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Yiddil posted 02-07-2007 11:10 PM ET (US)
I had another thread going on getting an ETEC for Das BOat when Sal thought she might get 48-49 MPH with the ETEC 150 on her back. Anyone venture to address this, or have any idea what set up(prop) and what might be the correct numbers considering the weight of the Nantucket. It isnt a primary concern(speed) as Im runninga 115 carb right now and getting 36-38 WOT in flat calm, but Sals comments intrigue me to wonder outload and ask the Boat G-ds what they think is reasonable to assume....Not even sure were they will place it (which wholes etc)wondering if there is some way to figure this out....I figured it might be like 5-8 more MPH...44 tops...but....
thanks in advance.....Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
Perry posted 02-08-2007 12:42 AM ET (US)
Henry, I suppose due to all your questions regarding the ETEC and its performance, props etc. you are serious about the repower.
As for performance on a Nantucket, Sal was probably accurate with his estimate of 48-49 MPH. My Honda BF135 pushed my boat to a maximum speed of 46.7 MPH before I installed the T-TOP. highanddry claims 47+ MPH with the 150 Optimax and Sal even said his reached 50 MPH with the Yamaha F150 so I don't see why an ETEC 150 will not have similar performance.
As for props on the Evinrude, I'll leave that up to guys like Tom Clark and Peter who know a lot more than I do.
Yiddil posted 02-08-2007 02:03 AM ET (US)
HI Perry. Yes, I'm still seriously looking at the repower for all the reasons I've mentioned and then some.
I appreciate every one's assistance. It's a lot to consume in a short period of time, but I'm learning.
So it seems reasonable...about what has been said by SAl and others about the MPH with the ETEC 150 and the Nantucket. I have never had that kind of WOT sped with her so I am a bit startled by the amount of speed, and not knowing what she can do with a ETEC 150, I thought I'd ask the Boat G-ds the question and hopefully not sound silly.
I too assume that a 150 should run way fater than the 115carb. I just had no idea how much faster, and then I have heard talk here about people using mercury props, and others on the ETEC so I havn't a clue which will be better or worse...Ill have to try what I have and then adjust from their with who ever does the install.......
But yes, I'm closer to making a decision on if and with whom than I was when i started a week or so ago...:)
Looking forward to hearing from the guys who really know about this better than the novice I am...
by the way 46.7 isnt to shabby either fot the honda 135:))) Always liked your set up:)and of course your water!!!
Thanks henry AKA THE YIDDIL
kamie posted 02-08-2007 10:42 AM ET (US)
Henry,
There is no reason to belive that an E-TEC 150HP on a Nantucket will run faster than the Merc Opti which tops out at 45 MPH on that boat. There is a reason that E-Tecs aren't matched up against Opti's because they won't blow their doors off like they do the Four Strokes. The Opti weights 431 pounds where the E-Tec is 427 pounds, which really isn't that big a difference.
On a boat that weights 1000 pounds less than the Nantucket the E-Tec still only pushes it at 47.6 MPH
Sal A posted 02-10-2007 08:10 PM ET (US)
Your logic makes some sense Kamie. My conjecture had to d with three friends of mine that have repowerwed with the Etec 150hp's, and have sworn that the motor is strong. Knowing that horespower badges on engines can be off as much as 10% (for example the Yamaha F150 ==> 160+hp, and the Yamaha F225 ==> 212hp), my hunch was that the ETEC would get Henry into the high 40's easily. I don't think Henry cares whether he can hammer down at 45mph or 48mph; I'd be curious to see how it would turn out.
I definitely think that should he repower with the Honda BF150, Yamaha F150, Etec150, or Optimax 150, he would enjoy the boat much more; I know I did mine. My own preference is four stroke, and the Honda or the Yamaha specifically, but I don't think he would be unhappy with any of those choices.
