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Jefecinco posted 11-27-2009 06:44 PM ET (US)   Profile for Jefecinco   Send Email to Jefecinco  
Standard Horizon has a new GX2100 VHF Marine Band radio with AIS receiver that has a minimum advertise price of $400. For coastal and commercially navigable lake and river small boat owners this could be a unit that provides all the VHF features you want plus provides AIS capability in both transmit and receive modes.

The ability to know when you are in the path of or on a meeting course with commercial shipping could be very helpful to most. Also having the ability to immediately communicate with the commercial vessel and having its name on a readable screen could be useful.

I think this new product is well worth a look.

Butch

jimh posted 11-28-2009 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
quote:
"...provides AIS capability in both transmit and receive modes.

I am unclear what you mean by this. Are you trying to say this new radio is an AIS transponder? My impression was it was only an AIS receiver. I have not seen any formal announcement from Standard Horizon about this new product, so I am not sure what are the precise specifications for the product.

Chuck Tribolet posted 11-28-2009 07:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Here's a copy of the press release:
LINK

AIS Receiver only, not a transponder.


Chuck

jimh posted 11-28-2009 09:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Even better, here is the press release:

Standard Horizon Announces the GX2000 MATRIX and GX2100 MATRIX AIS

November 25, 2009

Available January 2010
Minimum Advertised Price: $229.99
MATRIX GX2000S (Replacement for GX3000S)
Features: 25W, 80dB. Class D. Fixed Mount VHF radio. with optional AIS input, AIS Ship DSC call, Navigation display, speaker microphone, 30W PA/Loud Hailer/Fog, option and second station Remote Access Microphone option (Available in Black and White)


Available January 2010
Minimum Advertise Price: $399.99
MATRIX AIS GX2100 (new product category)
Feaures: 25W 80dB Class D Fixed Mount VHF, Integrated AIS receiver, AIS Ship DSC Call, Navigation display, speaker microphone, 30W PA/Loud Hailer/Fog with listen back and second station Remote Access Microphone option (Available in Black and White)


MATRIX – GX2000 (Available in Black and White)
The GX2000 MATRIX is capable of being connected to an optional AIS receiver or transponder to display AIS target vessels directly on the VHF radios display using the dedicated AIS key. When connected to an AIS device the GX2000 will display AIS target information (MMSI, Call Sign, Ship Name, BRG, DST, SOG and COG) and will allow you to contact an AIS Ship directly using DSC, show your vessels position in relation to AIS targets and alert you when an AIS ship may be approaching to close to your location via the Closest Point of Approach (CPA) Alarm.

The GX2000 features an 80dB commercial grade receive with Local/Distance attenuator, Class D DSC (dedicated channel 70 receiver continuously watches for DSC calls), powerful 30 Watt PA/Loud Hailer with preprogrammed fog signals.

Other great features include die-cast chassis for durability, user-changeable channel names, optional voice scrambler, ClearVoice noise canceling speaker microphone, 4.5 Watt audio output, NOAA Weather Alert, Programmable Scan, Priority Scan and Dual Watch.

The GX2000 is also capable of entering and saving up to 100 waypoints, which may be selected and navigated to by using a unique navigation compass display which shows your vessels SOG, COG and the BRG (Bearing) and DST (Distance) to the waypoint. The GX2000 is capable of being connected to a RAM3 Remote Access Microphone, allowing control of all VHF, DSC and hailer functions remotely as well as add an intercom between the radio and second station microphone. Another unique feature is the ability of the GX2000 to "poll" (request and send) the GPS location of another vessel and show that vessel's position on the radio’s alphanumeric display. When connected to a compatible GPS chart plotter, the GX2000 allows the position of the polled vessel to be shown on the chart plotter display. This is a great feature for maintaining contact with fishing or cruising “buddy” boats. The MATRIX is backed by an industry leading 3-year waterproof warranty.

