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cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 10:23 AM ET (US)
I have an 11' sport with a 9.9hp Yamaha. It is a 1977 hull. There is a similar year one next to me with a 25 Johnson. When we pull the plugs on both boats, the one next to me only draws in an inch or so of water. Mine fills to about 2.5". My motor is lighter. Is this a sign of a problem? There are no repairs done to this boat. Should I drill holes in the stern and see if it is water logged. Most posts on this site say this is unlikely.
Any help please.
panther posted 10-01-2004 11:08 AM ET (US)
Your boat is waterlogged. End of story.
John O posted 10-01-2004 11:48 AM ET (US)
Sean,
Panther may be a bit premature in his response. If you can weigh the hull on a truck scale do so and post the results. There is a possibility of water in the hull, but if there has never been any major damage it is unlikely.
I drilled several holes in my whaler (Don Cahill's old one) and got a few drips. The boat performs the way it should so I am done worrying. I did sand and paint the bottom and barrier coat the transom area below the water line with West System to ensure that water stays out. Take a good look at the bottom of the hull when the boat is pulled this fall or in the spring to see if there are any blisters or drips. You do need a good hot day with sun.
Good luck,
John
cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 12:17 PM ET (US)
I should find a place and weight the boat. There is also substantial growth on the bottom. This might be the biggest culprit. The more I read on this site, the more I do not believe that it is water-logged.
Panther, you sound a little over reactive. Do you have first hand knowledge? I appears that everyone who "drilled holes" and thought they had problems never really materialized.
Also, I paid a low price for boat motor and trailer. I would think that it is still a fantastic dighy one way or another. PS My main boat is a 23 Regulator. Any whaler over 18' is disappointing. The style changes every other year. The 21 Whaler (1995 Outrage) is stern heavy and rides horrible. Can they just build a 24degree deadrise, sold center console with clean/classic looks (Ex. Seacraft 23, Silver hawk, Regulator) They are trying to be all things to everyone - family fisherman cruiser. I am happy to see a decent 11' Whaler in their line-up again.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 10-01-2004 12:26 PM ET (US)
"Also, I paid a low price for boat motor and trailer. I would think that it is still a fantastic dighy one way or another. PS My main boat is a 23 Regulator. Any whaler over 18' is disappointing. The style changes every other year. The 21 Whaler (1995 Outrage) is stern heavy and rides horrible. Can they just build a 24degree deadrise, sold center console with clean/classic looks (Ex. Seacraft 23, Silver hawk, Regulator) They are trying to be all things to everyone - family fisherman cruiser. I am happy to see a decent 11' Whaler in their line-up again"

Whats the problem with style changes, most boat vendors initiate style changes frequently. maybe Regulator can't afford any new molds, or maybe they like selling plain vanilla or maybe their customers are blinded by that 24 degree deadrise, who knows. Seacraft had such great looks they went belly up but for the Bass guys,Oh, Silver hawk a VERY POPULAR model, never heard of em'.
Pray your bracket doesnt rust!
cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 01:08 PM ET (US)
Style changes every other year mean "flaws". Most boat manufacturers will introduce different models between existing quality hulls. The boat business does not need to be similar to the car business with new models every 3-4 years. Whaler did it right when they were in MA. Good classic designs for over 30 years.
The new 20-28 whalers are bad. Weighted wrong, ugly modern looks, T-tops poorly designed, etc. If I have $50-$70K available for a 25 boat, Whaler would be far down the list.
1st - Regulator 23'
2nd - Seacraft 23'
3rd - Silver Hawk 24'

Whaler could duplicate one of these boats, lose the mercs for Yamaha, and be an unbelieveble product line in this catagory. Sorry mid-range whaler fans.
PS Do not get me started on the Defiance Models (Over 28')
LHG posted 10-01-2004 01:28 PM ET (US)
We have panther talking to himself again. Didn't I read somehwere on the world wide web, can't seem to remember where or which website, that Regulator, panther's favorite troll, was in bankruptcy? My memory is starting to fail.
Can't believe anything you read on the web these days.
cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 02:00 PM ET (US)
Regualtor Marine is not in bankruptsy. They were just voted best business in NC. The owners just came back from the White House with George Bush. This company has minimal size boats and has a backlog of orders. Just try ordering one. Here is the recent press release. Lets get the facts corect people! This is the best riding 23' boat on the market. I have been on all major lines of 23' ters.
Press Release:
Edenton, NC - Regulator Marine Inc. founders Joan and Owen Maxwell, along with two new employees, were invited to meet with President George W. Bush at the White House as part of an economic event held July 2, 2004. Regulator was one of four companies selected from across the country to meet with the president and to be part of a major televised press event that spotlighted recent small business success stories.
