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Yiddil posted 02-21-2005 07:51 PM ET (US)
Hi all, Need some advice and experienced moptor people to help me with this one.
You all know I Have a Nantucket ("DasBoat") and she runs really well. The 115 Classic I have on her weighs in at 348 Lbs. I was thinking of maybe getting an upgrade on the engine to maybe a 150 XL or the new Verado 150. The XL150 weighs in at 431, the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP is well over 500 lbs!
Wondering what that would do to the way the boat handles in tyhe water both at rest and moving with all the extra weight in the stern? ANyone know?
Whats your take on the 150 XL Vs. the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP? performance wise, with the Nantucket(knowng the Mercury VERADO™ is new)
I need some recommendations and thoughts on this. I'm assuming that the 150xl wont matter much on the back end of the NAntucket, but the Mercury VERADO™ at over 500?
Which would be the best bang for the bucs. ? old teck 150xl might come in way cheaper after the Mercury VERADO™s hit town?or go with the Mercury VERADO™.
Money wise, not sure what were talking about?
Lets here your thoughts.
Thanks in advance, Henry AKA THE YIDDDIL
Perry posted 02-21-2005 08:19 PM ET (US)
According to Boston Whalers's specs, the max engine weight for the Nantucket 190 is 510 lbs. The new 150 Mercury VERADO™ weighs 527. It would probably handle the weight well but will it void the hull warranty?
I just ordered a Nantucket and decided to repower before I take it home from the dealership. I'm glad that the owner was willing to take the 115 off and sell it on the side.
kamie posted 02-21-2005 09:28 PM ET (US)
I expect the max engine weight to change on the Nantucket to power them with the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP now that they are out.
Depends on when you want to repower:
Mercury VERADO™
Pro: Clean, New Technology, quiet, supercharged
Con: Requires new controls, availabilty end of the season?, possible weight issues.
OptiMax
Pro: can do it today, cheaper, same controls you have (i'm guessing), proven technology
Con: Not the newest technology, not clean technology, louder compared to Mercury VERADO™
Personally, I would wait. The 115HP you have on there is a fine engine. Pushes the boat nicely and really sips the gas. Either of the 150HP are going to drink gas compared to what you have. Wait until BW does some test results on the Nantucket with the 150 Mercury VERADO™ or wait to see how the 150s perform on some of the other boats.
Yiddil posted 02-21-2005 11:42 PM ET (US)
THnaks KAmie, Perry.
You know me, Im game if it can be done but at the same time I'm pleased as punch with my set up as it stands now. Ive had great boating with the Nantucket w/ 115 Classic!and your right, she sips gas!
Whats a 150XL gonna run?
Whats the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP gonna run?
I don't think I'll even see a 150 Varado out there to buy till the end of the season. but then again the 150XL might becoame a bargin when the Mercury VERADO™s are all out there:))
Perry, Ive never been sorry i bought that 115 classic. it runs up on plane as fast as the 150 and faster than the old 115 -4 The Charts didn't lie:) She runs good with that set up.
Having said that. the Mercury VERADO™'s interest me a lot, but If there cost prohibitive, then the 150 classic is a good alternative, but Id like to hear more opinions from the the regular Boat-G-ds. .
Yiddil posted 02-21-2005 11:45 PM ET (US)
Maybe this need sto be asked on the Post-classic page. sorry if this is a mistaken place.
jimh posted 02-21-2005 11:59 PM ET (US)
The OptiMax engines are "clean technology."
Perry posted 02-22-2005 01:48 AM ET (US)
Yiddil,
I'm not sure what a 150 XL is but I know that Mercury makes four 150 HP motors. If you are determined to go with Mercury, you can either get their "low tech" 150 2 stroke carburated motor (classic), a 150 EFI 2 stroke, the 150 OptiMax and the new Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP.
The 150 classic will be the least expensive and lightest at 406 lbs but not the cleanest technology. The 150 EFI 2 stroke is more expensive and will get better fuel economy and weighs in at 425 lbs. The 150 OptiMax is heavier at 431 but newer and cleaner technology with a 2 star rating. The Mercury VERADO™ will be very expensive and heavy but the most advanced and cleanist technology Mercury has to offer (3 star). Like Kamie said, you will also need new controls and probably have to wait until the end of the season to get one.
I'd look at Ed's marine or your local dealer for pricing. Any of the 150's will provide good performance. The Mercury VERADO™ was out of the question for me because there are no factory authorized Mercury VERADO™ mechanics anywhere in the state.
I ordered my Nantucket with the 115 4 stroke because the dealer said it would be easier to sell on the side. He is then going to rig it with a new Honda.