Features:
--AIS (Automatic Identification System) receiver or transponder connection
--AIS target display*: MMSI, Call Sign, Ship Name, BRG, DST, SOG and COG
--Contact AIS Ship with DSC*
--CPA (Closest Point of Approach) Alarm*
--80dB Commercial grade receiver
--Class D DSC (Digital Selective Calling) with Individual, All ship, Position Report, Request and Distress
--Independent Channel 70 receiver built-in for continuous DSC watch
--Local/Distance attenuator
--Enter, Save and Navigate to waypoints with Compass page**
--Navigate to a DSC Distress Call**
--Submersible JIS-7 / IPX7 (3.3 feet for 30 minutes)
--ClearVoice noise canceling speaker microphone with channel selection and 16/9 key
--Oversized rotary channel knob with push to enter, backlit display and keys
--30 Watt PA/Loud Hailer with preprogrammed fog signals
--Capable of connecting an optional RAM3 second station remote microphone
--Intercom between radio and RAM3
--DSC position request and report functions when connected to compatible GPS chart plotter
--Voice Scrambler (optional)
--Versatile user-programmable scanning, priority scan and Dual Watch
--One-button access to Channel 16 and 9
--User programmable soft keys
--Navigation (LAT/LON, SOG and COG) information shown on display when connected to GPS
--38400 AIS HDM sentence output to compatible GPS chart plotter
--3 Year Waterproof Warranty

*when connected to an optional AIS receiver or transponder
**when connected to an optional GPS

Channel Selection: Rotary knob, up/down keys on microphone

Controls: Volume, squelch, channel knob, spring loaded DSC distress cover, backlit keypad

Mic Controls: Channel selection, 16/9 key

Display Type: Backlit alphanumeric LCD

Scanning Modes: programmable, priority and Dual Watch Weather

Alert: Yes

Transmit Power: 25/1 Watt

PA/FOG Power: 30 Watt

NMEA Inputs: GLL, GGA, GNS, RMC

NMEA Outputs: DSC, DSE

Dimensions: TBD

Flush Mount Cutout: TBD

Current Draw: 5A/0.5A

Waterproof: Front panel meets JIS-7 / IPX7, submersible 3’ for 30 minutes

Warranty: 3 years, including water damage, after warranty a $65 flat rate covers the repair.


MATRIX AIS – GX2100 (Available in Black and White)

The GX2100 MATRIX AIS integrates a dual channel AIS (Automatic Identification System) receiver that displays received AIS target vessels directly on the VHF radio. The GX2100 displays AIS target information (MMSI, Call Sign, Ship Name, BRG, DST, SOG and COG) and will allow you to contact an AIS Ship directly using DSC, show your vessels position in relation to AIS targets and alert you when an AIS ship may be approaching to close to your location via the Closest Point of Approach (CPA) Alarm. One antenna input is all that is needed since the GX2100 utilizes the VHF antenna to receive targets from ships with AIS class A or B transponders. The GX2100S features an 80dB commercial grade receive with Local/Distance attenuator, Class D DSC (dedicated channel 70 receiver continuously watches for DSC calls), powerful 30 Watt PA/Loud Hailer with listen back, and preprogrammed fog signs.

Other great features include; die-cast chassis for durability, user-changeable channel names, optional voice scrambler, ClearVoice noise canceling speaker microphone, 4.5 Watt audio output, NOAA Weather Alert, Programmable Scan, Priority Scan and Dual Watch. The GX2100 is also capable of entering and saving up to 100 waypoints, which may be selected and navigated to by using a unique navigation compass display which shows your vessels SOG, COG and the BRG (Bearing) and DST (Distance) to the waypoint*.

The GX2100 is capable of being connected to a RAM3 Remote Access Microphone, allowing control of all VHF, DSC and hailer functions remotely as well as add an intercom between the radio and second station microphone. Another unique feature is the ability of the GX2100 to "poll" (request and send) the GPS LAT/LON of another vessel and show the vessel's position on the radio’s alphanumeric display or send the data to a compatible GPS chart plotter to be viewed directly on the chart. This is a great feature for maintaining contact with fishing or cruising “buddy” boats. The GX2100 also has the capability to send AIS target information to a chart plotter via NMEA. The MATRIX is backed by an industry leading 3-year waterproof warranty.

