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crbenny posted 04-27-2013 10:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for crbenny   Send Email to crbenny  

I bought this all original Nauset last year and it's been sitting in the warehouse, under its original cover, sitting on its original trailer, waiting to be splashed for the first time since the Reagan Administration. The original 55 Triumph is a terrific motor but I want something newer, enough power to ski, and I want PT&T. I also want the nostalgic look of an original boat, which this is. Options as I see them;

1) Find a 90s OMC 70/75hp looper and paint it original with the 55 Triumph cowl. This is a no-brainer as it's a great engine for a 16', period correct, good power, proven reliability, economical, and parts are cheap and accessible. But when is the last time you saw a good one at a reasonable price? Yes, they're out there, but the ones in S. Florida are beat to death. I've been looking for 6 months now.

2) Find a mid 80s inline Mercury, either 4 or 6 cylinder and add paint and decals to be period correct. This is a great choice as they're VERY powerful, very cool, have a great following for parts and knowledge. I've been in contact with Mercrestor and classicmercuryoutboards, but I'm having trouble finding a good core. If I find a good one, they're $2500 or more now, and I still have to ship it in both directions and spend $3500 for restoration.

3) Here's the wildcard. What classic outboard does the 90 E-tec remind you of? It's a mid-sized inline painted white. The cowl is squared off with slab sides, a convex front with a vertical crease up the centerline and an eyebrow, and a sculpted back. Paint the eyebrow red and add cross flags on the front, paint the midsection covers Homelite teal, and custom paint red and white emblems on both sides to say," Evinrude Bearcat 90" in the original script and format. This option intrigues me..

Does anyone know of a mint 3 cyl. looper or 80s inline Mercury?

Would the Evinrude Bearcat bring a smile to your face if you saw it? Remember, it's just paint and decals and can be switched back.

Chris

Chris

Tom W Clark posted 04-27-2013 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Chris -- All three of those options are great ideas. However, if you ever spend time with an E-TEC 90, there will be no question about what motor you want for your Nauset. The E-TEC is the only motor that meets or exceeds the quiet idle and smoke-less operation of the Homelite/Bearcat.

It has never occurred to me to alter an E-TEC cowl to look like an old Bearcat. I think the idea is BRILLIANT! I look forward to seeing the results.

Tom W Clark posted 04-27-2013 11:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
http://www.bearcat55.com/images/flybridgead.jpg

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/t0cJWgAPsk0/0.jpg

crbenny posted 04-27-2013 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for crbenny  Send Email to crbenny     
Thanks Tom! I half thought I was loosing my mind, and I may be.. but at least I'm not the only one!

Chris

Buckda posted 04-28-2013 03:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Janis at MagicBrush has the Bearcat 55 decals as she and I worked together to refurbish one last summer.

She does good work. See if she can help you with the decal part of your project if you go that route.

Buckda posted 04-28-2013 03:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Buckda/1968%20Eastport/P1017951. jpg

I agree it could look really cool!

Buckda posted 04-28-2013 03:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Also. Gavin owned both the Bearcat and two E-TEC 90s. There will be no comparison for overall performance. The Bearcat is a great motor for that boat but the E-TEC is the better motor and performer. I will say that the Bearcat is a smooth and efficient. The more I think about it, the more I like your idea.
Buckda posted 04-28-2013 03:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Who is Gavin?! I have owned both motors...
Binkster posted 05-05-2013 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
Its impossible to find good old outboards in Fl. They are used 12 months a year and in salt water. Read my thread on "power for my 15 footer". The trick of using a newer motor and adapting an antique hood to it has been done before with great success. I have seen a couple done this way at the AOMCI meets. You have to look at them really hard to uncover the difference. I would try it.

rich

L H G posted 05-06-2013 01:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Chris - I don't like the idea of the Bearcat copy, as I never liked the look of that engine anyway! It will alwasys look like a copy, and no one will fall for it.

But if you must do it, consider the Tohatsu TLDI 90. It is less "zooty" looking than the Evinrude and and has a more traditional cowl that looks more like the old Bearcat, performs just as well and with the Optimax/Orbital technology, probably gets better fuel economy. May cost less too.

I'd keep looking for an old Merc.

crbenny posted 05-06-2013 09:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for crbenny  Send Email to crbenny     

Larry, I'm shocked by your closing statement ;) Absolutely, there's merit to your argument for the mid 80s Merc as it's tops in several catagories including; power to weight, cool factor, maybe even resale, and it's absolutely period correct in looks. But what about range with the limited fuel capacity of a 16'7". Also noise and reliability of an older motor. And what Rich says is exacty right about older used outboards in Florida which you know yourself considering you're a snowbird. I'm not ruling it out.. I just can't find one nor can I find a 3 cylinder looper in great shape.

As far as the Bearcat/etec, please don't misunderstand my objective. I'm not trying to fool anyone. When I look at the etec 90, I see a Y2K Bearcat.. always have. Look at Metan's latest Sakonnet with the etec on it. It looks like my Dad's Sakonnet back in '69 including the shape of the motor, or at least that's what I see. No doubt, when you look back, a tower on that boat best fits your memories. According to Dave, this girl Janis at Magicbrush can take the red and white cowl stickers and substitute 'Fisher-Pierce' with 'Evinrude' and 55 with 90. Again, not trying to trick anyone, just trying for a double take and a smile from the Boston Whaler fanatics(meaning you guys and me).

Anyway, I remain open and will consider all possibilities, and thanks for the feedback.

Chris

frauke75 posted 05-07-2013 12:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for frauke75  Send Email to frauke75     
something like this?
http://www.glen-l.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=15403

or this?
http:/ / www. seabuddyonboats. com/ motors-and-power/ classic-wooden-boa t-powered-by-a-classic-outboard-sunnyland-show-report-mount-dora-travers es-lake-dora-four/

pcrussell50 posted 05-08-2013 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Crbenny sez:
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Also noise and reliability of an older motor.

