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padrefigure posted 01-09-2007 06:12 PM ET (US)
Garmin's website shows a completely new line-up for 2007 Marine Chart Plotter, GPS, and SONAR equipment. Their MSRP's appear lower than street prices of current equipment. The intro date is listed as first quarter 2007. Has anyone seen the 420, 430,440, and 450 units (and their "s" versions)? What did you think? How were they priced?
ConB posted 01-09-2007 07:41 PM ET (US)
I've been patiently waiting for more information on the new Garmin line up also. They look good so far.
I checked their web site today and discovered they have a Garmin that my bird dog needs. Where will it all go from here?
Con
bluewaterpirate posted 01-09-2007 10:51 PM ET (US)
I have seen a GPSMap 440x up close & personal but wasn't permitted to really give a thorough workout. Most of what I observed was from the simulation mode but I was also allowed to scroll thru the menus and displays. I was very impressed with what I saw. It has a 4" display that is crisp & clear and as with all Garmins has intuitive easy to use functionality.
The 440 comes with a full worldwide Bluechart basemap that can be enhanced with the optional BlueChart G2 Vision card. This provides high-resolution aerial reference photos for help navigating tricky harbors and channels — or locating spots like area marinas, fuel stops or restaurants. The G2 Vision plug-in data card also allows the GPSMAP 440 to graphically depict a true 3D “mariner’s eye” topside view or “fish eye” underwater navigation perspective.

The 440 comes in a number of different configurations:
1. GPS/Chartplotter
2. GPS/Chartplotter with XM/XM Weather
3. GPS/Chartplotter/Sonar Combination
4. GPX/Chartplotter/Sonar with XM/XM Weather
The 440's that come with XM/XM Weather functionality come with a GDM31 XM Smart Antenna (this is a combo antenna that receives both XM music & Weather data}.
I've heard that Garmin has enhanced their sonar capabilites. The 440 comes with a transom mounted dual frequency or dual beam transducer. The sonar side of it is still not classified as high definition so I really can't say how it will compare with the Raymarine & Furuno HD FF's.
The prices I've seen are from online vendors
1. $495
2. $648
3. $567
4. $715
I think the 440 series is a good full featured Combo unit with terrific functionality that we've come to expect from Garmin marine products.
Hope this helped. I'll try and get some video.
mfrymier posted 01-10-2007 01:55 PM ET (US)
Are any of these units NMEA 2000 compatible?
bluewaterpirate posted 01-10-2007 02:24 PM ET (US)
Not sure did not have access to an owners manual. Their more expensive cousins are the 4000 serie.
Sorry ....
Tom
Chuck Tribolet posted 01-10-2007 03:16 PM ET (US)
Googling Garmin 440 NMEA came up with several vendor sites
that said:
Two NMEA 0183 ports on the 440 and 440s, One on the 440x and 440sx.

Chuck
bluewaterpirate posted 01-10-2007 04:47 PM ET (US)
What is interesting in regards to the new family of Garmin's is that the 430/430s, 440/440s, & 4000 series models are the only ones that have the XM/XM Weather functionality. The 500/5x5 series don't have that functionality.
Tom
ConB posted 01-10-2007 06:44 PM ET (US)
Does the G2 card enhance charts or does it add the photos?
For Great Lakes cruising do I want a 430/530/535?
What is the difference between the three units?
I was hoping for the XM weather on the larger 500 series screen.
Tom, where have you looked at the units?
Con
bluewaterpirate posted 01-10-2007 07:26 PM ET (US)
I saw them thru the vendor at an Marine electronics training seminar. All I saw was the 4212 & 440. The Garmin Web Site has a pretty good overview of each unit. I am very surprised that the 500 & 5x5 series is not XM capable.
Tom
bluewaterpirate posted 01-10-2007 07:47 PM ET (US)
Here are the Garmin links:
430/430s
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap430/
530/530s
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap530/
535/535s
http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap535/

