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mkelly posted 12-22-2013 08:08 PM ET (US)
Anyone comment if a 570 lb. motor would be too much on a 1994 19" Outrage II (roughly the weight of a 200 HP Suzuki). I believe the original 150 Mercury was around 460-lbs. It might sit a bit low but I frequently have a 70 lb trolling motor hanging off the back, and it doesn't seem to be a big [concern]. Other option would be the lesser displacement E-TEC at 150- or 200-HP, or the four cylinder 200-HP Yamaha. Too many choices, but I guess that's a good thing.
Marko888 posted 12-22-2013 08:27 PM ET (US)
In my opinion, lighter is better on this hull. In Suzuki, a 175 should be plenty of power, and not be any heavier than the 150.
I have an Outrage 18, and really prefer the boats handling without the 100lb kicker, which we currently add only for our fishing trips.
Peter posted 12-22-2013 08:39 PM ET (US)
A 1994 Mercury 150 weighs about 400 lbs, not 460. The OMC 150 weighed about 375-lbs. There were no 580-lbs outboard motors in 1994 so I doubt that the designers of the 1994 Outrage 19 had sufficient foresight to think someday 20 years into the future an owner would consider repowering with a motor that weighs almost 200-lbs more than what they were putting on the transom in 1994. Besides weight, the Suzuki 200 would be a very large motor for the transom of a 1994 Outrage 19 II. I don't think it would look right.
mkelly posted 12-22-2013 09:13 PM ET (US)
Yikes, even the 2.5L 150 Mercury weighed 400-lbs? (that's what I had) I might be leaning towards E-TEC.
Peter posted 12-23-2013 08:14 AM ET (US)
Yes. If the 2.5L weighed 460-lbs it would have been heavier than OMC's 3.0L V6 at 455 lbs and quite uncompetitive with respect to OMC's 375-lb 2.6L V6 looper or even the prior cross-flow V6 which was a few pounds heavier.
Your boat was not designed with a 580-lbs outboard in mind. At the time the original boat was designed a 150-HP outboard was about 400-lbs. Your boat is considerably heavier than the original Outrage 18 upon which it was built due to the use of the interior liner. My Outrage 18s were always sensitive to weight near the transom when underway and I would expect nothing less from the 1994 Outrage 19 II. If I were in your situation, I'd try to keep the transom weight down as low as possible. I think the ideal motor for that boat is an E-TEC 150 but if you have to have a trendy 4-stroke on it, then the Mercury 150 FourStroke is the lightest of the bunch at about 465- to 470-lbs.
martyn1075 posted 12-23-2013 12:35 PM ET (US)
The Yamaha F150 has been a popular choice and it doesn't appear to look overloaded at least not to my eyes. That could be an option for a four stroke. Its weight is under 500lbs and just a bit heavier than the new Mercury 150. Not sure of its performance data on this model, but I can't see it all that different than the classic 18 Outrage.
prj posted 12-23-2013 09:03 PM ET (US)
Any of the 2- or 4-stroke 150-HP outboards will be fine for your repower, with the possible exception of the 150-HP Verado. The archives here have performance reports on all of them, I believe.
Both the E-TEC and Suzuki build 175-HP outboards on the 150 frame, so if you want more, those may be the platforms to focus on. I know of Outrage-18 owners that have repowered with both E-TEC and Suzuki 175s, reports may be found here as well.
jimh posted 12-28-2013 10:31 AM ET (US)
At the 150-HP level there are plenty of choices among modern outboard engines. I don't think there will be a great difference among them in power output at full throttle, fuel consumption, or reliability.
I don't know how you predict the result of increased transom weight, but it is not very hard to test for it. If you are thinking about getting a new outboard engine that weighs 100-lbs more than your present outboard engine, just add 100-lbs of weight to the extreme aft end of the boat using, say, sand bags or other ballast.
If you do choose a new outboard engine that is heavier, you can compensate by shifting gear around in the boat. Many boats have two lead-acid batteries in the stern. That is a weight of about 125- to 150-lbs that could be moved amidships.
The larger cowling size and generally larger overall size of many four-stroke-power-cycle outboards can be a problem, both aesthetically and functionally. Some of the newer engines are just out of proportion for some boats. However, there are so many boat out there now with engines that are, frankly, in gigantic proportion to the boat, that we are all becoming accustomed to seeing them. They don't look as outrageously large as they used to, not because they are any smaller but because we are all just getting accustomed to the size of the newer engines. If the boat is used in certain activities, like fishing or water skiing, an outboard engine that is too tall and too big can be in the way all the time. Those considerations are highly dependent on the particular use. They may be important or may be nothing to even consider.
If you have a preference for Suzuki, I'd go with your own thinking. I assume there is a good dealer in your area for that brand. I consider the support of a good dealer as probably the most important influence in a buying decision.
Jorgen posted 12-28-2013 03:02 PM ET (US)
I own a 1994 Outrage 19 II which is in mind condition. It is powered with a Mercury Optimax 200 hp, an does over 50 mph plus on Gps.
Believe me, it handles excellent, performance as you want hour boat to perform with 5 people on board.
No limitations here in europe as you have with us coastguard dough.
mkelly posted 12-28-2013 11:13 PM ET (US)
Jorgen, thx. I've never run into anyone with the over horsepowered setup. With my 60 lb trolling motor hung off the back (levered probably adds 100 lbs) still runs great without porpoising too much. 200 it is !

