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Drowningbait posted 07-12-2015 05:44 PM ET (US)
I ran across a decent deal on a Mercury VERADO FourStroke 150. My concern is the weight of the engine. I think I read that it weighs 510-lbs--the same weight as the 175, and 200 models, I think! Do you guys think that an engine of 510-lbsr is too much weight for an Outrage 17? It's rated for 150-HP max. I don't think 150's weighed that much in 1998. Has anyone seen or heard of anybody with a motor that heavy on this hull? Thanks.
Jefecinco posted 07-13-2015 09:17 AM ET (US)
If you can find the weight of the 1998 Mercury 150 HP engine and compare that with the weight of the Verado it could help. Ensure the shaft lengths are the same.
My 190 Montauk with a 135 HP Verado which weighs the same as the 150, 175, and 200 HP models provided a bit over 44 MPH (GPS) when new. It will probably do a hair better now. Your 17 should turn an impressive bit of speed with the Verado 150.
If you buy the Verado I recommend you also get the SmartCraft gauge package and the Electronic Throttle and Shift.
My Verado is now five years old. It has never had a [malfunction] and is incredibly responsive with amazing torque. I really like this supercharged engine and highly recommend it.
Butch
jimh posted 07-13-2015 04:31 PM ET (US)
Figure out the difference in weight between your present engine and the new engine. Add that much weight to the boat transom, or as close as you can to the transom. Use sand bags or something similar. Then go for spin. Compare how the boat handles with the added weight concentrated at the transom.
Drowningbait posted 07-14-2015 04:23 PM ET (US)
Ok, I called Boston whaler on this issue. So, I wanted to post it here just In case anyone else wanted this info. The 1998 17ft outrage hull is rated for a 150 max hp motor. The problem is that a 150 motor these days weighs a bit more than they did in 1998. Especially if you are talking about a 4 stroke, and the verado is about the heaviest of the 4 strokes. This particular model (17ft outrage 2 as it's known to some) is now used as a justice model for government agencies. They (the government) didn't rate the hull with a max HP rating but rather a max motor weight rating for maximum safe performance. They rated it with a max motor weight of 433lbs. The verado weighs 510 lbs and would most likely be a bit too much weight. The guy I talked to said that the transom could probably handle the weight just fine but I would most likely get the best performance out of a motor that weighed around what the max weight recommended by those agencies. He said he wouldn't go much more than 20-30lbs over that rating for the best performance. Anyway, I just thought I would share the info with u guys!
jimh posted 07-14-2015 04:38 PM ET (US)
Consider the E-TEC 150-HP or new model Yamaha F150. The weight of those engines should be much more compatible with the recommendation you received from "someone" at Boston Whaler.
msirof2001 posted 07-14-2015 07:21 PM ET (US)
Yamaha F150 weight (from Yamaha's website): F150LA = 218 kg (480lbs) F150XA = 223 kg (491 lbs)
Evinrude E150 V6 (from Evinrude's website): 418lbs 20" shaft, 433lbs 25" shaft.
From Suzuki Website: Suzuki DF150 474lbs 20" shaft, 485lbs 25" shaft.
From Honda Website: BF150 478lbs 20" shaft, 485lbs 25" shaft.
If that someone at Whaler was Chuck Bennett, you got the best advice.
masbama posted 07-14-2015 09:46 PM ET (US)
Think of a Suzuki 140hp
Drowningbait posted 07-15-2015 09:29 AM ET (US)
I think that's his name! It's my fault for not writing it down. I didn't want to guess. Thanks for the weight info on those motors. Looks like the e-tec would be the perfect fit!
Drowningbait posted 07-15-2015 09:30 AM ET (US)
Does anyone have any experience with the Suzuki 140? I have never had one or been on a boat powered by one.
Hoosier posted 07-16-2015 08:45 AM ET (US)
Not the Df-140 but I had a DF-175 on my 21 WA. It was an awesome engine. I think they are essentially the same engine, what Suzuki calls their "Big Block Four" family. I have a DF-115 on my Outrage V-20 and it now 10 years old and has never been to a dealer for repairs.
Drowningbait posted 07-16-2015 12:45 PM ET (US)
I thought that the 150 and above was the "big block"? I'm not 100% certain but I think the 140 is a smaller block.

