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Ridge Runner posted 12-19-2009 02:14 PM ET (US)
Here is a list of electronics that I’m thinking of installing on 2005 Montauk 170:
Standard Horizon GX2100 MATRIX AIS VHF
Standard Horizon CPF300i 7” WAAS GPS Chart Plotter Fish Finder Combo
DST521 600W Transom mount depth, speed temp Transducer
Aquatic AQ-IP-3B digital media center – behind the console door (I ordered the BW factory bracket)
Aquatic AQ-RF-3FB wireless remote
JL Audio MX650-CCX-WH 6.5" Marine Speakers
What do you think of the CPF300i compared to using the Raymarine A57D? I read through Jim’s A57D bench test and it would be cool to link the A57D to the E-Tec 115 H.O. via the NMEA-2000 network, but at the cost would be screen real estate. I had the Standard Horizon CP300 Chart Plotter in the past so I’m very familiar with Standard Horizon products and they have been wonderful in the customer support department. Thoughts?

SJUAE posted 12-19-2009 05:55 PM ET (US)
Ridge Runner
It seems strange considering you have an ETEC not to consider a chart plotter that does have NMEA 2000 capability be it Garmin,Lowrance or Raymarine.
Considering other advances and gadgetry that is always appering the NMEA 2000 will make updating and so in part furture proof your investment, should be worthy of consideration over just screen size per $.
VHF is current and best value around, no comment on audio systems.
Regards
Steve
jimh posted 12-19-2009 06:09 PM ET (US)
Screen space is the biggest problem when using a mult-function display. In the proposed configuration the screen will have to show:
--SONAR presentation of depth and scanning;
--vessel position on chart
--AIS data overlay on chart
--engine parameters from E-TEC (optional)
Even with a large screen--which I'd would say means a 10-inch display--it will be hard to get all of the data visible simultaneously. Perhaps the answer is to have two displays. Use on for the chart display and a second for SONAR. Then overlay the AIS on the chart and the engine data on the SONAR.
Ridge Runner posted 12-19-2009 06:28 PM ET (US)
As is most things in life there must be compromises. For me that includes budget and overall console real estate considerations (170’s console is not that large). Budget wise I am trying to stay under $2,000, so audio gear is ~$500, GX2100 ~$350, that leaves me with about ~$1,150 for a Chart Plotter and Fish Finder including a cartography card.
Ridge Runner posted 12-20-2009 10:24 AM ET (US)
Ok, so throwing my budget out the window and going up about $2,200 what would you recommend? I could go with an all in one like the Lowrance HDS-10 Insight USA Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 50/200 kHz Transducer ($2,200) or separates like the FURUNO FCV620 5.6 Inch Color FishFinder with Transom-Mount Triducer and Raymarine A70 6.4 inch GPS Chartpotter (Combined cost $1,840)?
jimh posted 12-20-2009 10:26 AM ET (US)
In the $1,150 price range you have
LOWRANCE HDS7 = $1,000
RAYMARINE A57D = $1,000
LOWRANCE HDS8 = $1,600
RAYMARINE A70D = $1,400
I am partial to these two brands because they permit the operator to make screen shot recordings of their SONAR displays and they can connect to NMEA-2000 networks (which is attractive for use with modern engines like the E-TEC that have NMEA-2000 data available).
SJUAE posted 12-20-2009 02:13 PM ET (US)
I'm with Jim on this :)
I think you can sqeeze in with 2 Lowrance HDS-5 around the 1200 mark plus chart, which would also give you redundacy factor and a multitude of further display options.
Regards
Steve
Ridge Runner posted 12-20-2009 02:33 PM ET (US)
Well I could go the Lowrance HDS-5X Fishfinder with 50/200 kHz Transducer & Lowrance HDS-5M Nautic Insight GPS Chartplotter - Coastal Data they come in at $1,099.00
SJUAE posted 12-20-2009 03:20 PM ET (US)
Ridge Runner
Wow better than my last check see Jim's other thread
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002572.html
The 50/200 is more than the 80/200 and I would get both units with sonar just in case the Mrs wants to buy you sidescan sonar later :)
There are several other reasons to consider other than redundancy (ie if one unit goes wrong) with 2 or more displays.
Firstly let me say the large displays are stunning but seem slightly over priced or better still the HDS-5/7 are better value/priced as they have the same internals.
If you were trying to maximise your large display and had many overlays on the processor etc is working very hard.
I have never found it easy to be selecting menus etc whilst underway in a small boat. Although the 6 selection buttons that can be programmed on the HDS-8/10 make this easier.
Quickly glancing at a single screen that is not spilt is easier and less distracting, than with 2 IMO.
I'll let Jim do the pixel/realestate comparisions :)
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Lowrance%20HDS5/IMAGE_023. jpg
I don't have I-command currently with my ETEC but may upgrade and I am contemplating getting another HDS-5 or 7 for AIS and broardband ETC
Note: With the Lowrance you can flash upgrade your I-command gauges.
Regards
Steve
Ridge Runner posted 12-20-2009 03:56 PM ET (US)
On the Lowrance HDS-5 Nautic Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 50/200 kHz Transducer - Best price I have is $730 less $50 rebate is $680 X 2 = $1,360
For that same amount I can go with the Lowrance HDS-7M Insight USA GPS Chartplotter and the Lowrance HDS-5X Fishfinder with 50/200 kHz Transducer. This combo get me the larger screen for the Chartplotter for adding over lay information.

