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Mendofisher posted 05-26-2010 12:31 PM ET (US)
Now that I have decided to purchase a four-blad stainless steel propeller for a Yamaha HPDI 200-HP [for use on a Boston Whaler REVENGE 22 Cuddy], [give me] suggestions about the propeller pitch and propeller manufacturer that would be best. The Pacific Ocean off the north California coast is mostly rough with wind and current, so jumping up on plane is not critical. We occasionally run up to 30 miles offshore during summer weather for Albacore. We consistently run 20 to 30 miles north or south from port on fishing trips, so it is possible to have the current in your face and the wind at your back. We are looking for something that will give the most dig in the steep seas and speed on the few calm days we have. Is this possible? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.
Bob
Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2010 03:29 PM ET (US)
You want a 14-5/8" x 17" Mercury Revolution 4.
Be sure the motor is mounted "two holes up" using the third set of mounting holes leaving 1-1/2" of space between the motor and the top of the transom.
Did you buy that boat in Seattle two years ago?
andygere posted 05-26-2010 05:50 PM ET (US)
I'm having great success with a 17" Offshore/Vesnura on my 2.6L/200 hp Outrage 22 Cuddy. Open ocean conditions, great hold, good acceleration. I could not stand the thunk of the Rev 4 every time I put it into gear, and also didn't have great thrust in reverse.
jimh posted 05-26-2010 09:57 PM ET (US)
Andy--I never heard a propeller that could make a CLUNK louder than a Mercury REVOLUTION4. Saying a propeller made a CLUNK that wasn't as loud as a CLUNK from a REVOLUTION4 is damning it with faint praise.
Tom W Clark posted 05-26-2010 10:07 PM ET (US)
Use of a Mercury Flo-Torq IV hub kit will substantially (though not entirely) reduce the shift clunk associated with the Revolution 4, which weighs 17 pounds in the pitches typical of use with Boston Whalers.
Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2010 12:30 AM ET (US)
If you choose a Mercury VenSura (a.k.a. Offshore) a Yamaha motor should be only one hole up. The VenSura (Offshore) cannot tolerate high motor mounting heights and needs to operate fully submerged.
I do agree that the VenSura (Offshore) seems to work very well on the 22 foot Whalers with single power. I have propped three 22s with the VenSura (Offshore) and one with a Revolution 4.
Mendofisher posted 05-27-2010 10:20 AM ET (US)
Tom, I purchased the boat in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2001.
Unfortunately,When I replaced the twin 90s [ one had a cracked head] in 2003 the prop that was suggested was the Michigan 14 1/2 x 17 and now understand that was a mistake,I wish I would have talked to you guys first.Also the 200 is already mounted about 1/2 inch to flush on transom. Will this cause any problems for the vesnura offshore?
Thanks for all the suggestions, Bob
Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2010 10:46 AM ET (US)
Bob -- It sounds as if your motor is mounted all the way down, i.e. with t tip set of bolts holes and that is unfortunate.
Even with the old aluminum propellers of 25 years ago, the factory recommendation for mounting a single on a 22 was for it to be one hole up (second set of bolt holes).
With today's more efficient stainless steel propeller designs, motors can be mounted much higher.
The VenSura/Offshore is an exception to this; it needs to be run fully submerged to perform well.
It would be best if you raised the motor one hole, which is an easy task.
But to answer your question, no, the motor height wouldn't be a problem for the VenSura/Offshore where it is. You just give up a little fuel economy and speed as well as having slighlty more bow rise on acceleration and heavier steering with the motor so low.
Mendofisher posted 05-27-2010 11:49 AM ET (US)
Tom I forgot to mention the 200 has a 19 inch shaft.My boat partner says its to short.What say you?
Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2010 12:13 PM ET (US)
You mean 20" (long) shaft. I'd like to see photo of this motor. Was the transom cut don to accommodate it?
Mendofisher posted 05-27-2010 01:26 PM ET (US)
Tom my mistake it is a 20 inch shaft.No we did not cut down the transom,we put the 200 on and away we went.Even mounting all the down barely puts the bottom half of the prop under the boat.The invoice says its a custom rampage whatever that means.Thanks Bob
jimh posted 05-27-2010 02:02 PM ET (US)
What is a rampage?
Mendofisher posted 05-27-2010 02:18 PM ET (US)
Jim I bought the boat from a yacht brokerage co. On there printed flyer its listed as a 22ft.BostonWhaler custom rampage.If not a rampage what is it? Bob
Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2010 02:25 PM ET (US)
Bob - There is no such thing as a "Rampage" model, custom or otherwise. Could you email a photo of this boat?
I am surprised your boats works at all with a 20" shaft length motor on it. Who made the decision to install a 20" shaft length motor on a boat designed for a 25" shaft length motor?
No, the VenSura/Offshore will not work in this situation.
andygere posted 05-27-2010 07:44 PM ET (US)
Methinks this boat may be an older 21' Revenge, or perhaps a 21' Outrage with a custom built cuddy cabin. A picture of the boat and motor will go a long way towards unraveling the mystery.
Tom W Clark posted 05-27-2010 10:15 PM ET (US)
Ah, Andy, you may be on to something. Bought in the Bay Area, I'm thinking of a Radon-like Outrage 21 conversion.