Regulator received a call from a presidential staff member on June 30 who invited the Maxwells to meet with the president. The invitation was confirmed later that day by the White House Liaison’s Office. Regulator’s recommendation came from the Recreational Fishing Alliance.
"We were thrilled – we couldn’t believe that we were going to get an opportunity to talk with the leader of the Free World," said Joan Maxwell, Regulator co-founder and president.
After arriving at the White House, the Maxwells were taken to the Roosevelt Room, where they met personally with President Bush, who asked about how fishing was off of North Carolina and about their business overall. He then took the group of business owners on a personal tour of the White House, beginning in the Oval Office, and then took them from the West Wing to the East Wing, with an elevator ride in between.
The Maxwells and their employees were then escorted to the East Room for a live 45-minute presentation by the president about the state of the U.S. economy. President Bush addressed a crowd of about 150 in attendance including members of his cabinet and other dignitaries, with his comments carried live via C-Span, the national TV cable network, with segments also airing on Fox and CNN.
Regulator employees Willie Rankins and Pam Gurganus, both former displaced North Carolina textile workers, joined the Maxwells on this historic visit, and also got to meet personally with the President and shake hands. Both had been hired by Regulator to be retrained for boat building positions. Regulator’s recent hiring of 20 employees over the past six months, coupled with their planned major reinvestment in $750,000 in manufacturing equipment, was cited by the president who noted the connection between “good tax policy and decision making,” with the resulting tax relief helping lead to more jobs. The president also praised Regulator’s initiative with a local community college – College of the Albemarle in Edenton, NC – for training and job development
prj posted 10-01-2004 02:38 PM ET (US)
If that's the kind of endorsement that they're banking on,
I'm running scared the other way!
They're probably misleading you on a number of fronts,
but, I know, I know, boat building is
HARD WORK
panther posted 10-01-2004 05:06 PM ET (US)
Regulators are alive and well. Anyway, back to the heavy 11 whaler... growth on the bottom not only adds boocoo weight, but will slow you down to a crawl. Out here in the PNW, barnacles are often the culprit. We bottom paint everything. Incidently, I was at the local Whaler dealer yesterday looking at the transom of a Montauk and a Nantucket. Neither one had any vee (maybe 10 degrees); no wonder they ride like chit.
LHG posted 10-01-2004 05:10 PM ET (US)
I've always heard Regulators are D.O.A and sitting on the bottom.
If you're a Regulator owner, you had better practice up on your long distance offshore swimming, as this is a skill you could need when you least expect it.
cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 05:13 PM ET (US)
For you skeptics and pj comment - Is there a slight chance that a press release is telling the truth. They are successful, make a great product that sells itself, and can do circles around other boats its size.
Just travel to high end boat markets - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Nantucket, Martha Vineyard, Montauk. Charter and serious offshore people do not choose Whalers for boats over 21'. The are well made but they slam in rough water. Their Deep v's are weighted wrong and could be dangerous in a heavy sea. I was out recently in a 1995 21 Outrage w/ a 200 Johnson. It was a rough day and when I do like the idea of foam filled hulls buy why is Boston Whaler the only people that do this? Is there a patent I am missing? Grady, Mako, Regulator, Pursuit make better riding boats - period. I hope someone takes over Whaler and design a large center console that works - and get rid of the Mercs. Do you notice that all independent boat manuafacturers use Yamaha? Resale is best with Yamaha.
Sorry to be so negitive about 21'+ Whalers but when I see that they cost as much as the "right boat". It makes me sick to see someone, including friends, spend their money on the wrong boat. For the same $ buy a Pursuit, Regulator, Grady, Seacraft (hold the mercs again), Mako (hold the mercs again), or a Silver Hawk.

TRAFFICLAWYER posted 10-01-2004 05:18 PM ET (US)
You've made some point, abeit to yourself, so now you should
go to the Regulator forum.
LHG posted 10-01-2004 05:42 PM ET (US)
Jack, I heard the Regulator forum is sunk and out of business.
panther posted 10-01-2004 05:54 PM ET (US)
It's true that we probably shouldn't bag on Whalers, but models over 13' deserve it. Whaler does make a nice 11' tender though.
John O posted 10-01-2004 07:53 PM ET (US)
There is no grassy knowl here gang. Cunning4 is not Panther. I know this for a fact. cunning4 actually found my Whaler for me 3 years ago. I have not been on any of the larger Whalers yet, but I have been in the Regulator and they are well built smooth as glass riding boats.
That said. It is a benefit to all on this site to get ALL feedback on Whaler models including feedback that is negative.
Cunning4 is no panther I assure you. I think he is bringing up some valid points from his extensive experiences on many makes and models.
cunning4 posted 10-01-2004 09:39 PM ET (US)
Thanks John O. I get questions all day regarding boats. I have recently joined my family insurance business and deal with "what boat should I get" etc.
