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Belize Whaler posted 05-15-2005 08:05 AM ET (US)
I am going to be repowering an OUTRAGE-22 (w/t-top) with a 2005 200-HP YAMAHA HPDI. What is the expected top speed with this rig?
Also, would appreciate advice on choice of propellers. I have two. One came with the motor, a three-blade SS with big round blades, and one is an aftermarket four-blade SS. I do not have the measurements. I take off primarily in shallow water so I need a propeller that pops the boat onto plane instantly. I noticed the four-blade was more sluggish at this.
jimh posted 05-15-2005 09:05 AM ET (US)
An OUTRAGE-22 with 200-HP should be capable of making over 40-MPH. The exact top speed will depend on the weight in the boat.
Plotman posted 05-15-2005 06:46 PM ET (US)
Didn't you get a 22 with a whaler drive? If that is the case, you will find lower speeds than the same engine on a standard notched transom with a given HP.
I think Jim H's boat (a 22 Revenge WD) is powered with a 225 and sees a top end that can hit 40 in the right conditions.
I think a 200 HP engine on that boat is going to give you a WOT in the mid 30s.
mustang7nh posted 05-15-2005 08:24 PM ET (US)
Law of diminishing returns. Top speed is effected by the laws of physics. A master of which I am not, but I will tell you that my 250 on my 22 hits 48mph. I've heard people with 225 reporting 50-52. Ironically, I currently am having a fuel starvation problem and my enging is producing quite a bit less HP and I still get 40 mph. I would estimate you will get 40 mph. My 20 Outrage with 1988 200hpy Johnson hit 43.5mph gps on a good day.
Unless you have some particular reason to go with the 200, I would not. 250 is not too much.
Belize Whaler posted 05-15-2005 08:47 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info
250 hp would be nice but i am sure that the 200 will do okay and i already own it. just need to keep in mind that the outrage is not a raceboat! as long as i can cruise at 40'ish then i am happy.(enough) seller says the boat i bought runs wot at 43 with 175 hp omc.
90% of my driving is alone and unloaded. my outrage is my car - i drive it to work. during the times when i go cruising with friends loaded up then ill just push the 200.
I wanted to buy a 22 wd but bought a transom version instead. i have a 18 outrage with 2005 200hp hpdi but too much power - o to 5500 rpm's in 4 seconds! i knew it was too much but there were no other motors avail in the country and i needed one - so swap it to the bigger boat and solve the problem
Sal DiMercurio posted 05-15-2005 09:46 PM ET (US)
That very strange that you say the 4 bl;ade is slower out of the hole than the 3 blade.
The 4 blade must be at least 2 inches more pitch than the 3 blade & maybe more for it to be as sluggish as you say.
Most bass boats run 4 & 5 blade props just because they fish very shallow water & need to get on plane pronto, thats the main reason for running a prop with more than 3 blades.
Your rig [ with "T" top ] & a 200 hp should get low to mid 40s & yes without the "T" top you should push very hard on the 50+ door.
I'd say a Stiletto 14.25 x 17 will do the trick.
Sal
Plotman posted 05-15-2005 10:13 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I thought you had a whaler drive model - they have many advantages, but speed compared to the notched transom models with any given power isn't one of them. There seems to be a lot more drag - that's why the WD models are rated for 70 hp more than standard.
My "old" 22 is an 1987 Outrage 22 with a 1991 merc 200. That boat hits 44-45 mph in flat water with the T-Top off now that I raised the engine up properly whhen I am running light in a slight chop.
Belize Whaler posted 05-16-2005 07:38 AM ET (US)
thanks
will have to compare the dia/pitches and report back...it is hard to tell which prop pops me up faster..it felt to me like the motor took longer to rev out on take off with the 4 blade so gave the feeling of being sluggish out of the hole but maybe that is deceptive.
the 4 blade runs smoother at a lesser speed plane, and runs about 8 mph faster than my stock elephant ear 3 blade.
there are about 400 boats on my island and i am the only one with a 4 blade so hard to compare or talk shop locally! all input much appreciated.
glad to hear i can use my motor on the 22 - they cost 14k here so have to make it work. i will take a t-top any day over an extra 5 mph. i did not know the wd asks for extra hp - glad i didnt get one now!