Bob -- Again, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Author	Topic: REVENGE 22 Cuddy, Yamaha HPDI 200
Mendofisher	posted 05-26-2010 12:31 PM ET (US) Now that I have decided to purchase a four-blad stainless steel propeller for a Yamaha HPDI 200-HP [for use on a Boston Whaler REVENGE 22 Cuddy], [give me] suggestions about the propeller pitch and propeller manufacturer that would be best. The Pacific Ocean off the north California coast is mostly rough with wind and current, so jumping up on plane is not critical. We occasionally run up to 30 miles offshore during summer weather for Albacore. We consistently run 20 to 30 miles north or south from port on fishing trips, so it is possible to have the current in your face and the wind at your back. We are looking for something that will give the most dig in the steep seas and speed on the few calm days we have. Is this possible? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. Bob
Tom W Clark	posted 05-26-2010 03:29 PM ET (US) You want a 14-5/8" x 17" Mercury Revolution 4. Be sure the motor is mounted "two holes up" using the third set of mounting holes leaving 1-1/2" of space between the motor and the top of the transom. Did you buy that boat in Seattle two years ago?
andygere	posted 05-26-2010 05:50 PM ET (US) I'm having great success with a 17" Offshore/Vesnura on my 2.6L/200 hp Outrage 22 Cuddy. Open ocean conditions, great hold, good acceleration. I could not stand the thunk of the Rev 4 every time I put it into gear, and also didn't have great thrust in reverse.
jimh	posted 05-26-2010 09:57 PM ET (US) Andy--I never heard a propeller that could make a CLUNK louder than a Mercury REVOLUTION4. Saying a propeller made a CLUNK that wasn't as loud as a CLUNK from a REVOLUTION4 is damning it with faint praise.
Tom W Clark	posted 05-26-2010 10:07 PM ET (US) Use of a Mercury Flo-Torq IV hub kit will substantially (though not entirely) reduce the shift clunk associated with the Revolution 4, which weighs 17 pounds in the pitches typical of use with Boston Whalers.
Tom W Clark	posted 05-27-2010 12:30 AM ET (US) If you choose a Mercury VenSura (a.k.a. Offshore) a Yamaha motor should be only one hole up. The VenSura (Offshore) cannot tolerate high motor mounting heights and needs to operate fully submerged. I do agree that the VenSura (Offshore) seems to work very well on the 22 foot Whalers with single power. I have propped three 22s with the VenSura (Offshore) and one with a Revolution 4.
Mendofisher	posted 05-27-2010 10:20 AM ET (US) Tom, I purchased the boat in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2001. Unfortunately,When I replaced the twin 90s [ one had a cracked head] in 2003 the prop that was suggested was the Michigan 14 1/2 x 17 and now understand that was a mistake,I wish I would have talked to you guys first.Also the 200 is already mounted about 1/2 inch to flush on transom. Will this cause any problems for the vesnura offshore? Thanks for all the suggestions, Bob
Tom W Clark	posted 05-27-2010 10:46 AM ET (US) Bob -- It sounds as if your motor is mounted all the way down, i.e. with t tip set of bolts holes and that is unfortunate. Even with the old aluminum propellers of 25 years ago, the factory recommendation for mounting a single on a 22 was for it to be one hole up (second set of bolt holes). With today's more efficient stainless steel propeller designs, motors can be mounted much higher. The VenSura/Offshore is an exception to this; it needs to be run fully submerged to perform well. It would be best if you raised the motor one hole, which is an easy task. But to answer your question, no, the motor height wouldn't be a problem for the VenSura/Offshore where it is. You just give up a little fuel economy and speed as well as having slighlty more bow rise on acceleration and heavier steering with the motor so low.
Mendofisher	posted 05-27-2010 11:49 AM ET (US) Tom I forgot to mention the 200 has a 19 inch shaft.My boat partner says its to short.What say you?
Tom W Clark	posted 05-27-2010 12:13 PM ET (US) You mean 20" (long) shaft. I'd like to see photo of this motor. Was the transom cut don to accommodate it?
Mendofisher	posted 05-27-2010 01:26 PM ET (US) Tom my mistake it is a 20 inch shaft.No we did not cut down the transom,we put the 200 on and away we went.Even mounting all the down barely puts the bottom half of the prop under the boat.The invoice says its a custom rampage whatever that means.Thanks Bob
jimh	posted 05-27-2010 02:02 PM ET (US) What is a rampage?
Mendofisher	posted 05-27-2010 02:18 PM ET (US) Jim I bought the boat from a yacht brokerage co. On there printed flyer its listed as a 22ft.BostonWhaler custom rampage.If not a rampage what is it? Bob
Tom W Clark	posted 05-27-2010 02:25 PM ET (US) Bob - There is no such thing as a "Rampage" model, custom or otherwise. Could you email a photo of this boat? I am surprised your boats works at all with a 20" shaft length motor on it. Who made the decision to install a 20" shaft length motor on a boat designed for a 25" shaft length motor? No, the VenSura/Offshore will not work in this situation.
andygere	posted 05-27-2010 07:44 PM ET (US) Methinks this boat may be an older 21' Revenge, or perhaps a 21' Outrage with a custom built cuddy cabin. A picture of the boat and motor will go a long way towards unraveling the mystery.
Tom W Clark	posted 05-27-2010 10:15 PM ET (US) Ah, Andy, you may be on to something. Bought in the Bay Area, I'm thinking of a Radon-like Outrage 21 conversion. Bob -- Again, a picture is worth a thousand words.