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68 WhaleR posted 04-21-2009 01:59 PM ET (US)
What are the options on a re-power of [a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18] for as low [cost] as possilbe but still be semi-reliable [and be at least 115-HP]? I know there are some good used motors out there and I think my budget would be $5,000.
Hey. I [may buy] a 1984 Outrage 18 that has a 1984 Yamaha 150 motor with a blown powerhead but good lower unit.
Thanks for your help,
Erick
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2009 02:06 PM ET (US)
Read my post in the Marketplace. A new Yamaha 115 4 stroke for $5900 and you would use your existing rigging. Being in NC you have tons of options considering within a 8hour ride you can buy in FL or Va which both have reasonably priced motors. You can buy a used 115 4 stoke for under $5k that is only a couple years old. There is a new 115 optimax near me for $6k with all the rigging I believe. Do your homework, you'll find plenty of new/newer engines in that range. Heck you could find a new in box conventional 2 smoke leftover for what you want to spend or less. I saw a new 2004 90 for $4k, a 115 should be like 4500.
68 WhaleR posted 04-21-2009 02:17 PM ET (US)
thanks, Going to look at the 18 outrage in Belmont. Looks rough and is a custom job. It would work for me, Just seeing what my options with motors would be. My sceptical frind said it would be 6k to rebuild the power head but I think that is a bunch of you know what. Just want to make sure I can afford a motor if I get the boat. I would love to take a outboard motor class if there was one near me. I love working on motors. I have vw's and a old tractor that I work on. How is replacing a powerhead? Might just go with a newer 115 like you said If I can find the website.
I have another guy here that knows boats pretty well and am talking to him about my options.
thanks
Erick
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2009 02:23 PM ET (US)
Honestly don't even THINK about rebuilding that powerhead. That is a fisrt year Yamaha and they liked to use dissimilar metals and no never seize. A V6 rebuild is usually around $3k installed, yours would probably be $6k due to all the broken bolts and helicoils it would take to put it back together. Not to mention the famous rusty steering arms and throttle linkage. I would be amazed that you would be able to get the powerhead off, much less apart....fresh or salt water use. A 115 will give you 40+ where a 150 will fetch you around 48+. Many here are fond of their 115hp 18's as would I be.
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2009 02:28 PM ET (US)
http://lakeland.craigslist.org/boa/1126454626.html
Peter posted 04-21-2009 02:33 PM ET (US)
For 5k or less, I would be looking for late 1990s early 2000s carbureted Evinrude/Johnson 150. Light weight, very quiet for a 2-stroke V6 and really "packs a punch". In my view, this was a motor that was practically made for the 18 Outrage.
jimh posted 04-21-2009 02:48 PM ET (US)
All outboard motors, particularly used outboard motors, are "semi-reliable," so you will not have to make too much discrimination on that point.
Given today's marketplace, you should not have a problem finding a motor for $5,000 or less that is 115-HP or more.
Tohsgib posted 04-21-2009 02:50 PM ET (US)
The early 80's 18's had some wavy hull problems, some were fixed, some were not. Not a structural risk but cosmetic. It better be cheap(way under $5k, more like $3k) or keep looking. Had a guy down here with a 18 and 115 newly rebuilt for $6k that was in decent shape and had a $3k rebuild on her engine.
68 WhaleR posted 04-21-2009 02:58 PM ET (US)
I am looking at the $3900 one i Belmont. I figure at that price I can get a rebuilt or nearly new repower for it. It is only just a hour away from me.
www.usedboats.com/boat-ad/display/ad_id/105958761
If you know of a good deal on a 17ft to 21 ft Outrage for cheap with a good motor let me know. I have 4k now to play with and more later. Just can't jump into a 6k plus boat yet. but I can have this one now while I clean it up and hunt for a motor.
Tohsgib posted 04-22-2009 11:34 AM ET (US)
Try for $3k and you got a great deal.
