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Buoy posted 10-29-2006 03:30 PM ET (US)
My 88' Outrage has maximum allowable hp of 240. My local Suzuki dealer won't repower with a 250 because it exceeds the max by 10hp. Does this sound right? What are the issues here? Will all the dealers take the same position?
anthonylisske posted 10-29-2006 03:35 PM ET (US)
He is right, he does not want to be legally responsible (voids warranty) BUT, the hell with him. Put on what you want, he may not be the one to make the sale.
jimh posted 10-29-2006 04:35 PM ET (US)
First, congratulations on being the first person in about three years to use the word "issue" in its proper sense.
Re-powering above the recommend maximum horsepower is a FREQUENTLY AKSED QUESTION. See the FAQ:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q6
Also an 88-foot OUTRAGE probably has a higher rating than 240-HP.
anthonylisske posted 10-29-2006 09:10 PM ET (US)
Jim,
always glad to see you being constructive as usual. How's that burgee coming along? Maybe less time mentally mastubating and more time "designing" would be more helpful.
BOB KEMMLER JR posted 10-29-2006 09:51 PM ET (US)
LMAO Anthony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say find another dealer,chances are one will rig a 250 without even worrying about it.Whats the CG based HP rating for that boat?
Perry posted 10-29-2006 10:08 PM ET (US)
If the boat in question is over 20' in length, I don't believe a capacity plate is required. I would remove the plate and have the dealer install the motor.
jimh posted 10-30-2006 01:02 AM ET (US)
anthonylisske writes:

quote:
Jim,
always glad to see you being constructive as usual. How's that burgee coming along? Maybe less time mentally mastubating (sic) and more time "designing" would be more helpful.
Anthony--Has someone stolen your laptop, too?
Binkie posted 10-30-2006 02:21 AM ET (US)
So what is the issue with the word ISSUE??
RJG posted 10-30-2006 09:04 AM ET (US)
Buoy
I hope you can convince your dealer to install that motor. I would like to hear some performance numbers on that 22 Outrage powered by a 4 stroke 250 Suzuki. I am sure our local Suzuki dealership would bolt that motor on in a heartbeat.
RJG posted 10-30-2006 09:05 AM ET (US)
I am assuming you have a 22.
28 Reborn posted 10-30-2006 11:11 AM ET (US)
Ah Jim,
Yet again you treat us to a little snippet of your continuing efforts to establish your obviously superior intellect over the rest of our feeble little minds.
You do excel in the fine art of over-pontification of oral diarrhea.
Would you do us all a favor, old boy, and put your condescension "where the sun don't shine" going forward.
Thanks from myself and I'm sure the rest of the readership...
Boatplans posted 10-30-2006 11:42 PM ET (US)
Hi Binkie.
I too was gratified with the proper usage of the noun “issue” or “issues.” Unfortunately, this word has become a feminist term with devious connotations. An example might be, “She has issues” when more correctly, “She has problems.” It would be a happy conclusion if we could recapture this word for gentlemanly discussions. I offer the definition as a neutral fair word applying herein as follows.
An issue is a point of discussion with presentations of both affirmative and negative positions with the parties freely presenting alternatives, normally without controversy. Once the debate becomes heated, we have a problem, “Excuse me!”
Regarding the maximum power calculations as described in the reference, http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ratedHP.html. The formula provided for calculating maximum horsepower might yield a greater number than 240 for an Outrage. If this design is over 20 feet, there is no legal reason to rate its maximum horsepower anyway.
Here is a question. When the maximum horsepower numbers are rather close, as between 240 and 250 horsepower, by adding a transom jack extension on the stern, for rating purposes, is the transom jack considered part of the boat, or part of the engine? Oh yes, excuse me, the transom jack is painted Oyster Shell white.
Tom W Clark posted 10-30-2006 11:56 PM ET (US)
Most dealers will take the same position on overpowering a Whaler like this, but not all. In the vast majority of states in the US there is nothing to prevent you from overpowering. Insurance may be more difficult but there certainly are insurance companies who insure overpowered boats. I don't see it as a big deal.
Perry,
Boats over 20 don't have to have a maximum horsepower rating but if a manufacturer chooses to rate a boat with a given maximum horsepwer, then there it is. No changing that.
Steve,
You'll get no thanks from me. I suggest you pull your head out of the place "where the sun don't shine" and observe that you are a guest here, a guest of Jim Hebert.
While I do not agree with everything Jim writes or does here, I certainly respect his right to run this site as he sees fit. More to the point he is a friend of mine and I find your comments offensive. If you don't like what you read, go somewhere else.
Boatplans posted 10-31-2006 08:47 PM ET (US)
I agree with Tom W. Clark. Normally, I use the pseudonym Boatplans to remain anonymous in internet discussion groups. In this case, I want the group to know that my name is John W. DeShazo, DMD. I practice dentistry in Huntsville, Alabama. My name is in the telephone book. You are out of line 28 Reborn with your rude language attacking Jim.