Features:
--Integrated dual channel AIS (Automatic Identification System) receiver
--AIS target display: MMSI, Call Sign, Ship Name, BRG, DST, SOG and COG
--Contact AIS Ship with DSC
--CPA (Closest Point of Approach) Alarm
--80dB Commercial grade receiver
--Class D DSC (Digital Selective Calling) with Individual, All ship, Position Report, Request and Distress
--Independent Channel 70 receiver built-in for continuous DSC watch
--Local/Distance attenuator
--Enter, Save and Navigate to waypoints with Compass page*
--Navigate to a DSC Distress Call*
--Submersible JIS-7 / IPX7 (3.3 feet for 30 minutes)
--ClearVoice noise canceling speaker microphone with channel selection and 16/9 key
--Oversized rotary channel knob with push to enter, backlit display and keys
--30 Watt PA/Loud Hailer with preprogrammed fog signals and listen back
--Capable of connecting an optional RAM3 second station remote microphone
--Intercom between radio and RAM3
--DSC position request and report functions when connected to compatible GPS chart plotter
--Voice Scrambler (optional)
--Versatile user-programmable scanning, priority scan and Dual Watch
--One-button access to Channel 16 and 9
--User programmable soft keys
--Navigation (LAT/LON, SOG and COG) information shown on display when connected to GPS
--38400 AIS HDM sentence output to compatible GPS Chart Plotter
--3 Year Waterproof Warranty

*when connected to a GPS

Channel Selection: Rotary knob, up/down keys on microphone

Controls: Volume, squelch, channel knob, spring loaded DSC distress cover, backlit keypad

Microphone Controls: Channel selection, 16/9 key

Display Type: Backlit alphanumeric LCD

Scanning Modes: programmable, priority and Dual Watch

Weather Alert: Yes

Transmit Power: 25/1 Watt

PA/FOG Power: 30 Watt with listen back

NMEA Inputs: GLL, GGA, GNS, RMC

NMEA Outputs: DSC, DSE and VDM

Dimensions: TBD

Flush Mount Cutout: TBD

Current Draw: 5A/0.5A

Waterproof: Front panel meets JIS-7 / IPX7, submersible 3’ for 30 minutes

Warranty: 3 years, including water damage, after warranty a $65 flat rate covers the repair.

jimh posted 11-28-2009 10:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The just-announced Standard Horizon GX2100 VHF Marine Band radio with integrated AIS dual channel receiver is a terrific new product that brings AIS reception to a sensible price point. I want one!

Image: New Standard-Horizon GX2100 VHF Marine Band radio with AIS receiver

What attracts me to this new radio:

--the 80-dB intermodulation rating which improves the receiver performance compared to my current Standard Horizon radio (a GX1500S);

--smaller size than previous radios (based on the size shown above relative to the microphone);

--soft-key buttons for better user interface and easier control of radio functions; and, most amazing,

--built-in AIS receiver with dual channel monitoring.

The improved receiver intermodulation performance will be very useful when operating in crowded harbors or near shore where there are high power stations in adjacent bands. In receivers, you can never have too much intermodulation performance.

The smaller size is very nice for use on small boats where space around the helm station is always at a premium.

The soft-key three button control interface will likely improve the user interface to the radio controls. I hope the menu structure will be well organized to take advantage of them.

I had been contemplating getting an external AIS receiver, and that would have required using a separate antenna or adding an external antenna splitter-combiner. Neither solution is attractive on a small boat. The integration of the AIS receiver into the VHF Marine Band radio is the obvious solution. Standard-Horizon has provided the antenna splitter and the AIS receiver in the communication radio itself.

