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JayR posted 03-04-2007 05:37 PM ET (US)
I recently got a quote of $5400 per engine for the 90 HP E-TEC's. $10,800 installed.
The 90's are not available with counter rotation.
What is the consensus on two engines both right hand drive?
Will it be all right?

Teak Oil posted 03-04-2007 05:41 PM ET (US)
Sure it will be all right. The boat will be harder to trun in one direction, unless you have hydraulic steering.
Also boats with counter rotation tend to be a little faster than those without, maybe a mph or two.
The engines won't overheat or cavitate if that is what you are worried about. Buckda's 90's are probably mounted a little closer than yours will be and he has no issues.
Bulldog posted 03-04-2007 11:59 PM ET (US)
I have twin 70 Hp engines , no problem, but hydraulic steering is the way to go, that is a real good price!Do they have similar prices on the 75Hp?.............Jack
JayR posted 03-05-2007 07:34 AM ET (US)
Pricing across the board is similar, although it jumps to $10,900 for the 115 HP.
Interestingly, we went to a small boat show yesterday and asked for pricing. We were told things were slow and that this particular dealer was selling at dealer cost. I proceeded to had us a "Confidential US Dealer Base 2007 Model Price List", a copy of which can be seen here: http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/BigJayR/boating/E-TECPricing.jpg
Note the $8246 price... It did not include anything. That was just the price of the motor. Needless to say, we chuckled to ourselves and made a beeline to the door.
Tom W Clark posted 03-05-2007 12:24 PM ET (US)
There is nothing unusual or wrong about a pair of right hand rotation 90 HP motors.
JayR posted 03-05-2007 12:38 PM ET (US)
Thanks Tom,
I'm having a hard time getting my partner to take his wallet out.....
I may just have to buy him out and do it alone....
If I were to do it, what would be a realistic price for me to sell the refurbed Guardian 20" with brand new 90 E-TEC's
Anyone dare to take a guess?
JayR posted 03-05-2007 03:19 PM ET (US)
Bubble just popped!!!!
Dealer called and informed us the price was incorrect....
Snoozed and lost...
Waiting for a call back on the "correct" price.
Some beach!!!!!!!!!!!
Teak Oil posted 03-05-2007 03:36 PM ET (US)
$100 more for 115's was definitely too good to be true.
I would buy ten and put them on eBay.
JayR posted 03-05-2007 05:05 PM ET (US)
$10,900 is the correct price for a single 115 installed.
The $5400 for the 90 was the wrong one. Salesman was scratching his head. He could not explain how he made the mistake.
Sure wish they already had my deposit when they figured it out LOL.....
Buckda posted 03-05-2007 05:29 PM ET (US)
Jay -
That is what I thought, though I didn't want to jinx your good fortune if it was true! I was actually discussing your deal today over lunch with a friend. My speculation was that perhaps you were getting a 'remanufactured' motor from the factory - or a backdoor deal from a disgruntled worker!
The price he'll come back with should be in the ballpark of 30 percent higher than the price quoted (installed).
Good luck - that 20 will be great with twin 90's on her.
Dave
Teak Oil posted 03-05-2007 06:40 PM ET (US)
Oh, I thought you meant TWIN 115's for $10,900, lol.
JayR posted 03-05-2007 07:44 PM ET (US)
Buckda, I'm not doing twins now....
Back to square one. Suzuki 175 perhaps.
I wonder if the $5400 was their price from the manufacturer and the were looking at the wrong sheet to quote us??? I know for certain the 1st quote came off a sheet the secretary was reading from....

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Author	Topic: 20' Guardian 1988 Re-Power
JayR	posted 03-04-2007 05:37 PM ET (US) I recently got a quote of $5400 per engine for the 90 HP E-TEC's. $10,800 installed. The 90's are not available with counter rotation. What is the consensus on two engines both right hand drive? Will it be all right?
Teak Oil	posted 03-04-2007 05:41 PM ET (US) Sure it will be all right. The boat will be harder to trun in one direction, unless you have hydraulic steering. Also boats with counter rotation tend to be a little faster than those without, maybe a mph or two. The engines won't overheat or cavitate if that is what you are worried about. Buckda's 90's are probably mounted a little closer than yours will be and he has no issues.
Bulldog	posted 03-04-2007 11:59 PM ET (US) I have twin 70 Hp engines , no problem, but hydraulic steering is the way to go, that is a real good price!Do they have similar prices on the 75Hp?.............Jack
JayR	posted 03-05-2007 07:34 AM ET (US) Pricing across the board is similar, although it jumps to $10,900 for the 115 HP. Interestingly, we went to a small boat show yesterday and asked for pricing. We were told things were slow and that this particular dealer was selling at dealer cost. I proceeded to had us a "Confidential US Dealer Base 2007 Model Price List", a copy of which can be seen here: http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h211/BigJayR/boating/E-TECPricing.jpg Note the $8246 price... It did not include anything. That was just the price of the motor. Needless to say, we chuckled to ourselves and made a beeline to the door.
Tom W Clark	posted 03-05-2007 12:24 PM ET (US) There is nothing unusual or wrong about a pair of right hand rotation 90 HP motors.
JayR	posted 03-05-2007 12:38 PM ET (US) Thanks Tom, I'm having a hard time getting my partner to take his wallet out..... I may just have to buy him out and do it alone.... If I were to do it, what would be a realistic price for me to sell the refurbed Guardian 20" with brand new 90 E-TEC's Anyone dare to take a guess?
JayR	posted 03-05-2007 03:19 PM ET (US) Bubble just popped!!!! Dealer called and informed us the price was incorrect.... Snoozed and lost... Waiting for a call back on the "correct" price. Some beach!!!!!!!!!!!
Teak Oil	posted 03-05-2007 03:36 PM ET (US) $100 more for 115's was definitely too good to be true. I would buy ten and put them on eBay.
JayR	posted 03-05-2007 05:05 PM ET (US) $10,900 is the correct price for a single 115 installed. The $5400 for the 90 was the wrong one. Salesman was scratching his head. He could not explain how he made the mistake. Sure wish they already had my deposit when they figured it out LOL.....
Buckda	posted 03-05-2007 05:29 PM ET (US) Jay - That is what I thought, though I didn't want to jinx your good fortune if it was true! I was actually discussing your deal today over lunch with a friend. My speculation was that perhaps you were getting a 'remanufactured' motor from the factory - or a backdoor deal from a disgruntled worker! The price he'll come back with should be in the ballpark of 30 percent higher than the price quoted (installed). Good luck - that 20 will be great with twin 90's on her. Dave
Teak Oil	posted 03-05-2007 06:40 PM ET (US) Oh, I thought you meant TWIN 115's for $10,900, lol.
JayR	posted 03-05-2007 07:44 PM ET (US) Buckda, I'm not doing twins now.... Back to square one. Suzuki 175 perhaps. I wonder if the $5400 was their price from the manufacturer and the were looking at the wrong sheet to quote us??? I know for certain the 1st quote came off a sheet the secretary was reading from....