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17 bodega posted 07-29-2005 07:40 PM ET (US)
I did a search and most topics got one or two responses for the most part. I am looking at the Nissan/Tohatsu 6 horse with the 20 inch shaft. I see it online for $1200 or so bucks delivered. Anyone have experience with this one? Can external fuel sources be linked to the gas line? (it has a self contained tank).
My hull is actually a "smirkless" pre-montauk hull but similar in size as you probably know. I hate having to keep 2 stroke gas on board the boat. This Nissan seems a killer deal compared to the Mercs at Worst Marine for hundreds of dollars more. They appear to all be overseas manufactured engines so I guess I'm looking for the lightest and best model to use.
Thanks for any input. I'd like to hear about your setup and how it works.

Steve
Ferdinando posted 07-29-2005 08:17 PM ET (US)
Steve:
Although I have a newer Montauk the results should be the same. I went with a 4 Stroke Johnson 6 HP just for the fact that I did not have to mix fuel and could use the main fuel tank. My only hitch as Tom Clark said was some vibration as the 6 HP is a 1 cylinder engine (Johnson has now made it with 2 cylinders) I bolted the engine directly to the transom and the set up looks pretty good. I bought it last yr and it cost me 1500 bucks. I must say that it does push the boat well and the peace of mind is "priceless"
Good luck,
Fred
17 bodega posted 07-30-2005 02:33 AM ET (US)
Thanks Fred,
I have a Johnson 6 two stroke that I don't use much because of the gas mixing too. The nissan I mentioned above is also a single cylinder too, so maybe the one you mention is better for a bit more. I think the Nissan is 55 lbs too, which is pretty light.
Steve
gnr posted 08-01-2005 01:36 PM ET (US)
I ended up running a Honda 5h, weighing in at 56lbs on my 17-Guardian. It's also a single cylinder and it does vibrate but not so much that it a problem nor an inconvenience.
I have been very happy with it in the three years I have used it. It's quiet, smokeless and it runs forever on a three gallon tank at trolling speed.
Top speed is just over 5 mph in calm conditions and I have used it without problems in conditions that had water coming over the bow.
Steering is accomplished by a threaded rod connector between the main motor and the kicker.
elaelap posted 08-01-2005 02:32 PM ET (US)
Steve,
If you don't plan on keeping that old 6 hp Johnson Seahorse, please contact me about selling it. I had that motor on my last sailboat, used it (as you know) as my kicker on Loolee3, and it has a certain nostalgic attraction. I've got an Achilles inflatable which I could use the Johnson on. Thx
Tony
17 bodega posted 08-01-2005 05:49 PM ET (US)
No problem Tony, she's yours if I upgrade.
The johnson would be a great jon boat motor, but a four stroke kicker for trolling would be ideal. I get the impression that most folks trolling at slow speeds (salmon, trout anglers) don't use their kickers much for trolling based on inconvenience and vibration. My main gripe is the former. The johbson is a buggar to tilt back when in the boat. Kingfish and his T8 with the outrage is perfect, but for the 16 footers it's a bit heavy.
The mercury I see looks similar to the nissan and tohatsu. Isn't that motor an import too?
Steve
Teak Oil posted 08-01-2005 11:27 PM ET (US)
55lbs for a single cylinder kind of sucks, my 4hp twin Evinrude only weighs 37#, no reverse though
mikeyairtime posted 08-02-2005 09:05 AM ET (US)
The little Mercury's are made by Tohatsu.
fishinchips posted 08-11-2005 04:18 AM ET (US)
The tohatsu/Nissan/Merc in the 4, 5, 6 hp 4 stroke flavor is the same motor.
I can tell you that the motor will start on the second pull (well it does on mine).
It does vibrate a bit, but not to bad.
Comparing to the honda. I think the honda is made a bit better. These tohatus/nissan/merc uses alot of plastic parts.
In terms of moving your 17 foot boat. Mine 6hp Merc pushes it just fine.