The modest $170 price increase (to $400 from $230) to add the AIS dual channel receiver and integrated antenna splitter to the new Standard Horizon Matrix radio represents a new best-price for these features. Currently the least expensive external dual channel AIS receiver is priced at about $370, and it requires its own antenna or an active antenna splitter. Adding a separate antenna would cost about $100, or using an active splitter (that is, a splitter that could protect the receiver when the VHF Marine Band radio sharing the antenna is transmitting) would cost about $120. This meant the total expense for AIS dual channel reception would be about $470 to $490 at a minimum. The new Standard-Horizon radio comes in at $300 less expensive.

Jefecinco posted 11-28-2009 10:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Jim & Chuck,

Thank you for the correction. My apologies for the error.

Regardless, the specifications and MAP of $400 makes that a very attractive radio/AIS. Very timely for me as my Icom is about ready for replacement. Although it functions well it is now over ten years old and lacks DSC.

Not a big issue but the radio color changed from white to yellow about 18 months after installation. As the boat is always covered except when on the water that was a surprise.

Looks like the other manufacturers are now in catch up mode.

Butch

jimh posted 11-28-2009 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Garmin has already announced a VHF Marine Band radio with an integrated AIS receiver in their model VHF 300 AIS. The MSRP for the Garmin VHF Marine Band radio with integrated AIS receiver is $1,000. Where Garmin has some catching up to do is in the price. The Matrix AIS from Standard Horizon is $600 less expensive, a rather substantial price advantage which Garmin will have to overcome.

The Garmin radio does provide an NMEA-2000 network interface, which may be useful in some cases, but an awful premium must be paid for that feature. The Garmin radio is two and half times the price of the Standard-Horizon.

I do not believe that ICOM is offering any VHF Marine Band radios with integrated AIS receivers for sale in North America. ICOM was already off the pace of VHF Marine Radios before this new Standard-Horizon MATRIX AIS model was introduced. They do not have a competitively priced Class-D rated VHF Marine radio. Indeed, the ICOM Class-D rated radio costs more than this new Standard-Horizon radio with the AIS receiver. ICOM has been increasingly slow to introduce new products for the marine radio market. It will be interesting to see how long it will take them to respond to this latest challenge.

Chuck Tribolet posted 11-28-2009 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
http://www.standardhorizon.com/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=4989& FileCatID=86&FileName=GX2000%20and%20GX2100%20dimensions.pdf& FileContentType=application/pdf has the dimensions
of the GX2000 and GX2100. They are essentially the same
as the GX1500 (possibly 2.3mm shallower, the same width and
height).


Chuck

jimh posted 11-28-2009 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Thanks for the link to the dimensions. That PDF confirms my estimate (that was based on the photograph above): the new GX2000 radio is smaller than the one it replaces (the GX3000).

There is a micro-electronic circuit developer in England, CML MICROCIRCUITS, that has developed some very highly specialized integrated circuits specifically for marine AIS receiver applications. These integrated circuit components should reduce the cost and development time for manufacturers building AIS receivers. It would be interesting to know if the new Standard-Horizon MATRIX AIS receiver used these CML chips.

More on CML's semiconductor chips:

http://www.cmlmicro.com/Products/Index.asp?/products/land/aisland.htm& searchvalue=AIS&search=feature

http://www.epn-online.com/page/new52472/class-b-ais-the-design-challenge.html

Jefecinco posted 11-28-2009 07:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
Interesting that Garmin's VHF/AIS provides NMEA 2000 network connectivity. My Lowrance LCX111HD MFD is a somewhat early NMEA 2000 device. I've read that not every Class D VHF is plug and play connectible to my MFD. Possibly the Garmin will install in the backbone.

I hope that by the time the Standard Horizon GX2000/2100 ship I can determine if it will connect to and operate with my MFD. Being electronic device challenged I hope to figure out the answer. Any advice?

Butch

jimh posted 11-29-2009 12:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Regarding communication of serial data between an AIS receiver and a display device, and whether it can be sent via a NMEA-2000 network instead of an NMEA-0183 direct connection, there seems to be some serious discussion about this. I have not made a thorough study of this issue, but I do have some understanding of the elements to be considered.