Just adding my two cents. Sorry for the Whaler bashing (any over 21')

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Author	Topic: Boston Whaler 11' Sport - water logged?
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 10:23 AM ET (US) I have an 11' sport with a 9.9hp Yamaha. It is a 1977 hull. There is a similar year one next to me with a 25 Johnson. When we pull the plugs on both boats, the one next to me only draws in an inch or so of water. Mine fills to about 2.5". My motor is lighter. Is this a sign of a problem? There are no repairs done to this boat. Should I drill holes in the stern and see if it is water logged. Most posts on this site say this is unlikely. Any help please.
panther	posted 10-01-2004 11:08 AM ET (US) Your boat is waterlogged. End of story.
John O	posted 10-01-2004 11:48 AM ET (US) Sean, Panther may be a bit premature in his response. If you can weigh the hull on a truck scale do so and post the results. There is a possibility of water in the hull, but if there has never been any major damage it is unlikely. I drilled several holes in my whaler (Don Cahill's old one) and got a few drips. The boat performs the way it should so I am done worrying. I did sand and paint the bottom and barrier coat the transom area below the water line with West System to ensure that water stays out. Take a good look at the bottom of the hull when the boat is pulled this fall or in the spring to see if there are any blisters or drips. You do need a good hot day with sun. Good luck, John
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 12:17 PM ET (US) I should find a place and weight the boat. There is also substantial growth on the bottom. This might be the biggest culprit. The more I read on this site, the more I do not believe that it is water-logged. Panther, you sound a little over reactive. Do you have first hand knowledge? I appears that everyone who "drilled holes" and thought they had problems never really materialized. Also, I paid a low price for boat motor and trailer. I would think that it is still a fantastic dighy one way or another. PS My main boat is a 23 Regulator. Any whaler over 18' is disappointing. The style changes every other year. The 21 Whaler (1995 Outrage) is stern heavy and rides horrible. Can they just build a 24degree deadrise, sold center console with clean/classic looks (Ex. Seacraft 23, Silver hawk, Regulator) They are trying to be all things to everyone - family fisherman cruiser. I am happy to see a decent 11' Whaler in their line-up again.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 10-01-2004 12:26 PM ET (US) "Also, I paid a low price for boat motor and trailer. I would think that it is still a fantastic dighy one way or another. PS My main boat is a 23 Regulator. Any whaler over 18' is disappointing. The style changes every other year. The 21 Whaler (1995 Outrage) is stern heavy and rides horrible. Can they just build a 24degree deadrise, sold center console with clean/classic looks (Ex. Seacraft 23, Silver hawk, Regulator) They are trying to be all things to everyone - family fisherman cruiser. I am happy to see a decent 11' Whaler in their line-up again" Whats the problem with style changes, most boat vendors initiate style changes frequently. maybe Regulator can't afford any new molds, or maybe they like selling plain vanilla or maybe their customers are blinded by that 24 degree deadrise, who knows. Seacraft had such great looks they went belly up but for the Bass guys,Oh, Silver hawk a VERY POPULAR model, never heard of em'. Pray your bracket doesnt rust!
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 01:08 PM ET (US) Style changes every other year mean "flaws". Most boat manufacturers will introduce different models between existing quality hulls. The boat business does not need to be similar to the car business with new models every 3-4 years. Whaler did it right when they were in MA. Good classic designs for over 30 years. The new 20-28 whalers are bad. Weighted wrong, ugly modern looks, T-tops poorly designed, etc. If I have $50-$70K available for a 25 boat, Whaler would be far down the list. 1st - Regulator 23' 2nd - Seacraft 23' 3rd - Silver Hawk 24' Whaler could duplicate one of these boats, lose the mercs for Yamaha, and be an unbelieveble product line in this catagory. Sorry mid-range whaler fans. PS Do not get me started on the Defiance Models (Over 28')
LHG	posted 10-01-2004 01:28 PM ET (US) We have panther talking to himself again. Didn't I read somehwere on the world wide web, can't seem to remember where or which website, that Regulator, panther's favorite troll, was in bankruptcy? My memory is starting to fail. Can't believe anything you read on the web these days.