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Author	Topic: 1994 Outrage 19 II Re-power
mkelly	posted 12-22-2013 08:08 PM ET (US) Anyone comment if a 570 lb. motor would be too much on a 1994 19" Outrage II (roughly the weight of a 200 HP Suzuki). I believe the original 150 Mercury was around 460-lbs. It might sit a bit low but I frequently have a 70 lb trolling motor hanging off the back, and it doesn't seem to be a big [concern]. Other option would be the lesser displacement E-TEC at 150- or 200-HP, or the four cylinder 200-HP Yamaha. Too many choices, but I guess that's a good thing.
Marko888	posted 12-22-2013 08:27 PM ET (US) In my opinion, lighter is better on this hull. In Suzuki, a 175 should be plenty of power, and not be any heavier than the 150. I have an Outrage 18, and really prefer the boats handling without the 100lb kicker, which we currently add only for our fishing trips.
Peter	posted 12-22-2013 08:39 PM ET (US) A 1994 Mercury 150 weighs about 400 lbs, not 460. The OMC 150 weighed about 375-lbs. There were no 580-lbs outboard motors in 1994 so I doubt that the designers of the 1994 Outrage 19 had sufficient foresight to think someday 20 years into the future an owner would consider repowering with a motor that weighs almost 200-lbs more than what they were putting on the transom in 1994. Besides weight, the Suzuki 200 would be a very large motor for the transom of a 1994 Outrage 19 II. I don't think it would look right.
mkelly	posted 12-22-2013 09:13 PM ET (US) Yikes, even the 2.5L 150 Mercury weighed 400-lbs? (that's what I had) I might be leaning towards E-TEC.
Peter	posted 12-23-2013 08:14 AM ET (US) Yes. If the 2.5L weighed 460-lbs it would have been heavier than OMC's 3.0L V6 at 455 lbs and quite uncompetitive with respect to OMC's 375-lb 2.6L V6 looper or even the prior cross-flow V6 which was a few pounds heavier. Your boat was not designed with a 580-lbs outboard in mind. At the time the original boat was designed a 150-HP outboard was about 400-lbs. Your boat is considerably heavier than the original Outrage 18 upon which it was built due to the use of the interior liner. My Outrage 18s were always sensitive to weight near the transom when underway and I would expect nothing less from the 1994 Outrage 19 II. If I were in your situation, I'd try to keep the transom weight down as low as possible. I think the ideal motor for that boat is an E-TEC 150 but if you have to have a trendy 4-stroke on it, then the Mercury 150 FourStroke is the lightest of the bunch at about 465- to 470-lbs.
martyn1075	posted 12-23-2013 12:35 PM ET (US) The Yamaha F150 has been a popular choice and it doesn't appear to look overloaded at least not to my eyes. That could be an option for a four stroke. Its weight is under 500lbs and just a bit heavier than the new Mercury 150. Not sure of its performance data on this model, but I can't see it all that different than the classic 18 Outrage.
prj	posted 12-23-2013 09:03 PM ET (US) Any of the 2- or 4-stroke 150-HP outboards will be fine for your repower, with the possible exception of the 150-HP Verado. The archives here have performance reports on all of them, I believe. Both the E-TEC and Suzuki build 175-HP outboards on the 150 frame, so if you want more, those may be the platforms to focus on. I know of Outrage-18 owners that have repowered with both E-TEC and Suzuki 175s, reports may be found here as well.
jimh	posted 12-28-2013 10:31 AM ET (US) At the 150-HP level there are plenty of choices among modern outboard engines. I don't think there will be a great difference among them in power output at full throttle, fuel consumption, or reliability. I don't know how you predict the result of increased transom weight, but it is not very hard to test for it. If you are thinking about getting a new outboard engine that weighs 100-lbs more than your present outboard engine, just add 100-lbs of weight to the extreme aft end of the boat using, say, sand bags or other ballast. If you do choose a new outboard engine that is heavier, you can compensate by shifting gear around in the boat. Many boats have two lead-acid batteries in the stern. That is a weight of about 125- to 150-lbs that could be moved amidships. The larger cowling size and generally larger overall size of many four-stroke-power-cycle outboards can be a problem, both aesthetically and functionally. Some of the newer engines are just out of proportion for some boats. However, there are so many boat out there now with engines that are, frankly, in gigantic proportion to the boat, that we are all becoming accustomed to seeing them. They don't look as outrageously large as they used to, not because they are any smaller but because we are all just getting accustomed to the size of the newer engines. If the boat is used in certain activities, like fishing or water skiing, an outboard engine that is too tall and too big can be in the way all the time. Those considerations are highly dependent on the particular use. They may be important or may be nothing to even consider. If you have a preference for Suzuki, I'd go with your own thinking. I assume there is a good dealer in your area for that brand. I consider the support of a good dealer as probably the most important influence in a buying decision.
Jorgen	posted 12-28-2013 03:02 PM ET (US) I own a 1994 Outrage 19 II which is in mind condition. It is powered with a Mercury Optimax 200 hp, an does over 50 mph plus on Gps. Believe me, it handles excellent, performance as you want hour boat to perform with 5 people on board. No limitations here in europe as you have with us coastguard dough.
mkelly	posted 12-28-2013 11:13 PM ET (US) Jorgen, thx. I've never run into anyone with the over horsepowered setup. With my 60 lb trolling motor hung off the back (levered probably adds 100 lbs) still runs great without porpoising too much. 200 it is !