If an AIS receiver is in an area with a lot of ships transmitting AIS information, there could be plenty of data to transmit from the receiver to the display, and for this reason the speed of the serial data output from the AIS receiver is increased to 38,400-kbps. This is a higher speed than the usual NMEA-0183 serial port speed (4,800-bps), so you have to set the display serial interface to match. Other than the speed change, the interconnection is normal: serial data out on the AIS receiver to serial data in on the display.

Judging from the never-ending questions from boaters about connecting NMEA-0183 devices (and the never-ending wrong answers they elicit from other boaters), many are very confused about serial data connections, and in this light a NMEA-2000 network interface might make interconnection simpler.

jimh posted 11-29-2009 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     

Looking at the image (above) of the new GX2100 MATRIX AIS radio, it appears that the radio is configured to allow the operator to initiate a digital selective call to a target ship identified on the AIS screen. Since that might not be clear to everyone, let me explain what I mean.

Assume you are fishing at night and the AIS receiver picks up a commercial ship that is headed toward you. In the process of receiving the AIS transmission from this ship, you now have its marine mobile service identity (MMSI). You can use the MMSI to initiate a selective call to that ship's digital selective call (DSC) radio. Normally you would need to enter the MMSI code into your DSC radio to make the call. With the integration of the AIS receiver and a DSC radio in the GX2100 MATRIX AIS radio, it appears that you can make a DSC call to your AIS target simply by pushing the soft-key CALL on the front panel of the radio.

Without the integration of the AIS receiver and the VHF Marine Band radio into one unit, it might still be possible to obtain this sort of integration of their operation and convenient functionality, but there is no guarantee that every AIS receiver, every DSC radio, and every chart plotter would be able to do this.

20dauntless posted 11-30-2009 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
This looks very cool. Right now I have an Icom ICM422 connected via NMEA 0183 to a Raymarine C80. Could I simply take that radio out and put this one in? Would AIS targets show up on the C80? Would the power and antenna cables be the same?
jimh posted 12-01-2009 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Almost all VHF Marine Band radios use an SO-239 connector for the antenna.

There is no standard connector for the power connector on a VHF Marine Band radio, and most do not have one. Most VHF Marine Band radios I have seen employ an attached power cable with a connector somewhere in-line in the cable. My experience with ICOM and Standard-Horizon radios is that they use different types of connectors in-line in their power cables, and those connectors are not compatible.

I would not imagine that the task of adapting to a new in-line connector in a power cable would be a consideration given much priority in the selection of a VHF Marine Band radio.

The ability of the Raymarine C80 to display information related to AIS targets is not affected by the choice of a brand of radio to send that information. AIS information is sent from a radio to a display device using NMEA data standards. If a display is capable of showing AIS targets from data it receives on its NMEA-0183 serial port, it should be able to show those targets without regard to the brand of radio which is sending the data. The best way to determine the capabilities of the C80 with regard to AIS target display is from its specifications. Check the specifications for a notation that the display accepts AIS data and will display it.

20dauntless posted 12-01-2009 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Thanks Jim. I think I'll talk to my dealer at some point and see what he has to say. The Raymarine C80 does support AIS, I think it will just be matter of configuring the serial port properly, and I have no idea what is involved in that.
Peter posted 12-02-2009 08:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I've been boating for nearly 40 years and can't think of any situation where I would need an AIS receiver. Would someone be kind enough to explain why a radio with an AIS is necessary or important to a recreational boater piloting a Whaler or similar vessel?

jimh posted 12-02-2009 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The need for an AIS receiver in a small recreational boat is about on a par with the need for a 20-channel parallel GPS receiver with precision enhancement via WAAS, a color depth sounder with digital signal processing and side scan transducer arrays, a ten-inch color multi-function display connected to a vessel data network, and a 250-watt audio reproduction system with multiple loudspeakers.
20dauntless posted 12-02-2009 10:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
I travel between Anacortes and our cabin on Decatur quite often and it's not uncommon for me to experience limited visibility, either from darkness, fog, or heavy rain. Radar with MARPA is my primary line of defense for avoiding collisions, but AIS provides a ton of additional data on large boats (like ferries, which are present on the same course as me for half the route) that can be helpful in collision avoidance.