Plotman posted 02-22-2005 01:42 PM ET (US)
Hands down. Buy a 150 EFI while you still can.
Clark Roberts posted 02-22-2005 06:09 PM ET (US)
Agree with Plotman! The 2.5 Liter Merc EFI 150hp may be the best engine out there. It will most likly outperform any other 150 and get surprisingly good fuel mileage even when comparred to the 4 cycle and the direct injected engines. Clark. Spruce Creek Navy
kamie posted 02-22-2005 08:13 PM ET (US)
Jim is right the Opti is "clean" compared to the EFI but not as "clean" when you compare to the Mercury VERADO™.
Prices from Ed's
150HP 2-Stroke Carb 7k (can you really still buy these?)
150HP 2-stroke EFI 9.3k
150HP OptiMax 10k
150HP Mercury VERADO™ ?
My guess for the Mercury VERADO™ is 13-14k but I believe that includes DTS and controls, at least on the 200HP and above it does.
It is up to you if you want to wait for the Mercury VERADO™ to see what the real deal is with the price, availability and the weight issues.
I am just holding out to get as much as I can out of the 150 on Evenstar but then I do the same thing with cars so that's just me.
jimh posted 02-22-2005 08:21 PM ET (US)
Here are the replies to the duplicate thread, now deleted.
Perry
posted 02-22-2005 01:56 AM ET (US)
Yiddil, I also responded to the same thread in the performance forum.
In the subject of this thread you mention the 150 classic then in the text you refer to it as a 150 XL. Which one are you talking about? Mercury makes four 150 HP motors. If you are determined to go with Mercury, you can either get their "low tech" 150 2 stroke carburated motor (classic), a 150 EFI 2 stroke, the 150 OptiMax or the new Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP.
The 150 classic will be the least expensive and lightest at 406 lbs but not the cleanest technology. The 150 EFI 2 stroke is more expensive and will get better fuel economy and weighs in at 425 lbs. The 150 OptiMax is heavier at 431 but newer and cleaner technology with a 2 star rating. The Mercury VERADO™ will be very expensive and heavy but the most advanced and cleanist technology Mercury has to offer (3 star). Like Kamie said, you will also need new controls and probably have to wait until the end of the season to get one.
I'd look at Ed's marine or your local dealer for pricing. Any of the 150's will provide good performance. The Mercury VERADO™ was out of the question for me because there are no factory authorized Mercury VERADO™ mechanics anywhere in the state.
I ordered my Nantucket with the 115 4 stroke because the dealer said it would be easier to sell on the side. He is then going to rig it with a new Honda.
Sal A
posted 02-22-2005 03:58 AM ET (US)
I am going to think you can get about $4500 to $5,000 for your 115 if you sell it on ebay. My new F150 cost about $12,000 all in with, the guages and controls I chose (the engine retails for $10k bare on the internet, so figure that I paid an extra $2k for prop, controls, guages, labor, and tax). That set up might be a $7500 to $8000 upgrade for you.
My thinking is that the 150 VERADO will be materially more expensive.
LHG posted 02-23-2005 04:02 PM ET (US)
Since you're running a carbureted 2-stroke right now, decide if you want to stay with that technology.
If you do, and money is an issue, get the Merc 150 XR6 (carbureted) 150. Other wise, pay up, considerably, for the EFI 150. This is a powerhouse engine, and Smartcraft enabled. And I would even buy a Merc 200 EFI for it!
If you need to be "clean" and don't mind the cost, the 150 or 175(preferred) OptiMax is your best bet RIGHT NOW. The Mercury VERADO™ might be a 6 month wait? It's also initially sounding like the 150 Mercury VERADO™ can't keep up, top end speed, with the 150 OptiMax?
I just noticed some new Merc engine pricing that shows the 150 OptiMax only about $500 more than the 150 EFI. That's amazing, but it tells you something about EFI demand in this last year of availability
Yiddil posted 02-24-2005 12:49 AM ET (US)
LHG, thanks for the post:)
Not sure what I will do just yet. not familiar with the different engines. althoughThe OptiMax 150 gives similar numbers against the 115-2 from a chart posted here on comparisons on the Nantucket(see the chart)(the chart holds true for the 115-2, ( Ive never gone more than 38 mph, but then again I have lots of canvas and 1-2 foot waves and wind to take something off her). . Whaler has not talked to the issue of the Mercury VERADO™ if and when its avail., as it pertains to the added weight on that puppy and how it will effect the Nantucket. don't have anything concrete yet from WHaler. on performance either. Its well over 500 lbs. But if I get some back on a trade, Im game if I can get better performance, not that I'm unhappy with my 115-2, but its a matter of looking at all the possibilities. Might be able to get a deal, once the Mercury VERADO™s are in full swing. Thnaks
LHG posted 02-24-2005 02:16 PM ET (US)
Never trade an engine if you can avoid it. Sell that 2-stroke Merc 115 here. It's an excellent engine for a Classic 18 Outrage.