There you go.
Tom
Peter posted 01-10-2007 08:38 PM ET (US)
Thanks. I need a fish finder and GPS for my 18 Outrage and these look very interesting and reasonably priced. But how do they come up with the $.66 in the MSRP?
ConB posted 01-10-2007 10:52 PM ET (US)
Thanks Tom. I guess I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between a 530 and a 535.
The people at our local West Marine and Boaters World didn't know that new stuff is coming out let alone any details.
Con
padrefigure posted 01-10-2007 11:16 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the information. One more question: I boat mostly in inland lakes. I think the 430/430s comes loaded with US inland lake maps. I also boat occaisionally at the Gulf coast. I think the 440/440s comes loaded with a region of coastal maps. To fill both needs, would I buy the 430/430s and the blue chart chip to add the coastal data?
Chuck Tribolet posted 01-10-2007 11:42 PM ET (US)
Well, the 535 has two buttons at the top of the button area,
the 530 has one.
The 535 has a VGA display, the 530 has QVGA, whatever that is.
AH, thanks to tigergps.com, QVGA is QuarterVGA, 240x320 instead
of 480x640.
And the 535 is a couple of hundred clams more.

Chuck
Buckda posted 01-11-2007 06:15 PM ET (US)
For the bigger boats - Garmin is having a sale on their 2210 Chart Plotter with 10.4 inch display through select vendors...nearly $800 off list price on the Garmin site.
nice.
Dave
swist posted 01-12-2007 09:01 AM ET (US)
Note that the Garmin site states "first quarter 2007" availability for the new line. That means March or probably later in product-delivery-speak. I did notice prices significantly under MSRP at various online sites, but since they don't really have any, all you are doing is making a reservation. I would wait for the dust to settle here - Because GPS/mapping technology is not just for boating, there is a good chance that we finally may get the benefit of the constant significant almost-monthly price drop of consumer electronics. That was never possible for equipment used solely by the marine industry.
ConB posted 01-13-2007 03:06 PM ET (US)
Thanks to Chucks tigergps.com link I found this.
http://www.tigergps.com/garminxmas2006.html
Assuming it is correct information, I wonder way Garmin's web sight didn't state the information so clearly?
Con