Do I need it? No, but I suppose I don't really need a boat either...

Peter posted 12-02-2009 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I can understand the utility of AIS on a ship that may take a few miles to stop but why wouldn't RADAR provide sufficient situational awareness for a small, nimble craft to avoid collisions in low visibility situations?

It seems to me that the graphical display screen on the radio is far too small and imprecise to be useful to avoid collisions. The AIS data must be ported to a multi-function display to be useful and at the point were it is would be most useful to avoid a collision, the RADAR should be displaying that ship or boat. All you would be getting is an ID on the RADAR target and it seems to me that getting that information is irrelevant to avoiding a collision.

20dauntless posted 12-02-2009 11:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
MARPA provides some of the same information as AIS, but a big advantage of AIS is that it provides an ID of vessels around you. When calling other boats in limited visibility to ask their intentions (and for me, this is important as the ferries often change course abruptly in fairly narrow channels) it is much easier to get their intention if you have their name. Calling "vessel eastbound in Thatcher Pass" could apply to many different boats and is unlikely to elicit a useful response.
Peter posted 12-02-2009 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
OK, thanks. The biggest collision avoidance problem that I usually have is with clueless Sea Ray operators. An AIS receiver would be of absolutely no benefit in that situation.
20dauntless posted 12-02-2009 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Peter, generally I agree (not necessarily specific to Sea Ray's, however). I've heard radar described as the tool that shows the operator what is actually out there, while everything else shows what is out their in theory. Pretty accurate I think.
Peter posted 12-02-2009 05:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
20d -- I think that is right.

The problem with reliance on AIS for situational awareness is the assumption that all movable objects in the water have a transponder or that the transponder is working properly. This is clearly not the case.

At least with RADAR, almost all objects are caused to respond to the RADAR signal. While you will know their relative position, you just won't know their names. I'd rather know where they "all" are even if they are anoymous than only knowing where some are and who they are.

So the long and short of it is that I'm not all that excited by the new Standard Horizon VHF marine band radio with AIS receiver. I think for the foreseeable future I'm going to stick with my SH GX1500 Class D VHF with all the DSC bells and whistles that I've never used because none of my boating buddies can be bothered to use theirs and my Garmin 4208 connected to the 18HD radome to spot the bogies. If I had the opportunity to do electronics on my boat all over, I'd still put my money towards RADAR first before AIS.

20dauntless posted 12-02-2009 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Peter, I totally agree. I think of AIS as an addition to my radar rather than a replacement for it.
Fishmore posted 12-04-2009 12:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishmore    
I am pretty excited about this radio. I boat and fish in San Francisco Bay and we have lots of fog and lots of commercial traffic. On my larger boats I had radar but not on my Montauk. On the Montauk I usually go real slow or wait until I can see or I follow a boat with radar. I also monitor vessel traffic to hear what is going in the bay or what is going in to or out of the Golden Gate. If I hook this up to my Chart plotter at least I will know exactly where the commercial traffic is. Of course I will not see the floating logs, loose bouys and recreational traffic but at least I will have more information than I had before and that is always useful in low visibility conditions. Best thing is I get the additional info without adding more anteneas or more displays to my console. Just thought of another reason, in a tight channel like the Oakland Estuary radar has a hard time distinguishing between boats at the dock, buildings and boats in the channel due to the reflections associated with a radar signal. With the AIS feature I will be able to establish potential problems at least from the commercial vessels and that would be useful even if I had radar. I will also probably hook up the PA as the auto fog horn feature is a real nice to have and the PA is great when you want to warn off other boaters about a situation if that boater is close to you.
SJUAE posted 12-05-2009 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
I too was initially impressed with this unit although it turns out several others have been available (at similar price) for some time and now have FCC approval if that’s a requirement to you.