Yiddil posted 02-12-2007 10:03 PM ET (US)
Sal,
Your absolutely right. I think going 44-45 or 48-49 is really un-important to me. It's nice to know or have but I dont use Das BOat that way, I never have. In most applications on the bay and river here..., the best of all worlds is usually going 30-35 and just cruising...
I dont think I would spend the money to repower with a Opti 150, as based on everything Ive seen with my 115-2.
I get up on plane almost as well as the 150...
And it is documented with the data tests from Jim...and posted here years ago..."having more torgue at lower engine speeds", and has "quite an edge over the 115 OPTI 113-93....as well...
So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get for Das BOat.
A F150 Yamaha has always been in the mix. But SAl your correct, None of the engines you stated would be a bad experience for me and Das BOat. I only shy away from considering the Verado because of the extreme weight and what Ive heard about her being stern heavy and bow light......not good for me...
As Yogi said, It aint over till its over...:)
Perry posted 02-13-2007 12:14 AM ET (US)

quote:
the best of all worlds is usually going 30-35 and just cruising...
If so, why do you want to spend $15000 for a new motor when your current one will do exactly that?
[QOUTE]So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get[/QUOTE]
Why do you want a top performing motor if you are happy going 30-35 MPH and just cruising?
It just seems like a waste of money to me Henry. The cost savings in fuel will never make up for the initial cost of the repower.
Yiddil posted 02-13-2007 10:09 AM ET (US)
Perry,
I really like the new E-tec. I really think I will enjoy one. It's just got so many things going for it. Less weight. Less fuel and oil consumption. No smoke. Automatic winterization. And then there is the quiet.
I dont think it's about recouping money. I thik its about a really great product( the Honda, Yamaha's are also) and wanting to rigg your boat the way you like. If it was about speed, then I would want to go substantially faster me thinks...getting 4-8 MPH faster is not going froma tortoise to a hare...although on the water 10 mPH is substantial number, its not that huge a difference...
But the rest is ...at least to me...just a better engine in MHO...My 115 carb is not a bad engine, nor is it giving me any problems..but seems to me its a far cry from the others...

"If so, why do you want to spend $15000 for a new motor when your current one will do exactly that?
[QOUTE]So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get[/QUOTE]
Why do you want a top performing motor if you are happy going 30-35 MPH and just cruising?"
Perry, because I feel I can and choose at this stage in my life to do what ever makes me happy, because life is to short not to. when you almost die you realize that even more and I just decided if there is something I want to try or do, just go and do it...remember a year ago, I was in a coma!
It has never been for me about pure speed or performance...I think Das BOat would be happy with any of them (engines)including the one on her. I would be happy with any of them and I am stil pleased with the way Das BOat runs even now. But I also know that I would be a bit silly to belive that my 115 carb is a better engine for Das BOat than any other hehe. If she runs good with the 115 carb, , how much better would she run with one of the other 150s we have mentioned...:)
Remains to be seen:)) but based on everything everyone has stated, including you, she would run sweet with another engine:) WHats wrong with going 35 in a ETEC anyway? hehe No one is doing 48 all the time in all kinds of seas, so that "Blowing the doors off" stuff can only go so far:)I bet most people ontheir boats are cruising 90 percent of the time just like me. Yes, they do drop there foot down every so ofter, but mostly, its cruising . Im willing to bet on it...You can only go as fast as the elements will let you:)
Yiddil posted 02-13-2007 10:18 AM ET (US)
Ooops Im sorry...Performance to me is not equated with just speed perry...might be samantiics here...but I look at performance to be all of the above...Less weight. Less fuel and oil consumption. No smoke. Automatic winterization. And then there is the quiet, and of course maitanance, speed, etc...
Its like ..why do people buy a Lexas when they can own a Yugo....they both get you their....just different modes of trans. Neither can go faster than the traffic and road conditions will allow, but you alone choose which way you would like to get their:)
Its funny but sometimes I would choose a Yugo in my life, and at other a Lexas...:)))My 115 is not a Yugo...dont go their:)) LOL
Perry posted 02-13-2007 12:12 PM ET (US)
Well Henry if a new ETEC will make you and your boat happy then I suppose that is all that matters. Enjoy life while you can.
