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phred3717 posted 04-27-2014 04:56 PM ET (US)   Profile for phred3717   Send Email to phred3717  
My loved (by me but no one else in the family) 1986 "old smokey" has passed and a new 150 hp E-TEC is being delived this week. We live in an area with pretty poor service and no propeller exchange program so I am pretty much stuck with what I buy.

My 1986 classic Outrage 18 has stock setup, single battery, leaning post and bottom paint. We are on the North Atlantic (Nova Scotia) and can get some pretty heavy seas. and I also use the boat for pulling kids a fair amount. All of which is to say I am not focussed on top speed.

I have been running a four-blade Cyclone on the old engine but am looking for advise on a good all round prop for the new etec. After reading many years of posts and Jim's excellent reference materials, I am leaning towards a Rebel 19-pitch (with engine mounted two holes up) or another Cyclone four-blade 17-pitch? Would appreciate some input. Not a lot of options unless I order on-line.

Thanks

Peter posted 04-27-2014 06:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Rebel over Cyclone, no need for a four-blade prop on a 18 Outrage.
Teak Oil posted 04-27-2014 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
A 19" Rebel will probably be too tall, the propeller runs very big for its pitch.

I would recommend a 17"; do a search and see what size others have used with the engine combo.

phred3717 posted 04-27-2014 09:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for phred3717  Send Email to phred3717     
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately not a lot of folks post the results of the excellent advice they get here. I have seen posts recommending both 17"and 19" rebel props but only one or two user posts with feedback on actual use (19")( thanks Stefan)
Marko888 posted 04-27-2014 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
Optimum WOT RPM for the E-Tec 150 is 5,500- to 5,600-RPM. Aim for this with your propeller setup. From the many posts I've read, 17 Rebel or 19 Viper in the BRP line for this engine on an Outrage 18.

You also mentioned pulling skiers, and top speed not important, so err on the side if less pitch, not too much pitch, for better torque for pulling and rough water.

Also, do some research here regarding engine mounting height.

Marko888 posted 04-27-2014 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marko888    
Correction: Optimum rpm noted above was revised for 2013, and it is now 5,500- to 5,750-RPM for the E-TEC 150
Teak Oil posted 04-28-2014 08:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
The 19" Rebel ran 54 mph on my E-Tec at about 5600 rpms with the same gear ratio that you have.

The 17" should get you to about 48mph at close to the same rpm, which is about where you will end up.

phred3717 posted 04-29-2014 06:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for phred3717  Send Email to phred3717     
Thanks guys.

Teak oil - i see the rebel now comes in an 18" pitch. I assume you would still recommend i start with 17" given my general application and that I pull a wakeboard from time to time?

I still think I will try the 4 blade cyclone - it ca be big following seas where I am and I like the control I got from my old prop.

My engine arrived today. Very excited. I have removed all the old rig and treated myself to hydrauliic steering finally as the old streering seized last winter. Some new spar varnish and a new canvass cover are also in the works. I plan to start commuting to work again now I will have a reliable engine - 15 minutes faster, no hassles and an ear to ear grin.

Teak Oil posted 04-29-2014 07:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
Yes 17" is the safe bet and better for your engine in the long run.

You want your WOT rpm to be about 5800 with a light load and 5500-5600 with a full load.

ratherwhalering posted 04-29-2014 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
Consider a Stiletto.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/004957.html

hauptjm posted 04-29-2014 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
I have the same set-up: 19" BRP Viper 14 3/4" diameter. Tom W Clark recommended and it has been a great prop.
phred3717 posted 04-30-2014 07:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for phred3717  Send Email to phred3717     
Well the engine is here but not the rigging.

Thanks for the comments - I think the Rebel 17" pitch or the Stiletto Advantage II, 14.25 x 17 seem like good choices to start. My dealer is no help though as he is primarily a motorcycle dealer so I am walking him through the process and will have to supervise installation.

I am looking for another dealer locally ie within 200 miles or so that was a prop exchange program so that may decided BRP v. Mercury.

I started installing the Baystar steering lines and helm last night after struggling to pull the old steering wheel.

Teak Oil posted 04-30-2014 08:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Teak Oil  Send Email to Teak Oil     
If you are not getting a prop with motor, the Stiletto will be a good choice and probably save you a hundred bucks. Once you get some baseline numbers to work with you can make a choice from there.
Don SSDD posted 04-30-2014 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Don SSDD    
Where in NS, I am near Mahone Bay. Be interested to hear how you like that setup.

Don

phred3717 posted 04-30-2014 11:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for phred3717  Send Email to phred3717     
I am in Halifax Don. I Bought my Outrage in Kentucky about 10 years ago from the first owner and trailered it up. Its been a great boat and my two kids just got their boating licenses so its a good time to repower and upgrade the steering.

Based on the great advice here and the data everyone has posted I am going to try and order the Stiletto tomorrow and see how it works on the new engine - it appears to be about a $300 savings (taxes and shipping in) over the Rebel unless the dealer sharpens his pencil.

Don SSDD posted 05-01-2014 08:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for Don SSDD    
Thanks Phred. I am guessing the new motor will make a big difference when compared to a 1986 model 2 stroke. Now if the weather would cooperate.

Don

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