68 WhaleR posted 04-22-2009 12:24 PM ET (US)
Will do. I will let you know how it comes out. [Changed topic to discuss which section of the website hosts what topics. Please see the guidelines for topic areas.--jimh]
68 WhaleR posted 04-22-2009 10:32 PM ET (US)
[I] just got back from looking at my new Outrage 18. I was extra excited to see the hull was in original non-painted gel coat gray! It is a 1984; HIN is BWC6971AM84A. The [seller] said it was the same that the Navy used. I will pick it up Saturday. It was a California boat originally and customized there back in 1984. It has done several trips to Catalina Island with no problems. Now to get it home and then to think about a motor for it.
It motor is a 1984 Yamaha 150. Can all Yamaha motors use their older cables? Did Yamaha change [the design of their cables] after a certain year? I don't want to re-do the cables, but I will, if I have too. Thanks--erick
jimh posted 04-23-2009 05:33 AM ET (US)
Congratulations on the new boat. You should begin a new topic for these new questions you have which are now specific to your 1984 Yamaha 150-HP motor.
jimh posted 04-23-2009 05:34 AM ET (US)
If you are seeking advice on repairs or modifications, move the discussion to REPAIRS/MODS.
68 WhaleR posted 04-23-2009 07:45 AM ET (US)
Thanks Jim! I will start new threads later this weekend when I pick it up! lol! I have been lurking for so long here that I can't believe I am actually get something bigger than my 13!
later
Erick
Tohsgib posted 04-23-2009 11:11 AM ET (US)
Cables will interchange but that is a small price($75) when considering a repower. Plus amny cable are universal, you just buy new ends to fit each engine.
What did ya pay?
68 WhaleR posted 04-23-2009 01:24 PM ET (US)
$3900. It was cleaned up better than the photos. It looks like a Guardian Hull. The trailer has 4 new tires, He had just put in a new 63 gal. fuel tank before the motor blew. Batterys seen not too old either. I really like the mega seating arrangement he had. We usualy just cruse arround with the little kids we have. But also have top. Ski pole will be handy later when the kids get bigger.
I am just happy about it, could I pressure him down a few hundred, maybe but I feel good, he feels good and I get a boat I always wanted Sat! LOL!

Oh by the way, since this is the performance section.
Since it has a old 150 hp Yamaha that is in need of help, Could I get similar performance from a lower HP model like Etec 4 stroke or similar modern Yamaha? Basicly a newer motor that is more effecient that the older one and possible ligther? Repower is on my mind but once it gets home I have a local guy that wants to look at the older motor to see what's up with it.
thanks
Erick
Tohsgib posted 04-23-2009 01:59 PM ET (US)
150hp is 150hp no matter the source. Those old engines were light as hell to boot. A 115 is no slouch and is plenty but if you want the extra speed, the V6 is the only way to go. The 150 4 strokes are still 4cyl so I doubt they will keep up with your old yamaha due to weight and loss of 2cyls but will burn half the fuel. The 130 E-Tec is a 4cyl as well and would depend on what the price was over a 115 for me to pay for 15hp. With a 5k budget, start looking around but you will probably not find a modern DFI or 4 stroke 150 for that money unless an older Fict or Opti which I would be very weary of owning unless I robbed it for like $2k.
My 19 revenge weighs the same as yours and I am very pleased with my 115 Suzuki which gives me 38-40mph WOT and only burns 4-5gph at cruise. My 175 did about 50 but burned 8-9gph at cruise. I never run WOT anyway and in the low sided Revenge...40 is hauling ass.
Tohsgib posted 04-23-2009 02:01 PM ET (US)
Thinking about it you could get a Yamaha HPDI for what you want to spend.
68 WhaleR posted 04-23-2009 02:34 PM ET (US)
Yamaha HPDI do you know of anygood deals on one? My budget might go up in a few months when I sell My 66vw panel bus.
Still first thing is first,
I need to get the boat home! LOL!
Good info, I really appreciate it.
Erick
Tohsgib posted 04-23-2009 02:52 PM ET (US)
Start shopping is all I can say(e-Bay, craigslist, boat shopper, etc). I will let you know if I see anything. iboats rarely has great deals but they have OK deals on newer ex-rental engines so don't bother in my opinion.