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 02:00 PM ET (US) Regualtor Marine is not in bankruptsy. They were just voted best business in NC. The owners just came back from the White House with George Bush. This company has minimal size boats and has a backlog of orders. Just try ordering one. Here is the recent press release. Lets get the facts corect people! This is the best riding 23' boat on the market. I have been on all major lines of 23' ters. Press Release: Edenton, NC - Regulator Marine Inc. founders Joan and Owen Maxwell, along with two new employees, were invited to meet with President George W. Bush at the White House as part of an economic event held July 2, 2004. Regulator was one of four companies selected from across the country to meet with the president and to be part of a major televised press event that spotlighted recent small business success stories. Regulator received a call from a presidential staff member on June 30 who invited the Maxwells to meet with the president. The invitation was confirmed later that day by the White House Liaison’s Office. Regulator’s recommendation came from the Recreational Fishing Alliance. "We were thrilled – we couldn’t believe that we were going to get an opportunity to talk with the leader of the Free World," said Joan Maxwell, Regulator co-founder and president. After arriving at the White House, the Maxwells were taken to the Roosevelt Room, where they met personally with President Bush, who asked about how fishing was off of North Carolina and about their business overall. He then took the group of business owners on a personal tour of the White House, beginning in the Oval Office, and then took them from the West Wing to the East Wing, with an elevator ride in between. The Maxwells and their employees were then escorted to the East Room for a live 45-minute presentation by the president about the state of the U.S. economy. President Bush addressed a crowd of about 150 in attendance including members of his cabinet and other dignitaries, with his comments carried live via C-Span, the national TV cable network, with segments also airing on Fox and CNN. Regulator employees Willie Rankins and Pam Gurganus, both former displaced North Carolina textile workers, joined the Maxwells on this historic visit, and also got to meet personally with the President and shake hands. Both had been hired by Regulator to be retrained for boat building positions. Regulator’s recent hiring of 20 employees over the past six months, coupled with their planned major reinvestment in $750,000 in manufacturing equipment, was cited by the president who noted the connection between “good tax policy and decision making,” with the resulting tax relief helping lead to more jobs. The president also praised Regulator’s initiative with a local community college – College of the Albemarle in Edenton, NC – for training and job development
prj	posted 10-01-2004 02:38 PM ET (US) If that's the kind of endorsement that they're banking on, I'm running scared the other way! They're probably misleading you on a number of fronts, but, I know, I know, boat building is HARD WORK
panther	posted 10-01-2004 05:06 PM ET (US) Regulators are alive and well. Anyway, back to the heavy 11 whaler... growth on the bottom not only adds boocoo weight, but will slow you down to a crawl. Out here in the PNW, barnacles are often the culprit. We bottom paint everything. Incidently, I was at the local Whaler dealer yesterday looking at the transom of a Montauk and a Nantucket. Neither one had any vee (maybe 10 degrees); no wonder they ride like chit.
LHG	posted 10-01-2004 05:10 PM ET (US) I've always heard Regulators are D.O.A and sitting on the bottom. If you're a Regulator owner, you had better practice up on your long distance offshore swimming, as this is a skill you could need when you least expect it.
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 05:13 PM ET (US) For you skeptics and pj comment - Is there a slight chance that a press release is telling the truth. They are successful, make a great product that sells itself, and can do circles around other boats its size. Just travel to high end boat markets - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Nantucket, Martha Vineyard, Montauk. Charter and serious offshore people do not choose Whalers for boats over 21'. The are well made but they slam in rough water. Their Deep v's are weighted wrong and could be dangerous in a heavy sea. I was out recently in a 1995 21 Outrage w/ a 200 Johnson. It was a rough day and when I do like the idea of foam filled hulls buy why is Boston Whaler the only people that do this? Is there a patent I am missing? Grady, Mako, Regulator, Pursuit make better riding boats - period. I hope someone takes over Whaler and design a large center console that works - and get rid of the Mercs. Do you notice that all independent boat manuafacturers use Yamaha? Resale is best with Yamaha. Sorry to be so negitive about 21'+ Whalers but when I see that they cost as much as the "right boat". It makes me sick to see someone, including friends, spend their money on the wrong boat. For the same $ buy a Pursuit, Regulator, Grady, Seacraft (hold the mercs again), Mako (hold the mercs again), or a Silver Hawk.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 10-01-2004 05:18 PM ET (US) You've made some point, abeit to yourself, so now you should go to the Regulator forum.
LHG	posted 10-01-2004 05:42 PM ET (US) Jack, I heard the Regulator forum is sunk and out of business.
panther	posted 10-01-2004 05:54 PM ET (US) It's true that we probably shouldn't bag on Whalers, but models over 13' deserve it. Whaler does make a nice 11' tender though.
John O	posted 10-01-2004 07:53 PM ET (US) There is no grassy knowl here gang. Cunning4 is not Panther. I know this for a fact. cunning4 actually found my Whaler for me 3 years ago. I have not been on any of the larger Whalers yet, but I have been in the Regulator and they are well built smooth as glass riding boats. That said. It is a benefit to all on this site to get ALL feedback on Whaler models including feedback that is negative. Cunning4 is no panther I assure you. I think he is bringing up some valid points from his extensive experiences on many makes and models.
cunning4	posted 10-01-2004 09:39 PM ET (US) Thanks John O. I get questions all day regarding boats. I have recently joined my family insurance business and deal with "what boat should I get" etc. Just adding my two cents. Sorry for the Whaler bashing (any over 21')