Yiddil posted 02-24-2005 08:44 PM ET (US)
Hmmm "sell it here" whats it worth barely broken in. Sal said 4500. tom 5000. is that right? hMmm now you got me thinking. although Im not a mechanic, and wouldnt know how to get her off. .thanks
Plotman posted 02-24-2005 11:26 PM ET (US)
If you don't go with the 2-stroke EFI, watch the new E-Tec infomercial before you decide what engine to buy - the 150 E-Tec will be out soon enough.
jimh posted 02-25-2005 12:55 AM ET (US)
Need clarification on what is a 150XL, XL150, or 150xl.
TexasWhaler posted 02-25-2005 10:40 AM ET (US)
At 431 lbs, he's got to be referring to the Optimax 150.
Moe posted 02-25-2005 11:24 AM ET (US)
Just put that bad boy Verado on there and be done with it! :-D Trim tabs can help deal with the weight issue, and offer additional benefits.
Seriously, if you haven't sea trialed a Verado, you owe it to yourself to do so before making a final decision. While the 4 cylinder might not be as silky smooth as the in-line 6, the impressive quiet and instantaneous response to throttle inputs is probably as good as the larger models.
--
Moe
LHG posted 02-25-2005 03:39 PM ET (US)
"XL" is Mercury's designation for 25" shaft engines.
Also used are:
"S" (short) 15"
"L" (long) 20"
"XL" (Extra long) 25"
"XXL" (extra, extra long) 30"
Other letters used are:
"E" Electric Start
"PT" Power Trim
"O" Oil injected.
So, putting it all together, the popular Merc 90 2-stroke, as sold on so many Montauks, would be:
"90 E-L-PT-O"
On the larger V-6's , where all this stuff is standard, they dispense with all those designations, and just use the shaft length letters.
So, in conclusion, and finally anwering JimH's question, a 25" 150 Optimax would just be "150XL"

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Author	Topic: NANTUCKET Re-Power: Verado 150 or ?
Yiddil	posted 02-21-2005 07:51 PM ET (US) Hi all, Need some advice and experienced moptor people to help me with this one. You all know I Have a Nantucket ("DasBoat") and she runs really well. The 115 Classic I have on her weighs in at 348 Lbs. I was thinking of maybe getting an upgrade on the engine to maybe a 150 XL or the new Verado 150. The XL150 weighs in at 431, the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP is well over 500 lbs! Wondering what that would do to the way the boat handles in tyhe water both at rest and moving with all the extra weight in the stern? ANyone know? Whats your take on the 150 XL Vs. the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP? performance wise, with the Nantucket(knowng the Mercury VERADO™ is new) I need some recommendations and thoughts on this. I'm assuming that the 150xl wont matter much on the back end of the NAntucket, but the Mercury VERADO™ at over 500? Which would be the best bang for the bucs. ? old teck 150xl might come in way cheaper after the Mercury VERADO™s hit town?or go with the Mercury VERADO™. Money wise, not sure what were talking about? Lets here your thoughts. Thanks in advance, Henry AKA THE YIDDDIL
Perry	posted 02-21-2005 08:19 PM ET (US) According to Boston Whalers's specs, the max engine weight for the Nantucket 190 is 510 lbs. The new 150 Mercury VERADO™ weighs 527. It would probably handle the weight well but will it void the hull warranty? I just ordered a Nantucket and decided to repower before I take it home from the dealership. I'm glad that the owner was willing to take the 115 off and sell it on the side.
kamie	posted 02-21-2005 09:28 PM ET (US) I expect the max engine weight to change on the Nantucket to power them with the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP now that they are out. Depends on when you want to repower: Mercury VERADO™ Pro: Clean, New Technology, quiet, supercharged Con: Requires new controls, availabilty end of the season?, possible weight issues. OptiMax Pro: can do it today, cheaper, same controls you have (i'm guessing), proven technology Con: Not the newest technology, not clean technology, louder compared to Mercury VERADO™ Personally, I would wait. The 115HP you have on there is a fine engine. Pushes the boat nicely and really sips the gas. Either of the 150HP are going to drink gas compared to what you have. Wait until BW does some test results on the Nantucket with the 150 Mercury VERADO™ or wait to see how the 150s perform on some of the other boats.