Ken

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Author	Topic: Montauk Kicker Options
17 bodega	posted 07-29-2005 07:40 PM ET (US) I did a search and most topics got one or two responses for the most part. I am looking at the Nissan/Tohatsu 6 horse with the 20 inch shaft. I see it online for $1200 or so bucks delivered. Anyone have experience with this one? Can external fuel sources be linked to the gas line? (it has a self contained tank). My hull is actually a "smirkless" pre-montauk hull but similar in size as you probably know. I hate having to keep 2 stroke gas on board the boat. This Nissan seems a killer deal compared to the Mercs at Worst Marine for hundreds of dollars more. They appear to all be overseas manufactured engines so I guess I'm looking for the lightest and best model to use. Thanks for any input. I'd like to hear about your setup and how it works. Steve
Ferdinando	posted 07-29-2005 08:17 PM ET (US) Steve: Although I have a newer Montauk the results should be the same. I went with a 4 Stroke Johnson 6 HP just for the fact that I did not have to mix fuel and could use the main fuel tank. My only hitch as Tom Clark said was some vibration as the 6 HP is a 1 cylinder engine (Johnson has now made it with 2 cylinders) I bolted the engine directly to the transom and the set up looks pretty good. I bought it last yr and it cost me 1500 bucks. I must say that it does push the boat well and the peace of mind is "priceless" Good luck, Fred
17 bodega	posted 07-30-2005 02:33 AM ET (US) Thanks Fred, I have a Johnson 6 two stroke that I don't use much because of the gas mixing too. The nissan I mentioned above is also a single cylinder too, so maybe the one you mention is better for a bit more. I think the Nissan is 55 lbs too, which is pretty light. Steve
gnr	posted 08-01-2005 01:36 PM ET (US) I ended up running a Honda 5h, weighing in at 56lbs on my 17-Guardian. It's also a single cylinder and it does vibrate but not so much that it a problem nor an inconvenience. I have been very happy with it in the three years I have used it. It's quiet, smokeless and it runs forever on a three gallon tank at trolling speed. Top speed is just over 5 mph in calm conditions and I have used it without problems in conditions that had water coming over the bow. Steering is accomplished by a threaded rod connector between the main motor and the kicker.
elaelap	posted 08-01-2005 02:32 PM ET (US) Steve, If you don't plan on keeping that old 6 hp Johnson Seahorse, please contact me about selling it. I had that motor on my last sailboat, used it (as you know) as my kicker on Loolee3, and it has a certain nostalgic attraction. I've got an Achilles inflatable which I could use the Johnson on. Thx Tony
17 bodega	posted 08-01-2005 05:49 PM ET (US) No problem Tony, she's yours if I upgrade. The johnson would be a great jon boat motor, but a four stroke kicker for trolling would be ideal. I get the impression that most folks trolling at slow speeds (salmon, trout anglers) don't use their kickers much for trolling based on inconvenience and vibration. My main gripe is the former. The johbson is a buggar to tilt back when in the boat. Kingfish and his T8 with the outrage is perfect, but for the 16 footers it's a bit heavy. The mercury I see looks similar to the nissan and tohatsu. Isn't that motor an import too? Steve
Teak Oil	posted 08-01-2005 11:27 PM ET (US) 55lbs for a single cylinder kind of sucks, my 4hp twin Evinrude only weighs 37#, no reverse though
mikeyairtime	posted 08-02-2005 09:05 AM ET (US) The little Mercury's are made by Tohatsu.
fishinchips	posted 08-11-2005 04:18 AM ET (US) The tohatsu/Nissan/Merc in the 4, 5, 6 hp 4 stroke flavor is the same motor. I can tell you that the motor will start on the second pull (well it does on mine). It does vibrate a bit, but not to bad. Comparing to the honda. I think the honda is made a bit better. These tohatus/nissan/merc uses alot of plastic parts. In terms of moving your 17 foot boat. Mine 6hp Merc pushes it just fine. Ken