Sal DiMercurio posted 05-16-2005 10:56 AM ET (US)
Now it's obvious the 4 blade has more pitch than the 3 blade because of the top end speed difference but one of those props is most likely the right one by checking your rpms at wot.
The one that turns closest to the maximum recommended rpm is the one you want.
8 miles per hour difference is an awfull lot between props.
Are you running both props on the same day on the same water conditions ?
If not ......that could be the difference.
Running 1 prop in 90 degree weather & another in 40 degree weather makes a huge difference.
Cold air does wonders for an engine.
A slight 1' - 18" chop will give you 5 - 8 mph faster than flat water.
Trimmed out to max will also give you 5 - 10 mph more compared to tucked all the way in.
Gereally a 3 blade will out perform a 4 blade on the top end & some 3 blades can hold their own on the hole shots so there's a lot of variances in different style props.
Sal
Belize Whaler posted 05-16-2005 03:20 PM ET (US)
Sal
thanks for the tip. i never thought a boat would pick up extra speed with a lite chop as i have always tested out full blast when it was only glassy calm!
my 4 blade is a SOLAS 14 1/8 x 19 and my yamaha 3 blade is 13 3/4 x 17.
The 3 blade maxed out at about 5700 rpm and 44 mph
the 4 at 5400-5500 at 54 mph.
But as i am going to be moving up to a heavier and longer boat prob best to ice all of this and start from scratch. looks like i will have to look at another 4 blade as the one i have will prob be too much for the next boat.
Sal DiMercurio posted 05-23-2005 08:34 PM ET (US)
10 mph is just to much difference between props.
The differnce has to be you tested the 3 blade on glassy smooth water & the 4 blade on 1' - 18" chop on a colder day & p[robably trimmed way out to maximum.
Ideal water for racing or trying to get the fastest speed from your boat is 1' chop to 2' chop, this allows lots of air to get under the boat & allows the bottom to break loose from being stuck like glue in smooth water where the whole bottom is getting wet & when the whole bottom gets wet, the boat slows way down.
When air gets under her, your rpms climb & the prop spins faster & the boat is half boating half flying depending on how fast your going.
I honestly do "NOT" feel there's rthat much difference between those 2 props.
Sal

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE 22: 200-HP
Belize Whaler	posted 05-15-2005 08:05 AM ET (US) I am going to be repowering an OUTRAGE-22 (w/t-top) with a 2005 200-HP YAMAHA HPDI. What is the expected top speed with this rig? Also, would appreciate advice on choice of propellers. I have two. One came with the motor, a three-blade SS with big round blades, and one is an aftermarket four-blade SS. I do not have the measurements. I take off primarily in shallow water so I need a propeller that pops the boat onto plane instantly. I noticed the four-blade was more sluggish at this.
jimh	posted 05-15-2005 09:05 AM ET (US) An OUTRAGE-22 with 200-HP should be capable of making over 40-MPH. The exact top speed will depend on the weight in the boat.
Plotman	posted 05-15-2005 06:46 PM ET (US) Didn't you get a 22 with a whaler drive? If that is the case, you will find lower speeds than the same engine on a standard notched transom with a given HP. I think Jim H's boat (a 22 Revenge WD) is powered with a 225 and sees a top end that can hit 40 in the right conditions. I think a 200 HP engine on that boat is going to give you a WOT in the mid 30s.
mustang7nh	posted 05-15-2005 08:24 PM ET (US) Law of diminishing returns. Top speed is effected by the laws of physics. A master of which I am not, but I will tell you that my 250 on my 22 hits 48mph. I've heard people with 225 reporting 50-52. Ironically, I currently am having a fuel starvation problem and my enging is producing quite a bit less HP and I still get 40 mph. I would estimate you will get 40 mph. My 20 Outrage with 1988 200hpy Johnson hit 43.5mph gps on a good day. Unless you have some particular reason to go with the 200, I would not. 250 is not too much.