Yiddil	posted 02-21-2005 11:42 PM ET (US) THnaks KAmie, Perry. You know me, Im game if it can be done but at the same time I'm pleased as punch with my set up as it stands now. Ive had great boating with the Nantucket w/ 115 Classic!and your right, she sips gas! Whats a 150XL gonna run? Whats the Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP gonna run? I don't think I'll even see a 150 Varado out there to buy till the end of the season. but then again the 150XL might becoame a bargin when the Mercury VERADO™s are all out there:)) Perry, Ive never been sorry i bought that 115 classic. it runs up on plane as fast as the 150 and faster than the old 115 -4 The Charts didn't lie:) She runs good with that set up. Having said that. the Mercury VERADO™'s interest me a lot, but If there cost prohibitive, then the 150 classic is a good alternative, but Id like to hear more opinions from the the regular Boat-G-ds. .
Yiddil	posted 02-21-2005 11:45 PM ET (US) Maybe this need sto be asked on the Post-classic page. sorry if this is a mistaken place.
jimh	posted 02-21-2005 11:59 PM ET (US) The OptiMax engines are "clean technology."
Perry	posted 02-22-2005 01:48 AM ET (US) Yiddil, I'm not sure what a 150 XL is but I know that Mercury makes four 150 HP motors. If you are determined to go with Mercury, you can either get their "low tech" 150 2 stroke carburated motor (classic), a 150 EFI 2 stroke, the 150 OptiMax and the new Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP. The 150 classic will be the least expensive and lightest at 406 lbs but not the cleanest technology. The 150 EFI 2 stroke is more expensive and will get better fuel economy and weighs in at 425 lbs. The 150 OptiMax is heavier at 431 but newer and cleaner technology with a 2 star rating. The Mercury VERADO™ will be very expensive and heavy but the most advanced and cleanist technology Mercury has to offer (3 star). Like Kamie said, you will also need new controls and probably have to wait until the end of the season to get one. I'd look at Ed's marine or your local dealer for pricing. Any of the 150's will provide good performance. The Mercury VERADO™ was out of the question for me because there are no factory authorized Mercury VERADO™ mechanics anywhere in the state. I ordered my Nantucket with the 115 4 stroke because the dealer said it would be easier to sell on the side. He is then going to rig it with a new Honda.
Plotman	posted 02-22-2005 01:42 PM ET (US) Hands down. Buy a 150 EFI while you still can.
Clark Roberts	posted 02-22-2005 06:09 PM ET (US) Agree with Plotman! The 2.5 Liter Merc EFI 150hp may be the best engine out there. It will most likly outperform any other 150 and get surprisingly good fuel mileage even when comparred to the 4 cycle and the direct injected engines. Clark. Spruce Creek Navy
kamie	posted 02-22-2005 08:13 PM ET (US) Jim is right the Opti is "clean" compared to the EFI but not as "clean" when you compare to the Mercury VERADO™. Prices from Ed's 150HP 2-Stroke Carb 7k (can you really still buy these?) 150HP 2-stroke EFI 9.3k 150HP OptiMax 10k 150HP Mercury VERADO™ ? My guess for the Mercury VERADO™ is 13-14k but I believe that includes DTS and controls, at least on the 200HP and above it does. It is up to you if you want to wait for the Mercury VERADO™ to see what the real deal is with the price, availability and the weight issues. I am just holding out to get as much as I can out of the 150 on Evenstar but then I do the same thing with cars so that's just me.
jimh	posted 02-22-2005 08:21 PM ET (US) Here are the replies to the duplicate thread, now deleted. Perry posted 02-22-2005 01:56 AM ET (US) Yiddil, I also responded to the same thread in the performance forum. In the subject of this thread you mention the 150 classic then in the text you refer to it as a 150 XL. Which one are you talking about? Mercury makes four 150 HP motors. If you are determined to go with Mercury, you can either get their "low tech" 150 2 stroke carburated motor (classic), a 150 EFI 2 stroke, the 150 OptiMax or the new Mercury VERADO™ 150-HP. The 150 classic will be the least expensive and lightest at 406 lbs but not the cleanest technology. The 150 EFI 2 stroke is more expensive and will get better fuel economy and weighs in at 425 lbs. The 150 OptiMax is heavier at 431 but newer and cleaner technology with a 2 star rating. The Mercury VERADO™ will be very expensive and heavy but the most advanced and cleanist technology Mercury has to offer (3 star). Like Kamie said, you will also need new controls and probably have to wait until the end of the season to get one. I'd look at Ed's marine or your local dealer for pricing. Any of the 150's will provide good performance. The Mercury VERADO™ was out of the question for me because there are no factory authorized Mercury VERADO™ mechanics anywhere in the state. I ordered my Nantucket with the 115 4 stroke because the dealer said it would be easier to sell on the side. He is then going to rig it with a new Honda. Sal A posted 02-22-2005 03:58 AM ET (US) I am going to think you can get about $4500 to $5,000 for your 115 if you sell it on ebay. My new F150 cost about $12,000 all in with, the guages and controls I chose (the engine retails for $10k bare on the internet, so figure that I paid an extra $2k for prop, controls, guages, labor, and tax). That set up might be a $7500 to $8000 upgrade for you. My thinking is that the 150 VERADO will be materially more expensive.