I think the problem is we all like having too much info especially with NMEA 2000 engine data etc.

I agree that if you can justify purchasing a new VHF the little extra for AIS RX is worthwhile fun add-on, especially if you have a chart/plotter that is capable of receiving 38400 AIS HDM sentence output.

But I think very few of us are DSC’ing a 240,000T cargo vessel to ask its intention to truly justify it and without the chart/plotter that screen is small.

I think the true intention of AIS is to be active not passive IMO, which then leads you into the realms of Class B TX/RX systems starting at around $700 with separate s/s whip aerial and independent GPS aerial.

I did a quick test and went to web sites that plot AIS data in many harbors around the world and simply the number of pleasure crafts visible is negligible, for AIS to be used for avoidance.

As Pete and D20 have already noted once at this level (Class B TX/RX) your primary avoidance navigational tool should really be radar and yet again if you have a chart/plotter that is capable of receiving 38400 AIS HDM sentence outputs it will probably take radar.

Therefore, I’d rather save the $400 and put it towards broaadband radar.

Although Navicom, Icom and Standard Horizon have shown the way how cheap AIS RX can be when bundled with a VHF unit (Garmin just being to expensive currently), it should reduce the cost of independent systems eventually.

It seems odd that most are not providing NMEA 2000 AIS and are still sticking to NMEA 0183. This seems to be for several reasons.

1)Some consider that the AIS may take up to 10% of the bandwidth on your NMEA 2000 network.

2)AIS data does not really need to be network shared.

3)Reliability of NMEA 2000 and redundancy or fault tracing/finding.

4)Some OEM’s still prefer there other networking protocols.

Most of these I don’t think apply to our small boat installations and hopefully we should see AIS eventually with NMEA 2000 on most units.

Regards
Steve

jimh posted 12-05-2009 04:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Steve--I disagree with your characterization that there are other VHF Marine Band radios that contain an integrated AIS receiver in the price range of the Standard Horizon MATRIX AIX GX2100 (which is about $400).

I recognize that Garmin has announced a similar radio, but its MSRP is about $1,000. This higher price is about two and a half times the price of the Standard Horizon.

I do not believe that ICOM has any similar radio being sold in the U.S., although I think there may be an ICOM model sold overseas that has an AIS receiver integrated with a VHF Marine Band radio; that unit is priced about $750, or nearly double the MATRIX AIS GX2100S.

SJUAE posted 12-05-2009 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Jim

I did not exclusavly search US sites but I'm sure they can be found I did find one for Canada, which is close enough :)

http://radioworld.ca/index.php?cPath=118&filter_id=55

These ICON units seem in the same price band if not cheaper and UK prices are only in the mid 300's pounds

Similary the Navicom RT-650 can be found for 250's UK pounds without remote and 320's with

I understand these units have FCC approval.

I think the Standard Horizon has the edge being newer and dual band and possible easier to find in the US.

But my comment:

quote:
Although Navicom, Icom and Standard Horizon have shown the way how cheap AIS RX can be when bundled with a VHF unit

Still stands as these units have dropped considrably in price and are not dissimilar to the Standard Horizon's

With the exception of Garmin which we both note as being currently expensive.

Regards
Steve

20dauntless posted 12-05-2009 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless    
Steve, none of the ICOM units you linked to contain AIS. They all contain some form of DSC, but no AIS. And the AIS feature is really what sets the GX2000 apart from a ton of other VHF radios with DSC that are available.
SJUAE posted 12-05-2009 11:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
20dauntless

Opps my mistake there are 2 versions of the M505 with and without AIS, you are correct, sorry late night typing and the price of this unit is higher as Jim notes

However the Navicom RT-650 is a DSC VHF radio with an integrated AIS receiver can be found as I noted.

I did not wish to distract from the Standard Horizon which looks very good or compare models. I just note they are more affordable than before, excluding Garmin.