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Author	Topic: OUTRAGE 18: Re-powering on a $5,000 Budget
68 WhaleR	posted 04-21-2009 01:59 PM ET (US) What are the options on a re-power of [a Boston Whaler OUTRAGE 18] for as low [cost] as possilbe but still be semi-reliable [and be at least 115-HP]? I know there are some good used motors out there and I think my budget would be $5,000. Hey. I [may buy] a 1984 Outrage 18 that has a 1984 Yamaha 150 motor with a blown powerhead but good lower unit. Thanks for your help, Erick
Tohsgib	posted 04-21-2009 02:06 PM ET (US) Read my post in the Marketplace. A new Yamaha 115 4 stroke for $5900 and you would use your existing rigging. Being in NC you have tons of options considering within a 8hour ride you can buy in FL or Va which both have reasonably priced motors. You can buy a used 115 4 stoke for under $5k that is only a couple years old. There is a new 115 optimax near me for $6k with all the rigging I believe. Do your homework, you'll find plenty of new/newer engines in that range. Heck you could find a new in box conventional 2 smoke leftover for what you want to spend or less. I saw a new 2004 90 for $4k, a 115 should be like 4500.
68 WhaleR	posted 04-21-2009 02:17 PM ET (US) thanks, Going to look at the 18 outrage in Belmont. Looks rough and is a custom job. It would work for me, Just seeing what my options with motors would be. My sceptical frind said it would be 6k to rebuild the power head but I think that is a bunch of you know what. Just want to make sure I can afford a motor if I get the boat. I would love to take a outboard motor class if there was one near me. I love working on motors. I have vw's and a old tractor that I work on. How is replacing a powerhead? Might just go with a newer 115 like you said If I can find the website. I have another guy here that knows boats pretty well and am talking to him about my options. thanks Erick
Tohsgib	posted 04-21-2009 02:23 PM ET (US) Honestly don't even THINK about rebuilding that powerhead. That is a fisrt year Yamaha and they liked to use dissimilar metals and no never seize. A V6 rebuild is usually around $3k installed, yours would probably be $6k due to all the broken bolts and helicoils it would take to put it back together. Not to mention the famous rusty steering arms and throttle linkage. I would be amazed that you would be able to get the powerhead off, much less apart....fresh or salt water use. A 115 will give you 40+ where a 150 will fetch you around 48+. Many here are fond of their 115hp 18's as would I be.
Tohsgib	posted 04-21-2009 02:28 PM ET (US) http://lakeland.craigslist.org/boa/1126454626.html
Peter	posted 04-21-2009 02:33 PM ET (US) For 5k or less, I would be looking for late 1990s early 2000s carbureted Evinrude/Johnson 150. Light weight, very quiet for a 2-stroke V6 and really "packs a punch". In my view, this was a motor that was practically made for the 18 Outrage.
jimh	posted 04-21-2009 02:48 PM ET (US) All outboard motors, particularly used outboard motors, are "semi-reliable," so you will not have to make too much discrimination on that point. Given today's marketplace, you should not have a problem finding a motor for $5,000 or less that is 115-HP or more.
Tohsgib	posted 04-21-2009 02:50 PM ET (US) The early 80's 18's had some wavy hull problems, some were fixed, some were not. Not a structural risk but cosmetic. It better be cheap(way under $5k, more like $3k) or keep looking. Had a guy down here with a 18 and 115 newly rebuilt for $6k that was in decent shape and had a $3k rebuild on her engine.
68 WhaleR	posted 04-21-2009 02:58 PM ET (US) I am looking at the $3900 one i Belmont. I figure at that price I can get a rebuilt or nearly new repower for it. It is only just a hour away from me. www.usedboats.com/boat-ad/display/ad_id/105958761 If you know of a good deal on a 17ft to 21 ft Outrage for cheap with a good motor let me know. I have 4k now to play with and more later. Just can't jump into a 6k plus boat yet. but I can have this one now while I clean it up and hunt for a motor.
Tohsgib	posted 04-22-2009 11:34 AM ET (US) Try for $3k and you got a great deal.