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Author	Topic: Max HP allowed 240, repower with 250?
Buoy	posted 10-29-2006 03:30 PM ET (US) My 88' Outrage has maximum allowable hp of 240. My local Suzuki dealer won't repower with a 250 because it exceeds the max by 10hp. Does this sound right? What are the issues here? Will all the dealers take the same position?
anthonylisske	posted 10-29-2006 03:35 PM ET (US) He is right, he does not want to be legally responsible (voids warranty) BUT, the hell with him. Put on what you want, he may not be the one to make the sale.
jimh	posted 10-29-2006 04:35 PM ET (US) First, congratulations on being the first person in about three years to use the word "issue" in its proper sense. Re-powering above the recommend maximum horsepower is a FREQUENTLY AKSED QUESTION. See the FAQ: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/FAQ/#Q6 Also an 88-foot OUTRAGE probably has a higher rating than 240-HP.
anthonylisske	posted 10-29-2006 09:10 PM ET (US) Jim, always glad to see you being constructive as usual. How's that burgee coming along? Maybe less time mentally mastubating and more time "designing" would be more helpful.
BOB KEMMLER JR	posted 10-29-2006 09:51 PM ET (US) LMAO Anthony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I say find another dealer,chances are one will rig a 250 without even worrying about it.Whats the CG based HP rating for that boat?
Perry	posted 10-29-2006 10:08 PM ET (US) If the boat in question is over 20' in length, I don't believe a capacity plate is required. I would remove the plate and have the dealer install the motor.
jimh	posted 10-30-2006 01:02 AM ET (US) anthonylisske writes: quote: Jim, always glad to see you being constructive as usual. How's that burgee coming along? Maybe less time mentally mastubating (sic) and more time "designing" would be more helpful. Anthony--Has someone stolen your laptop, too?
Binkie	posted 10-30-2006 02:21 AM ET (US) So what is the issue with the word ISSUE??
RJG	posted 10-30-2006 09:04 AM ET (US) Buoy I hope you can convince your dealer to install that motor. I would like to hear some performance numbers on that 22 Outrage powered by a 4 stroke 250 Suzuki. I am sure our local Suzuki dealership would bolt that motor on in a heartbeat.
RJG	posted 10-30-2006 09:05 AM ET (US) I am assuming you have a 22.
28 Reborn	posted 10-30-2006 11:11 AM ET (US) Ah Jim, Yet again you treat us to a little snippet of your continuing efforts to establish your obviously superior intellect over the rest of our feeble little minds. You do excel in the fine art of over-pontification of oral diarrhea. Would you do us all a favor, old boy, and put your condescension "where the sun don't shine" going forward. Thanks from myself and I'm sure the rest of the readership...
Boatplans	posted 10-30-2006 11:42 PM ET (US) Hi Binkie. I too was gratified with the proper usage of the noun “issue” or “issues.” Unfortunately, this word has become a feminist term with devious connotations. An example might be, “She has issues” when more correctly, “She has problems.” It would be a happy conclusion if we could recapture this word for gentlemanly discussions. I offer the definition as a neutral fair word applying herein as follows. An issue is a point of discussion with presentations of both affirmative and negative positions with the parties freely presenting alternatives, normally without controversy. Once the debate becomes heated, we have a problem, “Excuse me!” Regarding the maximum power calculations as described in the reference, http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ratedHP.html. The formula provided for calculating maximum horsepower might yield a greater number than 240 for an Outrage. If this design is over 20 feet, there is no legal reason to rate its maximum horsepower anyway. Here is a question. When the maximum horsepower numbers are rather close, as between 240 and 250 horsepower, by adding a transom jack extension on the stern, for rating purposes, is the transom jack considered part of the boat, or part of the engine? Oh yes, excuse me, the transom jack is painted Oyster Shell white.
Tom W Clark	posted 10-30-2006 11:56 PM ET (US) Most dealers will take the same position on overpowering a Whaler like this, but not all. In the vast majority of states in the US there is nothing to prevent you from overpowering. Insurance may be more difficult but there certainly are insurance companies who insure overpowered boats. I don't see it as a big deal. Perry, Boats over 20 don't have to have a maximum horsepower rating but if a manufacturer chooses to rate a boat with a given maximum horsepwer, then there it is. No changing that. Steve, You'll get no thanks from me. I suggest you pull your head out of the place "where the sun don't shine" and observe that you are a guest here, a guest of Jim Hebert. While I do not agree with everything Jim writes or does here, I certainly respect his right to run this site as he sees fit. More to the point he is a friend of mine and I find your comments offensive. If you don't like what you read, go somewhere else.
Boatplans	posted 10-31-2006 08:47 PM ET (US) I agree with Tom W. Clark. Normally, I use the pseudonym Boatplans to remain anonymous in internet discussion groups. In this case, I want the group to know that my name is John W. DeShazo, DMD. I practice dentistry in Huntsville, Alabama. My name is in the telephone book. You are out of line 28 Reborn with your rude language attacking Jim.