I have a "quiet" modern four stroke and several "loud" old two-strokes all of more or less the same power class. And there isn't a dime's difference in volume at cruise... Only at idle.

A little cornfused about the reliability comment. Are you saying that older motors are less reliable because they are more prone to a sudden catastrophic failure? Or that even when running right, 80's and 90's motors are simply of inferior design and more prone to failure even when properly maintained?

-Peter

Binkster posted 05-09-2013 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Binkster  Send Email to Binkster     
I think old outboards can be just as reliable as newer outboards, and the newer 4 strokes are above the knowledge and skill level for the owner to repair. Also all repair parts are available for old OMC outboards through E-Tec Evinrude dealers. My 1961 Evinrude Starflite 75 hp V4 starts every time even when sitting for a couple of months, and knows only two speeds, idle and wide open. I run it on my antique runabout at the AOMCI events. Only thing is it will burn about 4 gallons of gas in about a 30-40 minute span running at speed. Its not a motor to use on a modern boat for pleasure cruising of fishing.

rich

Ridge Runner posted 05-10-2013 07:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I have purchased vintage from AFA Marine in Largo, Florida in the past. Pretty good guys, they will keep an eye out for what your looking for. http://www.smalloutboards.com/antiques.htm
pcrussell50 posted 05-11-2013 03:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Super cool site, Ridge. One of the biggest draws to me of boating is old motors. I buy them for pennies on the dollar and they either run perfectly, or are easy to make run perfectly. It's almost like theft, when compared to the price of new motors. It's one of the reasons I have more motors than boats. I have trouble passing up a good deal. They do guzzle fuel though...good thing they are so cheap to buy.

Here was my "sweetheart". My first ever boat, when I started boating in summer 2008:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hClSEKA53x0/Sc8Bn2V1DEI/AAAAAAAABCw/ WD4VhFoCLXU/w640-h480-no/CIMG1539.JPG

13'6". I only sold her so I could get a classic 13 Whaler. I'm so proud of her and her "new" owner, (sold over two years ago), you can't imagine. He's a young Border Patrol agent in San Diego and a SUPER hardcore fisherman, and a great guy. We stay in touch. He takes that 1959 motor out in the ocean, in the dark, hoop netting for lobster and stays out all night. THAT takes some serious faith in your motor.

-Peter

crbenny posted 06-26-2013 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for crbenny  Send Email to crbenny     
Dave, I spoke with Janis today and she's working on a custom decal to replicate the cross flags on the front and also alter the side decals, so we'll see how that goes.

Where did you get the teal paint for the mid section?

Chris

L H G posted 06-27-2013 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Chris - Although I see you've gone with your "wildcard" E-tec/Bearcat option, just this past weekend, simply by dumb luck, I came across a "barn find" (literally) classic freshwater Merc tower in Northern WI, that would have been just what you were looking for.

It sits on an old fiberglass boat that is a piece of junk, but the engine is a 1966 950SS (95HP) 90 cubic inch in-line 6, complete with the handle on the top cowling (last used in 1967). By ancient hour meter, it has only 212 hrs on it, has not been used in 13 years, and before that, barely used. It is fogged, and with the plugs out, turns over easily by hand using the flywheel. The engine is beautiful and looks like it's about 3 years old, super clean inside, intact decals and shiny black exterior. The engine pre-dates Mercury's power trim invention.

Although I have no blue interior Whaler to put it on, I think I am going to buy it, as the seller has no clue as to what it's worth. It kind of looks like this, although the wrap cowl and front faceplate are different.

http://classicmercuryoutboards.com/home

Qtrmeg posted 06-28-2013 08:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Qtrmeg  Send Email to Qtrmeg     
So LHG, what is that motor worth? If it caught your eye I suspect it is worth double what the whole package is offered for.

The reason I ask is I have probably the lamest 70hp Merc ever made on a 16', a 1983 which in the next year became the 50/60. Hey, I can't complain, it weighs 190, runs like a top and zips right along.

I live in the NE so don't worry about me stealing your deal, but there is no replacement for displacement. To make matters worse I'm only gonna repower with a tower of power.

Rhymes aside I have seen the friction here about Mercs in general, and any engine not new school. Sorry, but to each their own. I want vintage on my vintage for the maybe 30 precious hours I can get away every summer.

Buckda posted 06-29-2013 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Chris -

The blue paint changed between ownership from Homelite and Bearcat.

If you want the Bearcat Blue - it is GM code 22 Light Sapphire Blue (General motors paint code)...any good autobody shop can supply it.

The white on both engines is GM code 16 - bright white.

You will want to use a good clear coat for the finish, as well as the appropriate primer for the material you're working with - i.e. plastic parts may require a different primer for best adhesion.

I ended up hand-painting the crossed flag emblem on my motor since it was intact, but just faded. Let me tell you, it takes a good masking job and a very steady hand with a small brush to make that work...

Buckda posted 06-29-2013 08:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
For the red highlights (front and back), I went with a non-OEM color - the original look was somewhat orange...and it didn't really match well with the red decals - so I found a spray enamel (at the auto parts store, but can't remember the code) that matched the Whaler red decal really well and went with it.

crbenny posted 07-01-2013 08:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for crbenny  Send Email to crbenny     
Thanks Dave. I believe the lighter 'Homelite' color from earlier is a Honda color. I don't suppose these can be bought in spray cans so I don't know how that's going to work. Which did you use because yours appears correct for the earlier years.

Once Janis develops the red decals, I'll match the red as you did.

Thanks again.

Chris

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