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jjandpop posted 01-19-2007 10:34 AM ET (US)   Profile for jjandpop   Send Email to jjandpop  
I am still breaking in a new 2004 Mercury 150-HP carburetor engine on my classic Boston Whaler 1987 Outrage 20. I have a few hours left in the recommended break-in period, and I am still using fuel and oil pre-mixed 50:1.

The last time we were out I ran the engine at wide open throttle for a few minutes to see what the max RPM might be. It turned up at 5,000-RPM and that was it. The propeller I am using is a stainless steel three-blade that I took off my Merc 175 engine before I sold it. I believe it is a 16 X 19P which is the number I took off the propeller.

Does anybody have a suggestion for a proper propeller for this boat and engine combo? Can the existing propeller be reshaped?

Top speed was 42-MPH (GPS). Load was two persons aboard with 50-gallons gas in the internal tank and two 6-gallon tanks sitting on deck. What should I be expecting with the right propeller?

Jim

Tom W Clark posted 01-19-2007 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Jim,

It would be helpful is we really knew what propeller was on there now. A 16x19P doesn't sound right at all. Mercury does not make a prop like that for that motor. 16" is a HUGE diameter for a Mercury 150. In fact, I would not expect it to be able to turn without interference.

I would not fool with modifying the exiting prop. Go out and buy or borrow a Mercury Mirage Plus, 15-1/4" x 19" prop and see what that does...or borrow some other prop in that pitch range and see what happens. Anything that will provide a baseline with a known product.

What set of mounting holes is the motor mounted on? How is the boat handling now?

Tom W Clark posted 01-19-2007 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Actually, I am going to take that back. You should try a prop in the 17" pitch range. A 15-1/2" x 17" Mirage Plus would be good, as would a 14" x 17" Offshore/Vensura or 14-1/4" x 15" Stileto Bay Pro III.
jjandpop posted 01-21-2007 08:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for jjandpop  Send Email to jjandpop     
Tom,
Thanks for the info. I am currently away on a trip and can't verify the numbers on the existing prop. The prop came off a 1987 175 HP carb engine. It had lots of scratch marks as if the boat had been in the water and the prop became encrusted with something and then sanded clean. The numbers are difficult to read.

The engine is mounted one hole up and I do have trim tabs. The boat comes out of the hole fast and onto a plane at about 2000RPM Rpm increases to 3000 as everything settles in. I can bring the rpm back down to 2000 and stay on a plane.

I will remove the prop tomorrow and try to read the numbers stamped on the prop. I am going to town tomorrow to look for a prop to borrow.

Jim

Teak Oil posted 01-21-2007 09:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
I can't see any reason a 20' Outrage would need a 15" diameter prop. Big duameter props are for low speed handling and getting real heavy loads out of the water and on plane.

A 14" or 14.5" diameter prop will have a better top speed and more spirited performance. As Tom suggested a 17" pitch would probably be a good place to start.

JBCornwell posted 01-21-2007 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Boats of a given design differ in rigging and in typical load and trim. Props of a given diameter, pitch and number of blades differ in both thrust and drag.

Cookbook formulae can get most boats satisfactory propping, but if the engine height, boat loading and trim or prop design don't match the parameters of the formula the boat will not be ideally propped.

Propping a boat is like buying shoes. Several parameters can be adjusted to find the ideal fit:
* Within the engines rated operating range, what rpm do you want to reach at WOT with a typical load and trim? This is usually the top rpm in the range, but if you often go a lot lighter than typical load and trim you might want to set it at the middle of the operating range.
* What is the typical load and trim? Not just what you carry, but where. I once had to drop pitch because I had mounted a heavier bow mount troller.
* What X dimension (AV plate height relative to bottom)do you want to use? Typical X dimension is +1", but more will go faster at higher rpm at risk of prop ventilation. If the engine is mounted on a setback or jackplate add at lease 1" for each 4" of setback.
* Some prop manufacturers advertise props for "bow lift" or "stern lift". They may perform as advertised, but I will not vouch for those claims.
* Do you favor accelleration over efficiency? Four and five blade props produce more thrust at the sacrifice of drag and reduced fuel efficiency. Two blade props are more efficient, but prone to cavitation.

Bottom line? Find a dealer who will assist in on the water testing and selection with typical load and trim and preferred rigging.

The Prop Topics forum on iboats.com has several prop specialists who can offer priceless advice on prop selection and rigging for optimum performance and efficiency.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

jimh posted 01-21-2007 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
An OUTRAGE 20 with 150-HP is not going to be a speed demon. I am surprised you are already hitting 42-MPH. I would have expected more like about 38 to 40-MPH top speed.

Thanks for the back story on the previous propeller and how it was previously used. I would be more interested, however, in knowing the gear ratio of your motor. The gear ratio of the motor will be more important in determining the proper propeller.

Perry posted 01-21-2007 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Perry  Send Email to Perry     
42 MPH sounds pretty good for a 150 HP motor on an Outrage 20 with 2 guys and 50 gallons in the internal tank. My question is why the 2 portable tanks? Do you have a kicker mounted on the transom as well? Also what is the maximum RPM range for your motor?
Tom W Clark posted 01-21-2007 01:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
42 MPH sounds about right. Let's look at the data presented thus far and plug it into the Propeller Calculator:

A 2004 Mercury 150 has a gear ratio of 1.87:1 and a redline of 5600 RPM so 42 MPH @ 5000 RPM with a 19" propeller would suggest a slip of 12.7 percent which is perfectly normal.

To get the maximum RPM closer to the top of the WOT range, a reduction in pitch will be in order.

There is no need to visit some other web site to read boiler plate advice about propellers in general when you can get specific recommendations for your Boston Whaler right here from folks who actually own the boats, motors and propellers in question.

jjandpop posted 01-21-2007 02:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for jjandpop  Send Email to jjandpop     
Tom and All,

Good advice so far but let me add something. The existing prop has the following numbers. On hub 48-16316-19, on prop side, Quicksilver, 48 16316 A5 19P.

Also, let me add that the 2 batteries are mounted below consol.

Also, originally the boat/motor had a set-back mount of 23"

Jim

Tom W Clark posted 01-21-2007 03:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Ah. That is an old Mercury stainless steel propeller. Its diameter is more like 14" or 14-1/2". That makes sense now. You definitely do better than that. As I said, try a 17" Mirage Plus of Offshore/Vensura or a 15" Stiletto Advantage II.
JBCornwell posted 01-21-2007 05:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Tom, I object to your derisive remarks about "boiler plate" advice.

If you haven't been there and taken advantage of help from professional prop specialists like Walleyehed and Dale Hadley you are not qualified to make such remarks. If you had been there you wouldn't make such remarks.

If you simply object to getting help anywhere else in addition to CW I wonder if you feel threatened. You have no cause to. Boston Whaler owners who show up on iboats are regularly referred here and even to Tom Clark for specific advice and info on Boston Whaler boats.

Red sky at night. . .
JB

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