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NewportMe posted 09-29-2006 06:47 AM ET (US)   Profile for NewportMe   Send Email to NewportMe  
I will be shopping for a new trailer for my Outrage 22 WD this winter and I would like some advice on what is working well for other members. I have read here that the continental brand comes highly reccomended if anyone could provide model #'s etc it would be appreciated.

Thanks
Bruce

Mike Brantley posted 10-09-2006 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mike Brantley  Send Email to Mike Brantley     
I can't answer your question, but I will be interested in the reading the answers provided to you by others. I hate my trailer with a passion, as all the cross support members are straight rather than dipping to a v-shape in the middle, so my 22 Revenge sits high above the road/ramp/water on my trailer of unknown brand. There is quite a distance from the boat's keel to the trailer's axles and no way to do anything about it with my trailer. The setup makes launching and retrieving my boat (same hull as yours) way more difficult than it should be. Anwyay, I'll be wanting a new trailer, too, sooner or later.
ConB posted 10-09-2006 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
I am very happy with my trailer from these folks.

http://www.phoenixtrail.com/

It is a custom aluminum trailer they built the way I wanted it. I plan to keep the boat for years so a little extra money over that time is money well spent.

Con

Sneddog posted 10-10-2006 10:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sneddog  Send Email to Sneddog     
We've been nothing but totally pleased with ours for our OR22 from Techsun.


http://techsuntrailers.com/default.asp

NewportMe posted 10-13-2006 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for NewportMe  Send Email to NewportMe     
I am gathering price quotes now from the companies mentioned here among others and will post when I have the data.
jflots posted 10-13-2006 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jflots  Send Email to jflots     
I'm happier with our EZ Loader than our Performance. The Performance is a little "budget minded". I've heard good things about Continental and would consider them. You definately want aluminum to keep weight and corrosion down. Also torsion axles, they're sealed. No leaf springs to replace and the whole package tends to sit lower. good luck
jimh posted 10-14-2006 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
My REVENGE 22 W-T WD is loaded on an 1992 E-Z-LOADER trailer. I have hauled it about 12,000 highway miles in the last three years. The trailer is a

Model = TEZ 19-22/24--5,200-lb carrying capacity, 6,500-lbs GVWR


http://www.ezloader.com/pdefault.asp

The model they currently make is slightly different than mine. The new models have torsion axles--a plus.

This trailer is primarily a bunk trailer but it likely can be ordered with an extra cross member or two. You could install keel rollers on the cross members. Mine has three cross members with keel rollers.

My trailer has brakes on all four wheels. This is a very good idea on heavier boats. The brakes are hydraulically operated drum brakes, actuated by a DICO Model-6 surge actuator. The trailer weighs about 1,200-lbs. It is constructed of galvanized steel box frames. The frames are a rather large and stout 5-inch X 2-inch channel, which often leads to some problems mounting accessories; many things are shipped with U-bolts or mounting plates which will only fit 4-inch channel.

One advantage with going with a trailer brand which has national distribution is after-sale parts will generally be available. I had to make some repairs to the trailer after a collision, and E-Z-Loader was very helpful in selling me the parts. They had all the components I needed, even though the trailer was 14-years old.

There generally are many options available for trailers to help fit them to your particular application. For example, the E-Z-LOADER I mentioned above is also available with a longer tongue. This may be helpful in launching from some ramp situations.

If I were buying a new trailer, I would look for:

--tandem axle
--torsion axle
--disc brakes
--sturdy frame with cross members
--good distribution and support for brand

One trailer company which has an interesting new design is Shorelandr. They have a multi-roller keel roller assembly which is perfect for a Boston Whaler boat. See:

http://www.shorelandr.com/asp/t_boat_4000.asp

Their model SLB58T would be a good choice:

http://www.shorelandr.com/asp/t_boat_temp.asp?id=463&style=Bunk

Mambo Minnow posted 10-14-2006 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow    
JimH - Have you been pleased with the DICO? I recently switched to a DICO Model 6 actuator for my drum brakes after the original Attwood failed. I did not like the curved upward movement of the Attwood's coupler latch assembly. The DICO has a straight forward-back motion.
NewportMe posted 10-16-2006 07:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for NewportMe  Send Email to NewportMe     
Jim
Thanks for the input. I am waiting on some local dealers of the larger brands to get pricing to me. After I recieve the pricing I will post here.

Thanks
Bruce

jimh posted 10-16-2006 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Re the DICO Model-6: It works well for me. It has a 2-5/16-inch ball coupler. It looks like it is up to the task.