I guess your defination of performance is different than mine. BTW isn't your 115 carbed 2 stroke lighter than a 150 ETEC?
Yiddil posted 02-13-2007 08:18 PM ET (US)
Perry, I knew you would see it my way:) wink:)
I belive the 115 is lighter by like 25 LBS...or in that neighborhood...but 150 VS 115 thats a different horse of any color:)
I guess I should have used the term overall performance features...
In my mind, the ETEC seems to be the engine with the best overall performance features...
It still remains to be seen if it can continue in the vain after all the 3 years maint. reports start coming in...that jury is still out, but I'm guessing we will find out soon enough...Bucka should be doing his twins soon....
My Best, HEnry
Buckda posted 02-13-2007 09:50 PM ET (US)
The twins should hit 300 hours this fall.
Just for the record, the E-TEC consumes oil while the 4-strokes do not, so oil consumption is not a strong point, although it is a very small amount of oil consumed compared to previous "oil injected" two strokes.
Also - I heartily concur with Kamie's post above.
To me, the question you have is not about the E-TEC, for the performance diference, in terms of WOT speed, will be very similar for all brands and technologies of 150 HP outboard.
Your question, and repower decision, must therefore be based on the decision to up-power your boat from a 115 to a 150 HP motor. THAT is the performance question.
The BRAND or technology question is evaluated on different parameters, in my opinion.
Henry - I wish you nothing but luck in your repower endeavor. I think the E-TEC 150 will be a fabulous match for your boat, and I know you will be happy with it.
Dave
Buckda posted 02-13-2007 09:55 PM ET (US)
The twins should hit 300 hours this fall.
Just for the record, the E-TEC consumes oil while the 4-strokes do not, so oil consumption is not a strong point, although it is a very small amount of oil consumed compared to previous "oil injected" two strokes.
Also - I heartily concur with Kamie's post above.
To me, the question you have is not about the E-TEC, for the performance diference, in terms of WOT speed, will be very similar for all brands and technologies of 150 HP outboard.
Your question, and repower decision, must therefore be based on the decision to up-power your boat from a 115 to a 150 HP motor. THAT is the performance question.
The BRAND or technology question is evaluated on different parameters, in my opinion.
Henry - I wish you nothing but luck in your repower endeavor. I think the E-TEC 150 will be a fabulous match for your boat, and I know you will be happy with it.
Dave
Yiddil posted 04-02-2010 08:32 PM ET (US)
Well this is an old thread and after 3 years and looking each year, but failing to get this done, I am finally going to sell my engine and repower with that ETEC 150
I a nice person found me and wants to by my merc at a fair price.And I got a fair price on an etec 150., and I get the promotionals because it will be a done deal before 15 April.
Each year for the past three years or so, I have worked hard to find that elusive balance between a good seller and a good buyer and Im happy to say we are both going to be very happy people tomorrow morning.
I am thrilled to be able to get that dream engine I always wanted.I can't wait to take her out for the first time. I have been warned to watch out as that trottle will push me back on my backside!
It was just a matter of time and I don't give up easily.
If all works out I will have my Merc derigged and re-rigged with the ETEC starting Monday, after I close the deal tomorrow morning.
I cant say enough about that Merc I have had on Das Boat.
What a great engine, economical and never a wimper of trouble ever. I loved that engine, but really wanted to try that ETEC. When you get to be a certain age, you don't
put things off for latter, at least I don't.
I am not sure what prop should go on her so any constructive help I can get there would be helpful and I thank you in advance.I know there is some kind of formula somewhere to figure that out, but I also know Tom and some other have a lot of knowledge so some asistance is appreciated.