LHG	posted 02-23-2005 04:02 PM ET (US) Since you're running a carbureted 2-stroke right now, decide if you want to stay with that technology. If you do, and money is an issue, get the Merc 150 XR6 (carbureted) 150. Other wise, pay up, considerably, for the EFI 150. This is a powerhouse engine, and Smartcraft enabled. And I would even buy a Merc 200 EFI for it! If you need to be "clean" and don't mind the cost, the 150 or 175(preferred) OptiMax is your best bet RIGHT NOW. The Mercury VERADO™ might be a 6 month wait? It's also initially sounding like the 150 Mercury VERADO™ can't keep up, top end speed, with the 150 OptiMax? I just noticed some new Merc engine pricing that shows the 150 OptiMax only about $500 more than the 150 EFI. That's amazing, but it tells you something about EFI demand in this last year of availability
Yiddil	posted 02-24-2005 12:49 AM ET (US) LHG, thanks for the post:) Not sure what I will do just yet. not familiar with the different engines. althoughThe OptiMax 150 gives similar numbers against the 115-2 from a chart posted here on comparisons on the Nantucket(see the chart)(the chart holds true for the 115-2, ( Ive never gone more than 38 mph, but then again I have lots of canvas and 1-2 foot waves and wind to take something off her). . Whaler has not talked to the issue of the Mercury VERADO™ if and when its avail., as it pertains to the added weight on that puppy and how it will effect the Nantucket. don't have anything concrete yet from WHaler. on performance either. Its well over 500 lbs. But if I get some back on a trade, Im game if I can get better performance, not that I'm unhappy with my 115-2, but its a matter of looking at all the possibilities. Might be able to get a deal, once the Mercury VERADO™s are in full swing. Thnaks
LHG	posted 02-24-2005 02:16 PM ET (US) Never trade an engine if you can avoid it. Sell that 2-stroke Merc 115 here. It's an excellent engine for a Classic 18 Outrage.
Yiddil	posted 02-24-2005 08:44 PM ET (US) Hmmm "sell it here" whats it worth barely broken in. Sal said 4500. tom 5000. is that right? hMmm now you got me thinking. although Im not a mechanic, and wouldnt know how to get her off. .thanks
Plotman	posted 02-24-2005 11:26 PM ET (US) If you don't go with the 2-stroke EFI, watch the new E-Tec infomercial before you decide what engine to buy - the 150 E-Tec will be out soon enough.
jimh	posted 02-25-2005 12:55 AM ET (US) Need clarification on what is a 150XL, XL150, or 150xl.
TexasWhaler	posted 02-25-2005 10:40 AM ET (US) At 431 lbs, he's got to be referring to the Optimax 150.
Moe	posted 02-25-2005 11:24 AM ET (US) Just put that bad boy Verado on there and be done with it! :-D Trim tabs can help deal with the weight issue, and offer additional benefits. Seriously, if you haven't sea trialed a Verado, you owe it to yourself to do so before making a final decision. While the 4 cylinder might not be as silky smooth as the in-line 6, the impressive quiet and instantaneous response to throttle inputs is probably as good as the larger models. -- Moe
LHG	posted 02-25-2005 03:39 PM ET (US) "XL" is Mercury's designation for 25" shaft engines. Also used are: "S" (short) 15" "L" (long) 20" "XL" (Extra long) 25" "XXL" (extra, extra long) 30" Other letters used are: "E" Electric Start "PT" Power Trim "O" Oil injected. So, putting it all together, the popular Merc 90 2-stroke, as sold on so many Montauks, would be: "90 E-L-PT-O" On the larger V-6's , where all this stuff is standard, they dispense with all those designations, and just use the shaft length letters. So, in conclusion, and finally anwering JimH's question, a 25" 150 Optimax would just be "150XL"