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Author	Topic: 1998 OUTRAGE 17, VERADO FourStroke 150
Drowningbait	posted 07-12-2015 05:44 PM ET (US) I ran across a decent deal on a Mercury VERADO FourStroke 150. My concern is the weight of the engine. I think I read that it weighs 510-lbs--the same weight as the 175, and 200 models, I think! Do you guys think that an engine of 510-lbsr is too much weight for an Outrage 17? It's rated for 150-HP max. I don't think 150's weighed that much in 1998. Has anyone seen or heard of anybody with a motor that heavy on this hull? Thanks.
Jefecinco	posted 07-13-2015 09:17 AM ET (US) If you can find the weight of the 1998 Mercury 150 HP engine and compare that with the weight of the Verado it could help. Ensure the shaft lengths are the same. My 190 Montauk with a 135 HP Verado which weighs the same as the 150, 175, and 200 HP models provided a bit over 44 MPH (GPS) when new. It will probably do a hair better now. Your 17 should turn an impressive bit of speed with the Verado 150. If you buy the Verado I recommend you also get the SmartCraft gauge package and the Electronic Throttle and Shift. My Verado is now five years old. It has never had a [malfunction] and is incredibly responsive with amazing torque. I really like this supercharged engine and highly recommend it. Butch
jimh	posted 07-13-2015 04:31 PM ET (US) Figure out the difference in weight between your present engine and the new engine. Add that much weight to the boat transom, or as close as you can to the transom. Use sand bags or something similar. Then go for spin. Compare how the boat handles with the added weight concentrated at the transom.
Drowningbait	posted 07-14-2015 04:23 PM ET (US) Ok, I called Boston whaler on this issue. So, I wanted to post it here just In case anyone else wanted this info. The 1998 17ft outrage hull is rated for a 150 max hp motor. The problem is that a 150 motor these days weighs a bit more than they did in 1998. Especially if you are talking about a 4 stroke, and the verado is about the heaviest of the 4 strokes. This particular model (17ft outrage 2 as it's known to some) is now used as a justice model for government agencies. They (the government) didn't rate the hull with a max HP rating but rather a max motor weight rating for maximum safe performance. They rated it with a max motor weight of 433lbs. The verado weighs 510 lbs and would most likely be a bit too much weight. The guy I talked to said that the transom could probably handle the weight just fine but I would most likely get the best performance out of a motor that weighed around what the max weight recommended by those agencies. He said he wouldn't go much more than 20-30lbs over that rating for the best performance. Anyway, I just thought I would share the info with u guys!
jimh	posted 07-14-2015 04:38 PM ET (US) Consider the E-TEC 150-HP or new model Yamaha F150. The weight of those engines should be much more compatible with the recommendation you received from "someone" at Boston Whaler.
msirof2001	posted 07-14-2015 07:21 PM ET (US) Yamaha F150 weight (from Yamaha's website): F150LA = 218 kg (480lbs) F150XA = 223 kg (491 lbs) Evinrude E150 V6 (from Evinrude's website): 418lbs 20" shaft, 433lbs 25" shaft. From Suzuki Website: Suzuki DF150 474lbs 20" shaft, 485lbs 25" shaft. From Honda Website: BF150 478lbs 20" shaft, 485lbs 25" shaft. If that someone at Whaler was Chuck Bennett, you got the best advice.
masbama	posted 07-14-2015 09:46 PM ET (US) Think of a Suzuki 140hp
Drowningbait	posted 07-15-2015 09:29 AM ET (US) I think that's his name! It's my fault for not writing it down. I didn't want to guess. Thanks for the weight info on those motors. Looks like the e-tec would be the perfect fit!
Drowningbait	posted 07-15-2015 09:30 AM ET (US) Does anyone have any experience with the Suzuki 140? I have never had one or been on a boat powered by one.
Hoosier	posted 07-16-2015 08:45 AM ET (US) Not the Df-140 but I had a DF-175 on my 21 WA. It was an awesome engine. I think they are essentially the same engine, what Suzuki calls their "Big Block Four" family. I have a DF-115 on my Outrage V-20 and it now 10 years old and has never been to a dealer for repairs.
Drowningbait	posted 07-16-2015 12:45 PM ET (US) I thought that the 150 and above was the "big block"? I'm not 100% certain but I think the 140 is a smaller block.