I have the biggest smile on my face as I write this:)))
"Its been a long time coming"
Henry

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Author	Topic: 190 Nanucket with E-TEC 150
Yiddil	posted 02-07-2007 11:10 PM ET (US) I had another thread going on getting an ETEC for Das BOat when Sal thought she might get 48-49 MPH with the ETEC 150 on her back. Anyone venture to address this, or have any idea what set up(prop) and what might be the correct numbers considering the weight of the Nantucket. It isnt a primary concern(speed) as Im runninga 115 carb right now and getting 36-38 WOT in flat calm, but Sals comments intrigue me to wonder outload and ask the Boat G-ds what they think is reasonable to assume....Not even sure were they will place it (which wholes etc)wondering if there is some way to figure this out....I figured it might be like 5-8 more MPH...44 tops...but.... thanks in advance.....Henry AKA THE YIDDIL
Perry	posted 02-08-2007 12:42 AM ET (US) Henry, I suppose due to all your questions regarding the ETEC and its performance, props etc. you are serious about the repower. As for performance on a Nantucket, Sal was probably accurate with his estimate of 48-49 MPH. My Honda BF135 pushed my boat to a maximum speed of 46.7 MPH before I installed the T-TOP. highanddry claims 47+ MPH with the 150 Optimax and Sal even said his reached 50 MPH with the Yamaha F150 so I don't see why an ETEC 150 will not have similar performance. As for props on the Evinrude, I'll leave that up to guys like Tom Clark and Peter who know a lot more than I do.
Yiddil	posted 02-08-2007 02:03 AM ET (US) HI Perry. Yes, I'm still seriously looking at the repower for all the reasons I've mentioned and then some. I appreciate every one's assistance. It's a lot to consume in a short period of time, but I'm learning. So it seems reasonable...about what has been said by SAl and others about the MPH with the ETEC 150 and the Nantucket. I have never had that kind of WOT sped with her so I am a bit startled by the amount of speed, and not knowing what she can do with a ETEC 150, I thought I'd ask the Boat G-ds the question and hopefully not sound silly. I too assume that a 150 should run way fater than the 115carb. I just had no idea how much faster, and then I have heard talk here about people using mercury props, and others on the ETEC so I havn't a clue which will be better or worse...Ill have to try what I have and then adjust from their with who ever does the install....... But yes, I'm closer to making a decision on if and with whom than I was when i started a week or so ago...:) Looking forward to hearing from the guys who really know about this better than the novice I am... by the way 46.7 isnt to shabby either fot the honda 135:))) Always liked your set up:)and of course your water!!! Thanks henry AKA THE YIDDIL
kamie	posted 02-08-2007 10:42 AM ET (US) Henry, There is no reason to belive that an E-TEC 150HP on a Nantucket will run faster than the Merc Opti which tops out at 45 MPH on that boat. There is a reason that E-Tecs aren't matched up against Opti's because they won't blow their doors off like they do the Four Strokes. The Opti weights 431 pounds where the E-Tec is 427 pounds, which really isn't that big a difference. On a boat that weights 1000 pounds less than the Nantucket the E-Tec still only pushes it at 47.6 MPH
Sal A	posted 02-10-2007 08:10 PM ET (US) Your logic makes some sense Kamie. My conjecture had to d with three friends of mine that have repowerwed with the Etec 150hp's, and have sworn that the motor is strong. Knowing that horespower badges on engines can be off as much as 10% (for example the Yamaha F150 ==> 160+hp, and the Yamaha F225 ==> 212hp), my hunch was that the ETEC would get Henry into the high 40's easily. I don't think Henry cares whether he can hammer down at 45mph or 48mph; I'd be curious to see how it would turn out. I definitely think that should he repower with the Honda BF150, Yamaha F150, Etec150, or Optimax 150, he would enjoy the boat much more; I know I did mine. My own preference is four stroke, and the Honda or the Yamaha specifically, but I don't think he would be unhappy with any of those choices.
