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tesija posted 05-28-2008 09:54 PM ET (US)   Profile for tesija   Send Email to tesija  
I'm looking for an expert opinion from all of you propeller heads out there. What size and pitch four-blade propeller do you recommend for a 1999 Boston Whaler Conquest 21 with a hard top that runs most of the time fully loaded with passengers, fuel, supplies, etc., and is powered by a 200-HP OptiMax. I'd like to optimize running speed and fuel economy.
Tom W Clark posted 05-29-2008 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
If four blades and fuel economy are your criteria, then the 14-5/8" x 15" Mercury REVOLUTION4 or the 14" x 17" VenSura are the props to try.

If you would consider the three blades (which can often yield better fuel economy) then try the 15-1/2" x 17" Mercury MIRAGEplus or the 14-1/4" x 18" Mercury Enertia a try.

Bella con23 posted 05-29-2008 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bella con23  Send Email to Bella con23     
tesija – My son and I just tested both props this past weekend on our 23 Conquest with a Merc. 225.

I have been running the 14.5x15” Revolution 4 on the boat since I bought it two years ago next month. The boat came with the MIRAGEplus 15.5x17” but never saw the water with my ownership.

The results of the testing were that these two props where very similar in top speed with the Mirage inching out 43mph vs. 42 for the Rev.4.

The big difference was the most troubling for me and that was the fact that the Mirage would only allow the engine to turn 4600rpm vs. 5150 for the Rev. 4. I know the previous owner (my neighboor) spun more than one hub with the Mirage in place.

Fuel consumption was 26.5gph wide open throttle for the Rev. 4, and 23 for the Mirage due to the rpm difference I’m sure.

As far as handling goes, I had to revert to the pilot, my 16 year old, who has clock well over a hundred hours handling the boat in many different conditions. He thought that the Mirage was allowing the boat to “skip around” on the surface of the water as compared to the Rev. 4 which Nick said felt more “connected.”

He compared the two props as running on bald tire vs. brand new tires. I'll stick with the Rev. 4 for now.
Joe

tesija posted 05-29-2008 08:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for tesija  Send Email to tesija     
Thanx guys. Any other input from owners with simmilar setups is welcome.
28 Reborn posted 05-31-2008 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for 28 Reborn  Send Email to 28 Reborn     
The most notable performance differences between 3 and 4 blade props are usually in the low to mid speed operating ranges.

I tested 5 different props on my 28 Outrage in very controlled and closely noted performance tests (which are posted on this site from 1 1/2 years ago)and the differences were remarkable.

Most impressive was the 4-Blade prop's abilities to lift the boat onto plane at far-lower speeds than the Mirage 3-Blade, maintain a clean plane at lower speeds with heavier loads, and stay "Hooked-Up" with the water SO MUCH BETTER than 3-blade screws when running offshore in 3-4 ft seas.

Top end sacrifice was 1.5 MPH...a happy trade for the greatly improved flexibility across the operating range of the boat.

Before 4 blade props boat was a PIG under 20 MPH. Now she is GREAT from 14 MPH on up to 42!

(twin 225 Opti's on 28' x 10'4" hull, Weight full is nearly 10,000 Lbs)

jimh posted 05-31-2008 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It is hard to optimize two parameters at once, and particularly when they are speed and fuel economy, as those two tend to be related in an inverse manner.

Most speed tests are done in calm water and at wide-open throttle, but in operating a boat it is not often seen that you get dead calm seas and the need to run at wide open throttle. I'd opt for best fuel economy and try to combine it with good boat handling in moderate seas, and I would gladly give up a bit of ultimate top speed when running in flat seas as the trade-off.

tesija posted 05-31-2008 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for tesija  Send Email to tesija     
Is there any difference between the 14-5/8"x15" and the 14-1/2"x15" Rev 4 mentioned earlier?
Tom W Clark posted 05-31-2008 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
There are a lot of different propellers out there. They are not all the same. There are a lot of four bladed propellers out there. They are not all the same. To make generalized comments about four bladed props versus three bladed props is meaningless.

There is no such thing as a 14-1/2" X 15" Mercury Revolution 4. All Mercury Revolution 4 propellers have a 14-5/8" diameter.

Bella con23 posted 05-31-2008 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bella con23  Send Email to Bella con23     
It's 14-5/8". My mistake.
Joe
Backlash posted 06-01-2008 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
tesija,

I agree with Tom's recommendation to try either the 14-5/8" x 15" Revolution 4 or the 14" x 17" VenSura/Offshore props. Either of these will give you the stern lift these post-classics desperately need.

I also agree with 28 Reborn's assessment of the 4-bladed props ability to get the boat on plane at slower speeds, etc.

I have a 1991 21' Walkaround (with radar arch) powered with a 1992 200 HP Yamaha 2-stroke. I believe it is very similar to your Conquest length and weight-wise. You probably have a slight power advantage with the Opti.

I have been running a 14" x 17" Offshore (same as the VenSura) prop now for several years and, IMO, it is the best thing since sliced bread for this rig. Prior to this I ran a 17" black SS "elephant ear" Yamaha that would turn 5500 RPM's, but had sluggish performance out of the hole. I tried a 19" Laser II (actually more like a 20" prop) and performance did improve, but it would only turn around 5000 RPM.

One day a good boating friend of mine let me try his new 17” Offshore prop. The Walkaround was like a new boat! The hole shot was much improved without having to resort to full throttle and mid-range acceleration was instantaneous. With a light load top speed was 43 – 44 MPH at 5700 RPM. This prop had the medium sized vent plugs installed which allowed the prop to initially slip, until the engine RPM’s increase, then it hooks up and the acceleration is simply amazing.

These props all come with the solid vent plugs installed. I suggest buying the medium vent plugs (about $1.00/each) and trying the prop with the solid plugs and with the vented ones. I have not tried the solid plugs, as they were replaced with the vented ones when I initially installed the prop.

I have not tried the Revolution 4 prop, but jimH was testing one the day I tried the Offshore. Comparing the two, the Revolution 4 is heavier and looks massive next to the Offshore with much thicker blades. Your Opti may be able to spin this prop just fine. I’m not sure my Yamaha would.

Good luck!

Steve

tesija posted 06-01-2008 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for tesija  Send Email to tesija     
Thanx guys for the input. If anyone has more info, or additional advice, please feel free to contribute before I make the purchase.
tesija posted 06-01-2008 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for tesija  Send Email to tesija     
OK, one more question-what is the principal difference, if any, between Mercury's Rev 4 and Vensura props?

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