68 WhaleR	posted 04-22-2009 12:24 PM ET (US) Will do. I will let you know how it comes out. [Changed topic to discuss which section of the website hosts what topics. Please see the guidelines for topic areas.--jimh]
68 WhaleR	posted 04-22-2009 10:32 PM ET (US) [I] just got back from looking at my new Outrage 18. I was extra excited to see the hull was in original non-painted gel coat gray! It is a 1984; HIN is BWC6971AM84A. The [seller] said it was the same that the Navy used. I will pick it up Saturday. It was a California boat originally and customized there back in 1984. It has done several trips to Catalina Island with no problems. Now to get it home and then to think about a motor for it. It motor is a 1984 Yamaha 150. Can all Yamaha motors use their older cables? Did Yamaha change [the design of their cables] after a certain year? I don't want to re-do the cables, but I will, if I have too. Thanks--erick
jimh	posted 04-23-2009 05:33 AM ET (US) Congratulations on the new boat. You should begin a new topic for these new questions you have which are now specific to your 1984 Yamaha 150-HP motor.
jimh	posted 04-23-2009 05:34 AM ET (US) If you are seeking advice on repairs or modifications, move the discussion to REPAIRS/MODS.
68 WhaleR	posted 04-23-2009 07:45 AM ET (US) Thanks Jim! I will start new threads later this weekend when I pick it up! lol! I have been lurking for so long here that I can't believe I am actually get something bigger than my 13! later Erick
Tohsgib	posted 04-23-2009 11:11 AM ET (US) Cables will interchange but that is a small price($75) when considering a repower. Plus amny cable are universal, you just buy new ends to fit each engine. What did ya pay?
68 WhaleR	posted 04-23-2009 01:24 PM ET (US) $3900. It was cleaned up better than the photos. It looks like a Guardian Hull. The trailer has 4 new tires, He had just put in a new 63 gal. fuel tank before the motor blew. Batterys seen not too old either. I really like the mega seating arrangement he had. We usualy just cruse arround with the little kids we have. But also have top. Ski pole will be handy later when the kids get bigger. I am just happy about it, could I pressure him down a few hundred, maybe but I feel good, he feels good and I get a boat I always wanted Sat! LOL! Oh by the way, since this is the performance section. Since it has a old 150 hp Yamaha that is in need of help, Could I get similar performance from a lower HP model like Etec 4 stroke or similar modern Yamaha? Basicly a newer motor that is more effecient that the older one and possible ligther? Repower is on my mind but once it gets home I have a local guy that wants to look at the older motor to see what's up with it. thanks Erick
Tohsgib	posted 04-23-2009 01:59 PM ET (US) 150hp is 150hp no matter the source. Those old engines were light as hell to boot. A 115 is no slouch and is plenty but if you want the extra speed, the V6 is the only way to go. The 150 4 strokes are still 4cyl so I doubt they will keep up with your old yamaha due to weight and loss of 2cyls but will burn half the fuel. The 130 E-Tec is a 4cyl as well and would depend on what the price was over a 115 for me to pay for 15hp. With a 5k budget, start looking around but you will probably not find a modern DFI or 4 stroke 150 for that money unless an older Fict or Opti which I would be very weary of owning unless I robbed it for like $2k. My 19 revenge weighs the same as yours and I am very pleased with my 115 Suzuki which gives me 38-40mph WOT and only burns 4-5gph at cruise. My 175 did about 50 but burned 8-9gph at cruise. I never run WOT anyway and in the low sided Revenge...40 is hauling ass.
Tohsgib	posted 04-23-2009 02:01 PM ET (US) Thinking about it you could get a Yamaha HPDI for what you want to spend.
68 WhaleR	posted 04-23-2009 02:34 PM ET (US) Yamaha HPDI do you know of anygood deals on one? My budget might go up in a few months when I sell My 66vw panel bus. Still first thing is first, I need to get the boat home! LOL! Good info, I really appreciate it. Erick
Tohsgib	posted 04-23-2009 02:52 PM ET (US) Start shopping is all I can say(e-Bay, craigslist, boat shopper, etc). I will let you know if I see anything. iboats rarely has great deals but they have OK deals on newer ex-rental engines so don't bother in my opinion.