Yiddil	posted 02-12-2007 10:03 PM ET (US) Sal, Your absolutely right. I think going 44-45 or 48-49 is really un-important to me. It's nice to know or have but I dont use Das BOat that way, I never have. In most applications on the bay and river here..., the best of all worlds is usually going 30-35 and just cruising... I dont think I would spend the money to repower with a Opti 150, as based on everything Ive seen with my 115-2. I get up on plane almost as well as the 150... And it is documented with the data tests from Jim...and posted here years ago..."having more torgue at lower engine speeds", and has "quite an edge over the 115 OPTI 113-93....as well... So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get for Das BOat. A F150 Yamaha has always been in the mix. But SAl your correct, None of the engines you stated would be a bad experience for me and Das BOat. I only shy away from considering the Verado because of the extreme weight and what Ive heard about her being stern heavy and bow light......not good for me... As Yogi said, It aint over till its over...:)
Perry	posted 02-13-2007 12:14 AM ET (US) quote: the best of all worlds is usually going 30-35 and just cruising... If so, why do you want to spend $15000 for a new motor when your current one will do exactly that? [QOUTE]So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get[/QUOTE] Why do you want a top performing motor if you are happy going 30-35 MPH and just cruising? It just seems like a waste of money to me Henry. The cost savings in fuel will never make up for the initial cost of the repower.
Yiddil	posted 02-13-2007 10:09 AM ET (US) Perry, I really like the new E-tec. I really think I will enjoy one. It's just got so many things going for it. Less weight. Less fuel and oil consumption. No smoke. Automatic winterization. And then there is the quiet. I dont think it's about recouping money. I thik its about a really great product( the Honda, Yamaha's are also) and wanting to rigg your boat the way you like. If it was about speed, then I would want to go substantially faster me thinks...getting 4-8 MPH faster is not going froma tortoise to a hare...although on the water 10 mPH is substantial number, its not that huge a difference... But the rest is ...at least to me...just a better engine in MHO...My 115 carb is not a bad engine, nor is it giving me any problems..but seems to me its a far cry from the others... "If so, why do you want to spend $15000 for a new motor when your current one will do exactly that? [QOUTE]So the issue remains and continues to be which one of the top performers would I like to get[/QUOTE] Why do you want a top performing motor if you are happy going 30-35 MPH and just cruising?" Perry, because I feel I can and choose at this stage in my life to do what ever makes me happy, because life is to short not to. when you almost die you realize that even more and I just decided if there is something I want to try or do, just go and do it...remember a year ago, I was in a coma! It has never been for me about pure speed or performance...I think Das BOat would be happy with any of them (engines)including the one on her. I would be happy with any of them and I am stil pleased with the way Das BOat runs even now. But I also know that I would be a bit silly to belive that my 115 carb is a better engine for Das BOat than any other hehe. If she runs good with the 115 carb, , how much better would she run with one of the other 150s we have mentioned...:) Remains to be seen:)) but based on everything everyone has stated, including you, she would run sweet with another engine:) WHats wrong with going 35 in a ETEC anyway? hehe No one is doing 48 all the time in all kinds of seas, so that "Blowing the doors off" stuff can only go so far:)I bet most people ontheir boats are cruising 90 percent of the time just like me. Yes, they do drop there foot down every so ofter, but mostly, its cruising . Im willing to bet on it...You can only go as fast as the elements will let you:)
Yiddil	posted 02-13-2007 10:18 AM ET (US) Ooops Im sorry...Performance to me is not equated with just speed perry...might be samantiics here...but I look at performance to be all of the above...Less weight. Less fuel and oil consumption. No smoke. Automatic winterization. And then there is the quiet, and of course maitanance, speed, etc... Its like ..why do people buy a Lexas when they can own a Yugo....they both get you their....just different modes of trans. Neither can go faster than the traffic and road conditions will allow, but you alone choose which way you would like to get their:) Its funny but sometimes I would choose a Yugo in my life, and at other a Lexas...:)))My 115 is not a Yugo...dont go their:)) LOL
Perry	posted 02-13-2007 12:12 PM ET (US) Well Henry if a new ETEC will make you and your boat happy then I suppose that is all that matters. Enjoy life while you can. I guess your defination of performance is different than mine. BTW isn't your 115 carbed 2 stroke lighter than a 150 ETEC?