Regards
Steve

jimh posted 12-06-2009 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Steve--Thanks for reminding me about the Navicom RT-650. When I searched for information on that radio, I found my own prior article published here on CONTINUOUSWAVE

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002229.html

earlier this year (March, 2009). However, I do not believe that the Navicom RT-650 is available for sale in North America.

SJUAE posted 12-06-2009 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Jim

I think your right I had enough problems trying to find the ICOM let alone the Navicom in the US.

Here in the UAE I'd probably only have access to the Garmin as they seem one of the few OEM's that support Arabic on their products, so are popular here, but no chance at $1000+

I think it's very good that with the Standard Horizon you can get a very comprehensive VHF and dual band AIS at that price.

The Icom MXA-5000 standalone AIS RX with built in splitter costs more.

Lets hope others follow and bring AIS enabled products prices down.

I think dual band AIS means : Ch. 87B (161.975MHz) and Ch. 88B (162.025MHz)

But I don't know if this always equates to both Class A and Class B AIS RX data. I'm not sure, but if you can get Class A does that mean you can always get Class B ?

I also have seen some reports that Comercial ships with full Class A may have the option to switch of Class B RX to avoid clutter, this would void my thoughts on being active rather than passive on a small boat.

I also spotted this for the wiring convention for the Standard Horizon:

AIS NMEA output 38.4 kbps
GPS NMEA in/out 4800 bps

Brown wire: NMEA 0183 – HS (38400 bps for AIS data) Input/Output: GX2100: Output, GX2000: Input

Blue wire: NMEA 0183 (4800 bps for GPS data) Input

Gray wire: NMEA 0183 (4800 bps for DSC data) Output

Green wire: NMEA Negative (Common GND)


Regards
Steve

jimh posted 12-06-2009 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There seems to be some confusion about AIS, and the terms "dual," "A,", and "B."

AIS transmission can occur on two frequencies (or channels) in the VHF Marine Band which have been reserved for their exclusive use. Early versions and low-cost versions of some AIS receivers were limited to listening to only one of the channels. Later versions and more costly versions of AIS receivers listen to both channels. Listening to both channels is much preferred as it insures more likely capture of data. The channels are both located in the same radio band, so it is not appropriate to use the term "dual-band" in relationship to them. AIS receivers are either "one channel" or "two channel" devices, or perhaps "one frequency" or "two-frequency" devices.


Completely separate from the channels used to transmit, and totally unrelated except by the notion of there being two, are the designators of class of AIS service. For certain vessels, mainly commercial vessels of large size, installation and use of an AIS transponder is mandatory, and the transponder must meet all of the requirements codified as CLASS A service. Vessels which are not subject to mandatory carriage of CLASS A AIS transponders may install them if they wish, but they may also install a CLASS B AIS transponder instead. The CLASS B AIS service omits some of the data sent in CLASS A service. It is anticipated that most recreational vessels will install CLASS B transponders. The cost of a CLASS B transponder has already fallen to about $700, excluding antennas and other accessories needed.

To the best of my knowledge, AIS receivers are agnostic about reception of CLASS A and CLASS B transmissions, that is, they receive both of them equally. Certain display devices employ methods of processing the data they obtain from an AIS receiver. In some of these AIS display devices, it may be possible to install a data filter system in which vessels of a certain size may be omitted from a display in order to remove visual clutter and permit the observer to more easily interpret the presentation.

If further discussion about AIS protocols, techniques, and standards is desired, I suggest that it be moved to a separate discussion. This discussion is focused on the announcement of the Standard-Horizon AIS MATRIX GX2100, and should not become an all-inclusive discussion of the Automatic Identification System. There is a great deal of information available about AIS on other websites whose sole focus is dissemination of information on AIS, and it might be better to consult those websites for better background information.

SJUAE posted 01-19-2010 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for SJUAE  Send Email to SJUAE     
Owners manual now available here:

http://www.standardhorizon.com/?cmd=showMarineManuals&DivisionID=3

Regards
Steve

jimh posted 01-20-2010 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Steve--Thanks for the link to the owner's manual. I appreciate your many excellent contributions to these discussions.

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