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Author	Topic: Garmin 2007: Chart Plotter, GPS, and SONAR
padrefigure	posted 01-09-2007 06:12 PM ET (US) Garmin's website shows a completely new line-up for 2007 Marine Chart Plotter, GPS, and SONAR equipment. Their MSRP's appear lower than street prices of current equipment. The intro date is listed as first quarter 2007. Has anyone seen the 420, 430,440, and 450 units (and their "s" versions)? What did you think? How were they priced?
ConB	posted 01-09-2007 07:41 PM ET (US) I've been patiently waiting for more information on the new Garmin line up also. They look good so far. I checked their web site today and discovered they have a Garmin that my bird dog needs. Where will it all go from here? Con
bluewaterpirate	posted 01-09-2007 10:51 PM ET (US) I have seen a GPSMap 440x up close & personal but wasn't permitted to really give a thorough workout. Most of what I observed was from the simulation mode but I was also allowed to scroll thru the menus and displays. I was very impressed with what I saw. It has a 4" display that is crisp & clear and as with all Garmins has intuitive easy to use functionality. The 440 comes with a full worldwide Bluechart basemap that can be enhanced with the optional BlueChart G2 Vision card. This provides high-resolution aerial reference photos for help navigating tricky harbors and channels — or locating spots like area marinas, fuel stops or restaurants. The G2 Vision plug-in data card also allows the GPSMAP 440 to graphically depict a true 3D “mariner’s eye” topside view or “fish eye” underwater navigation perspective. The 440 comes in a number of different configurations: 1. GPS/Chartplotter 2. GPS/Chartplotter with XM/XM Weather 3. GPS/Chartplotter/Sonar Combination 4. GPX/Chartplotter/Sonar with XM/XM Weather The 440's that come with XM/XM Weather functionality come with a GDM31 XM Smart Antenna (this is a combo antenna that receives both XM music & Weather data}. I've heard that Garmin has enhanced their sonar capabilites. The 440 comes with a transom mounted dual frequency or dual beam transducer. The sonar side of it is still not classified as high definition so I really can't say how it will compare with the Raymarine & Furuno HD FF's. The prices I've seen are from online vendors 1. $495 2. $648 3. $567 4. $715 I think the 440 series is a good full featured Combo unit with terrific functionality that we've come to expect from Garmin marine products. Hope this helped. I'll try and get some video.
mfrymier	posted 01-10-2007 01:55 PM ET (US) Are any of these units NMEA 2000 compatible?
bluewaterpirate	posted 01-10-2007 02:24 PM ET (US) Not sure did not have access to an owners manual. Their more expensive cousins are the 4000 serie. Sorry .... Tom
Chuck Tribolet	posted 01-10-2007 03:16 PM ET (US) Googling Garmin 440 NMEA came up with several vendor sites that said: Two NMEA 0183 ports on the 440 and 440s, One on the 440x and 440sx. Chuck
bluewaterpirate	posted 01-10-2007 04:47 PM ET (US) What is interesting in regards to the new family of Garmin's is that the 430/430s, 440/440s, & 4000 series models are the only ones that have the XM/XM Weather functionality. The 500/5x5 series don't have that functionality. Tom
ConB	posted 01-10-2007 06:44 PM ET (US) Does the G2 card enhance charts or does it add the photos? For Great Lakes cruising do I want a 430/530/535? What is the difference between the three units? I was hoping for the XM weather on the larger 500 series screen. Tom, where have you looked at the units? Con
bluewaterpirate	posted 01-10-2007 07:26 PM ET (US) I saw them thru the vendor at an Marine electronics training seminar. All I saw was the 4212 & 440. The Garmin Web Site has a pretty good overview of each unit. I am very surprised that the 500 & 5x5 series is not XM capable. Tom
bluewaterpirate	posted 01-10-2007 07:47 PM ET (US) Here are the Garmin links: 430/430s http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap430/ 530/530s http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap530/ 535/535s http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap535/ There you go. Tom
Peter	posted 01-10-2007 08:38 PM ET (US) Thanks. I need a fish finder and GPS for my 18 Outrage and these look very interesting and reasonably priced. But how do they come up with the $.66 in the MSRP?
ConB	posted 01-10-2007 10:52 PM ET (US) Thanks Tom. I guess I'm not smart enough to tell the difference between a 530 and a 535. The people at our local West Marine and Boaters World didn't know that new stuff is coming out let alone any details. Con
padrefigure	posted 01-10-2007 11:16 PM ET (US) Thanks for the information. One more question: I boat mostly in inland lakes. I think the 430/430s comes loaded with US inland lake maps. I also boat occaisionally at the Gulf coast. I think the 440/440s comes loaded with a region of coastal maps. To fill both needs, would I buy the 430/430s and the blue chart chip to add the coastal data?
Chuck Tribolet	posted 01-10-2007 11:42 PM ET (US) Well, the 535 has two buttons at the top of the button area, the 530 has one. The 535 has a VGA display, the 530 has QVGA, whatever that is. AH, thanks to tigergps.com, QVGA is QuarterVGA, 240x320 instead of 480x640. And the 535 is a couple of hundred clams more. Chuck
Buckda	posted 01-11-2007 06:15 PM ET (US) For the bigger boats - Garmin is having a sale on their 2210 Chart Plotter with 10.4 inch display through select vendors...nearly $800 off list price on the Garmin site. nice. Dave
swist	posted 01-12-2007 09:01 AM ET (US) Note that the Garmin site states "first quarter 2007" availability for the new line. That means March or probably later in product-delivery-speak. I did notice prices significantly under MSRP at various online sites, but since they don't really have any, all you are doing is making a reservation. I would wait for the dust to settle here - Because GPS/mapping technology is not just for boating, there is a good chance that we finally may get the benefit of the constant significant almost-monthly price drop of consumer electronics. That was never possible for equipment used solely by the marine industry.
ConB	posted 01-13-2007 03:06 PM ET (US) Thanks to Chucks tigergps.com link I found this. http://www.tigergps.com/garminxmas2006.html Assuming it is correct information, I wonder way Garmin's web sight didn't state the information so clearly? Con