Yiddil	posted 02-13-2007 08:18 PM ET (US) Perry, I knew you would see it my way:) wink:) I belive the 115 is lighter by like 25 LBS...or in that neighborhood...but 150 VS 115 thats a different horse of any color:) I guess I should have used the term overall performance features... In my mind, the ETEC seems to be the engine with the best overall performance features... It still remains to be seen if it can continue in the vain after all the 3 years maint. reports start coming in...that jury is still out, but I'm guessing we will find out soon enough...Bucka should be doing his twins soon.... My Best, HEnry
Buckda	posted 02-13-2007 09:50 PM ET (US) The twins should hit 300 hours this fall. Just for the record, the E-TEC consumes oil while the 4-strokes do not, so oil consumption is not a strong point, although it is a very small amount of oil consumed compared to previous "oil injected" two strokes. Also - I heartily concur with Kamie's post above. To me, the question you have is not about the E-TEC, for the performance diference, in terms of WOT speed, will be very similar for all brands and technologies of 150 HP outboard. Your question, and repower decision, must therefore be based on the decision to up-power your boat from a 115 to a 150 HP motor. THAT is the performance question. The BRAND or technology question is evaluated on different parameters, in my opinion. Henry - I wish you nothing but luck in your repower endeavor. I think the E-TEC 150 will be a fabulous match for your boat, and I know you will be happy with it. Dave
Buckda	posted 02-13-2007 09:55 PM ET (US) The twins should hit 300 hours this fall. Just for the record, the E-TEC consumes oil while the 4-strokes do not, so oil consumption is not a strong point, although it is a very small amount of oil consumed compared to previous "oil injected" two strokes. Also - I heartily concur with Kamie's post above. To me, the question you have is not about the E-TEC, for the performance diference, in terms of WOT speed, will be very similar for all brands and technologies of 150 HP outboard. Your question, and repower decision, must therefore be based on the decision to up-power your boat from a 115 to a 150 HP motor. THAT is the performance question. The BRAND or technology question is evaluated on different parameters, in my opinion. Henry - I wish you nothing but luck in your repower endeavor. I think the E-TEC 150 will be a fabulous match for your boat, and I know you will be happy with it. Dave
Yiddil	posted 04-02-2010 08:32 PM ET (US) Well this is an old thread and after 3 years and looking each year, but failing to get this done, I am finally going to sell my engine and repower with that ETEC 150 I a nice person found me and wants to by my merc at a fair price.And I got a fair price on an etec 150., and I get the promotionals because it will be a done deal before 15 April. Each year for the past three years or so, I have worked hard to find that elusive balance between a good seller and a good buyer and Im happy to say we are both going to be very happy people tomorrow morning. I am thrilled to be able to get that dream engine I always wanted.I can't wait to take her out for the first time. I have been warned to watch out as that trottle will push me back on my backside! It was just a matter of time and I don't give up easily. If all works out I will have my Merc derigged and re-rigged with the ETEC starting Monday, after I close the deal tomorrow morning. I cant say enough about that Merc I have had on Das Boat. What a great engine, economical and never a wimper of trouble ever. I loved that engine, but really wanted to try that ETEC. When you get to be a certain age, you don't put things off for latter, at least I don't. I am not sure what prop should go on her so any constructive help I can get there would be helpful and I thank you in advance.I know there is some kind of formula somewhere to figure that out, but I also know Tom and some other have a lot of knowledge so some asistance is appreciated. I have the biggest smile on my face as I write this:))) "Its been a long time coming" Henry