind of debate when deciding between a 2-stroke 90hp and a 4-stroke 70hp for my Montuak. If I had fuel economy and ocean swells in mind, I would have bought the 70hp, but the truth is that I only go out into serious chop about 20 percent of the time, so I opted for the higher horsepower for top end, "thrill ride" performance. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that maxing out your horsepower rating is not always necessary, and it really depends on what you are using the boat for.
BTW we limited out on Salmon. Yum.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 19 power
NEWBIE2	posted 07-08-2004 09:19 PM ET (US) Hope you can help? I have a chance to buy a 1990 Outrage with a 115 Johnson. Some have said this is under powered. Is this enough power, or should it have a 150? Thanks NEWBIE!!
Buckda	posted 07-08-2004 09:45 PM ET (US) The only true answer can be found by you. Ask to sea trial the boat and bring along four buddies. Load the boat up, and let her rip...see what you think. Be sure to run her at all speeds and also with just you and the owner in the boat. I've never been in an Outrage 19 with 115 HP...but I've been in one with 150 HP with four people aboard...and she handled fine. My Outrage 18' has a 150 on it. With five guys aboard and loaded with camping gear, it was tough to plane, but once up on plane, she ran fine. I would have serious doubts about the ability of a lesser HP motor under those conditions. I have been aboard an Outrage 18' with a 130 hp which seemed adequate. It really depends on your uses. there are members of this forum who have 60 and 70 hp motors on their Montauks, and are very happy with the performance. Others here will accept nothing less than 100 HP on their Montauk. If you're not a speed demon, and don't need to carry lots of gear or people aboard, and are satisfied with the sea trial, you should be fine....but it's always up to you. Personally, I'd want the 150 HP as it is a heavier hull than the Outrage 18'. Dave
Bigshot	posted 07-09-2004 11:07 AM ET (US) If you are happy with 40+ instead of 47+ and burn about 2/3's the gas of a 150, go for it....I would if the boat was right. You can(and weventually will) repower with more juice if you so desire sometime down the road.
NEWBIE2	posted 07-09-2004 02:20 PM ET (US) Thank you for the replies! I took the boat out this morning and noticed that at midrange rpms it did maintain speed well without ajgusting throttle alot. It seemed that it could use a little more power.
NEWBIE2	posted 07-09-2004 02:39 PM ET (US) Meant to say, "did not maitain speed well".
ewalsh	posted 07-10-2004 10:20 PM ET (US) I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph. I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty. Go for it!
ewalsh	posted 07-10-2004 10:21 PM ET (US) I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph. I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty. Go for it!
ewalsh	posted 07-10-2004 10:21 PM ET (US) I have a 1990 Outrage 19 with a Newer Yamaha 115. The boat has a T-top and will hit 43 mph per the Yamaha speed gauge. The engine is set back 6" on a jack plate and the cavitation plate is about 2" above the keel. I just had 7 big adults in it with about 40 gallons of fuel and she jumped out of the water to a max of 38 mph. I think the 115 is "the" perfect motor for this hull. I have plenty of time in Outrage 18's with 150hp engines. They get maybe another 2-4 mph and are more thirsty. Go for it!
NEWBIE2	posted 07-12-2004 09:29 PM ET (US) ewalsh: Maybe it is a Johnson vs Yamaha, but I could feel hesitation at lower rpms to midrange RPMs. Maybe the wrong prop etc. I am not that familiar with props to know.
MyOutrage	posted 07-12-2004 10:14 PM ET (US) I also have an older Outrage... '89 vintage with a 130 Yamaha. While I've only had it on the water for 2 weeks I'm very happy with it's performance. Over the weekend I had 4 adults (large adults) and one child in the boat... it accelerated very quickly. I couldn't run it at WOT since I'm boating on Long Island Sound and the conditions wouldn't permit... Can't help you on whether there's a difference between Johnson and Yamaha.
prj	posted 07-13-2004 09:54 AM ET (US) Minor correction to Dave's final line in his post. That 1990 Outrage - 19' is the same boat and weight as it's predecessor 18' Outrages, simply rebadged to accomodate the 18'-6" LOA. I believe in either 1991 or 1992, Whaler added the liner, revised the RPS and the console and held onto the Outrage - 19' label. For the record, I have a 1990 19' with a same year Yamaha 130. Lightly loaded, with just me aboard and a 13x19 stainless steel prop, I've gotten to 46 mph on the integral pitot tube speedo with digital guages. I'll verify soon with gps, expect it may lose a mile or two.