Belize Whaler	posted 05-15-2005 08:47 PM ET (US) Thanks for the info 250 hp would be nice but i am sure that the 200 will do okay and i already own it. just need to keep in mind that the outrage is not a raceboat! as long as i can cruise at 40'ish then i am happy.(enough) seller says the boat i bought runs wot at 43 with 175 hp omc. 90% of my driving is alone and unloaded. my outrage is my car - i drive it to work. during the times when i go cruising with friends loaded up then ill just push the 200. I wanted to buy a 22 wd but bought a transom version instead. i have a 18 outrage with 2005 200hp hpdi but too much power - o to 5500 rpm's in 4 seconds! i knew it was too much but there were no other motors avail in the country and i needed one - so swap it to the bigger boat and solve the problem
Sal DiMercurio	posted 05-15-2005 09:46 PM ET (US) That very strange that you say the 4 bl;ade is slower out of the hole than the 3 blade. The 4 blade must be at least 2 inches more pitch than the 3 blade & maybe more for it to be as sluggish as you say. Most bass boats run 4 & 5 blade props just because they fish very shallow water & need to get on plane pronto, thats the main reason for running a prop with more than 3 blades. Your rig [ with "T" top ] & a 200 hp should get low to mid 40s & yes without the "T" top you should push very hard on the 50+ door. I'd say a Stiletto 14.25 x 17 will do the trick. Sal
Plotman	posted 05-15-2005 10:13 PM ET (US) Sorry, I thought you had a whaler drive model - they have many advantages, but speed compared to the notched transom models with any given power isn't one of them. There seems to be a lot more drag - that's why the WD models are rated for 70 hp more than standard. My "old" 22 is an 1987 Outrage 22 with a 1991 merc 200. That boat hits 44-45 mph in flat water with the T-Top off now that I raised the engine up properly whhen I am running light in a slight chop.
Belize Whaler	posted 05-16-2005 07:38 AM ET (US) thanks will have to compare the dia/pitches and report back...it is hard to tell which prop pops me up faster..it felt to me like the motor took longer to rev out on take off with the 4 blade so gave the feeling of being sluggish out of the hole but maybe that is deceptive. the 4 blade runs smoother at a lesser speed plane, and runs about 8 mph faster than my stock elephant ear 3 blade. there are about 400 boats on my island and i am the only one with a 4 blade so hard to compare or talk shop locally! all input much appreciated. glad to hear i can use my motor on the 22 - they cost 14k here so have to make it work. i will take a t-top any day over an extra 5 mph. i did not know the wd asks for extra hp - glad i didnt get one now!
Sal DiMercurio	posted 05-16-2005 10:56 AM ET (US) Now it's obvious the 4 blade has more pitch than the 3 blade because of the top end speed difference but one of those props is most likely the right one by checking your rpms at wot. The one that turns closest to the maximum recommended rpm is the one you want. 8 miles per hour difference is an awfull lot between props. Are you running both props on the same day on the same water conditions ? If not ......that could be the difference. Running 1 prop in 90 degree weather & another in 40 degree weather makes a huge difference. Cold air does wonders for an engine. A slight 1' - 18" chop will give you 5 - 8 mph faster than flat water. Trimmed out to max will also give you 5 - 10 mph more compared to tucked all the way in. Gereally a 3 blade will out perform a 4 blade on the top end & some 3 blades can hold their own on the hole shots so there's a lot of variances in different style props. Sal
Belize Whaler	posted 05-16-2005 03:20 PM ET (US) Sal thanks for the tip. i never thought a boat would pick up extra speed with a lite chop as i have always tested out full blast when it was only glassy calm! my 4 blade is a SOLAS 14 1/8 x 19 and my yamaha 3 blade is 13 3/4 x 17. The 3 blade maxed out at about 5700 rpm and 44 mph the 4 at 5400-5500 at 54 mph. But as i am going to be moving up to a heavier and longer boat prob best to ice all of this and start from scratch. looks like i will have to look at another 4 blade as the one i have will prob be too much for the next boat.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 05-23-2005 08:34 PM ET (US) 10 mph is just to much difference between props. The differnce has to be you tested the 3 blade on glassy smooth water & the 4 blade on 1' - 18" chop on a colder day & p[robably trimmed way out to maximum. Ideal water for racing or trying to get the fastest speed from your boat is 1' chop to 2' chop, this allows lots of air to get under the boat & allows the bottom to break loose from being stuck like glue in smooth water where the whole bottom is getting wet & when the whole bottom gets wet, the boat slows way down. When air gets under her, your rpms climb & the prop spins faster & the boat is half boating half flying depending on how fast your going. I honestly do "NOT" feel there's rthat much difference between those 2 props. Sal