I see many new trailers using a surge brake actuator made by UFP. Their actuator is much cleaner mechanically. It is integrated right into the trailer tongue. The older style actuators (like the DICO) bolt-on atop the tongue and are something of a mechanical kluge on the trailer frame. The UFP looks much more streamlined and well-integrated. I do not know if the UFP is available with enough GVWR for really large trailers. Their A60 actuator is rated for 6,000-lbs GVWR; their A70 model is for 7,000-lb GVWR. Their website also has some good multi-media content showing how their actuators work

See:

http://www.ufpnet.com/

and follow the link to "ACTUATORS".

Also see:

http://www.ufpnet.com/PDF/A60-70Maint.PDF

UFP also makes torsion axles and disc brakes. I believe that PHOENIX is using the UFP system on their trailers. I also see it a lot on other high-end boats where the boat manufacturer offers a trailer package.

Trailers with disc brakes and a surge actuator cannot be backed up without releasing the brake pressure. Typically this is done using an electrically operated valve which runs off the BACK-UP lights on the vehicle. The UFP also has mechanical lockouts which permit backing without applying the brakes.

jimh posted 10-22-2006 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Conb--I believe I saw your Phoenix trailer at the Fall Cruise. If my memory is correct, I think it had leaf springs on the axle. Do PHOENIX trailers use leaf springs as standard and torsion axles as an option?

Also, I'd like to hear comments in general about torsion axles. Are they better than leaf-spring rigged axles?

Mambo Minnow posted 10-22-2006 06:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow    
JimH - thanks, I had not heard or seen anything about this innovative new actuator. I ended up with the DICO Model 6 and think I will be far happier than the Attwood. The like the UFP's horizontally integrated approach. My next project is to add the brake flushing kit so I can flush after salt water use.
ConB posted 10-22-2006 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for ConB  Send Email to ConB     
The Phoenix Sales pitch was they used all UFP components.
The axle, the hubs (oil bath or grease ), the brakes and actuator.

The leaf springs are standard. I did not ask about torsion springs because I was unsure about them.

I have a swing tongue and its welded on very neatly.

The brake actuator does not look like most. It's hidden in what looks like a tongue with no brakes. It's a neat package.

The backup light reverse lock out works well with Martha's newer Explorer. With my older truck I have to install the little gizmo to keep the the brakes off when backing up.

Con

David Ratusnik posted 10-24-2006 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Newport- For approximately 6 years I've hauled my 1986 Outrage (w/o WD) on an Aluminator twin axle trailer. They are made in Grant, FL. 2 1/2 inch ball. No brakes. The trailer is considered "light." It has held up nicely but
I don't do much trailering since the boat lives in a lift.
David
NewportMe posted 11-01-2006 03:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for NewportMe  Send Email to NewportMe     
My quest has been more difficult than I thought. after e-mailing 6-10 traileer manufacturers, (and getting 1 response) Istarted calling these companies and they sent me to their dealers. (why have a contact us on the web site). All of the prices are for an aluminum trailer with, torsion axles, a spare tire assembly, stainless fasteners, keel rollers, bunks, rear guides,disc brakes, and a gvw of 6000-7000 lbs depending on the model.
Loadmaster aluminum $3915 Picked up in Florida
continental $4160 " " " "
Techsun $3580 Picked up in Texas
Phoenix $4995 Picked up in New Hampshire

In the end I have not decided which way to go. I have discovered that compiling a list such as this would take much more time than I am willing to give right now.

LHG posted 11-01-2006 04:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
If I had a 22' Whaler, my ultimate keel roller trailer for it would be:

Continental (Miami FL)
Vee Frame Galvanized Tilt Trailer series (you will never need to use the tilt feature with a tandem)
Model # CTWV 22, in 6000# carrying capacity (14" wheels)
dual axle disc brakes.
Dual 12" Stoltz roller on each cross member, with SS shafts.

This is a newly introduced, re-designed model, now 8'6" overall width.

I would project cost about $3000-3500.

I use same series trailer under my 25 Outrage.

No way would I have an aluminum drive-on trailer under the boat.

If you go down to get one, buy several others, such as would fit 18 Outrages or Montauk, (or if you can find some people for a special order ahead of time) and bring 3 back with you for sale. The profits will cover the cost of your trip. Continental will stack them up for you for travel, with yours on the bottom, at no charge.

Mike Brantley posted 11-01-2006 05:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mike Brantley  Send Email to Mike Brantley     
Wow. I'm suffering sticker shock. I was thinking I'd be able to find an appropriate new trailer for my 22 Revenge for a ceiling of $2,000, but maybe that was unrealistic. It looks as though I will be dealing with my own pain-in-the-backside trailer for a while longer, given its relatively infrequent use with a slipped boat.

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