Buckda	posted 07-13-2004 10:24 AM ET (US) prj - A piece of Whaler trivia that I didn't know! You're right..the only 19 Outrage I have been on is a 1992 model, with the revised liner and heavier weight. Dave
elaelap	posted 07-13-2004 03:58 PM ET (US) Yeah, Dave, 'classic' OR 19 IIs are heavier and have a bigger tank, I think, but the 1990 OR 19 is just another name for the earlier OR 18s--same dimensions with the same 63 gallon tank. I get an honest, consistent 40-41 mph/GPS at 5800 rpm WOT in my '88 OR 18 with a Yamaha 115 4/s mounted up one hole, running with half a tank of gas on a calm lake with just me on board. If/when I ever tweak with the prop a little and get up to 6000 rpm, I'd guess I'll hit maybe 43 mph. Much more important for me than top end on a calm lake is performance and economy at sea. My motor and boat combination hits a real sweet spot at about 3500 rpm/21-23 mph and just seems to glide along, smooth and quiet. 3500-4500 rpm is a great range for cruising, and in a breezy harbor day-before-yesterday I opened it up to 5000 rpm for a stretch and hit 30 knots on the GPS...what is that, about 33-34 mph? For my uses, a four stroke 115 is plenty. Tony
pineapplepig	posted 07-13-2004 05:58 PM ET (US) I have a 19 with a 175 Ficht, 25 over the limit. Before it was engined with a 150. If I was respecing the boat I would take the 175 as it is the same weight as the 150 for little extra $. In my experience a 115 won't pull the skin off a custard with 4 on board and furthermore it gives you the ability not to labour the motor when cruising in these conditions!
ewalsh	posted 07-13-2004 07:52 PM ET (US) Pineapple, Your opinion is at odds with the others in this thread who are more than pleased with their 115's. Have you been out on an Outrage 18/19 with a healthy 115? For the record, just recently my 1990 Outrage 19 with 115 Yamaha 2S yanked me (220lbs) out of the water on a slalom ski, and later ran neck to neck with my Dad's Montauk with a Johnson 100GT. But, to each his own.... BTW, is a boat really overpowered if the engine doesn't run? :-)
NEWBIE2	posted 07-13-2004 10:44 PM ET (US) My question was not how well boat/motor combination will pull a heavy man on skis, but how the motor performed at lower RPM. The boat with the 115 felt slugish at lower RPM. WOT was no problem, But then who goes WOT in the big briny in an Outrage.
ratherwhalering	posted 07-14-2004 02:41 AM ET (US) I just went fishing with Tony (elapse) and I gotta tell you, his Yamaha 115hp four stroke made me a believer. At first, I thought it might be a bit underpowered, but after first-hand experience, I've changed my tune. Holeshot was excellent, and it clipped right along at 3500 RPM. O.K., if you had 6 dudes in the boat, and a full tank of gas, flat water, and 20 miles to your favorite fishing ground, then you might notice the difference. Don't get me wrong, I've also been fortunate enough to cop a ride in mfrymyer's Outrage-18 with a 150 black max...it has some SERIOUS power, and speed to boot. It is absolutly a thrill ride, but really, how ofter do you get to go full speed? I think it comes down to how you use the boat. Its funny, because I went through this same kind of debate when deciding between a 2-stroke 90hp and a 4-stroke 70hp for my Montuak. If I had fuel economy and ocean swells in mind, I would have bought the 70hp, but the truth is that I only go out into serious chop about 20 percent of the time, so I opted for the higher horsepower for top end, "thrill ride" performance. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that maxing out your horsepower rating is not always necessary, and it really depends on what you are using the boat for. BTW we limited out on Salmon. Yum.