SJUAE posted 12-20-2009 10:42 PM ET (US)
Agreed
2xHDS5 both with sonar but only one transducer and one with built in maps is just within budget
Or
1xHDS5 and 1xHDS7 same config as above is just a little over budget
This way you can add later for example
Sidescan sonar, Full Navionics chart, Radar etc
With the 5/7 option you get a spare SD slot for graBbing screen shots and split screen mode and overlays (AIS)on the 7 would be better.
Either way a great combo combo IMO :)
Regards
Steve
Ridge Runner posted 12-22-2009 02:06 PM ET (US)
Jim and Steve thanks for all the help.
Steve as you recommended I purchased the following:
1 - Lowrance HDS-5 Nautic Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter without Transducer - 140-31
1 - Lowrance HDS-5 Lake Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 83/200 kHz Transducer - 140-19
Final price after rebate w/ shipping: $1,285
Plus I got both costal and lakes charting!
SJUAE posted 12-22-2009 05:02 PM ET (US)
Ridge Runner
Congrats, lets see a shot of them mounted soon :)
Don't forgt to download and install the 310mb update from Lowrance and get your ETEC plugged in
Regards
Steve

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Author	Topic: Electronics for a Montauk 170
Ridge Runner	posted 12-19-2009 02:14 PM ET (US) Here is a list of electronics that I’m thinking of installing on 2005 Montauk 170: Standard Horizon GX2100 MATRIX AIS VHF Standard Horizon CPF300i 7” WAAS GPS Chart Plotter Fish Finder Combo DST521 600W Transom mount depth, speed temp Transducer Aquatic AQ-IP-3B digital media center – behind the console door (I ordered the BW factory bracket) Aquatic AQ-RF-3FB wireless remote JL Audio MX650-CCX-WH 6.5" Marine Speakers What do you think of the CPF300i compared to using the Raymarine A57D? I read through Jim’s A57D bench test and it would be cool to link the A57D to the E-Tec 115 H.O. via the NMEA-2000 network, but at the cost would be screen real estate. I had the Standard Horizon CP300 Chart Plotter in the past so I’m very familiar with Standard Horizon products and they have been wonderful in the customer support department. Thoughts?
SJUAE	posted 12-19-2009 05:55 PM ET (US) Ridge Runner It seems strange considering you have an ETEC not to consider a chart plotter that does have NMEA 2000 capability be it Garmin,Lowrance or Raymarine. Considering other advances and gadgetry that is always appering the NMEA 2000 will make updating and so in part furture proof your investment, should be worthy of consideration over just screen size per $. VHF is current and best value around, no comment on audio systems. Regards Steve
jimh	posted 12-19-2009 06:09 PM ET (US) Screen space is the biggest problem when using a mult-function display. In the proposed configuration the screen will have to show: --SONAR presentation of depth and scanning; --vessel position on chart --AIS data overlay on chart --engine parameters from E-TEC (optional) Even with a large screen--which I'd would say means a 10-inch display--it will be hard to get all of the data visible simultaneously. Perhaps the answer is to have two displays. Use on for the chart display and a second for SONAR. Then overlay the AIS on the chart and the engine data on the SONAR.
Ridge Runner	posted 12-19-2009 06:28 PM ET (US) As is most things in life there must be compromises. For me that includes budget and overall console real estate considerations (170’s console is not that large). Budget wise I am trying to stay under $2,000, so audio gear is ~$500, GX2100 ~$350, that leaves me with about ~$1,150 for a Chart Plotter and Fish Finder including a cartography card.
Ridge Runner	posted 12-20-2009 10:24 AM ET (US) Ok, so throwing my budget out the window and going up about $2,200 what would you recommend? I could go with an all in one like the Lowrance HDS-10 Insight USA Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 50/200 kHz Transducer ($2,200) or separates like the FURUNO FCV620 5.6 Inch Color FishFinder with Transom-Mount Triducer and Raymarine A70 6.4 inch GPS Chartpotter (Combined cost $1,840)?
jimh	posted 12-20-2009 10:26 AM ET (US) In the $1,150 price range you have LOWRANCE HDS7 = $1,000 RAYMARINE A57D = $1,000 LOWRANCE HDS8 = $1,600 RAYMARINE A70D = $1,400 I am partial to these two brands because they permit the operator to make screen shot recordings of their SONAR displays and they can connect to NMEA-2000 networks (which is attractive for use with modern engines like the E-TEC that have NMEA-2000 data available).
SJUAE	posted 12-20-2009 02:13 PM ET (US) I'm with Jim on this :) I think you can sqeeze in with 2 Lowrance HDS-5 around the 1200 mark plus chart, which would also give you redundacy factor and a multitude of further display options. Regards Steve
Ridge Runner	posted 12-20-2009 02:33 PM ET (US) Well I could go the Lowrance HDS-5X Fishfinder with 50/200 kHz Transducer & Lowrance HDS-5M Nautic Insight GPS Chartplotter - Coastal Data they come in at $1,099.00
SJUAE	posted 12-20-2009 03:20 PM ET (US) Ridge Runner Wow better than my last check see Jim's other thread http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002572.html The 50/200 is more than the 80/200 and I would get both units with sonar just in case the Mrs wants to buy you sidescan sonar later :) There are several other reasons to consider other than redundancy (ie if one unit goes wrong) with 2 or more displays. Firstly let me say the large displays are stunning but seem slightly over priced or better still the HDS-5/7 are better value/priced as they have the same internals. If you were trying to maximise your large display and had many overlays on the processor etc is working very hard. I have never found it easy to be selecting menus etc whilst underway in a small boat. Although the 6 selection buttons that can be programmed on the HDS-8/10 make this easier. Quickly glancing at a single screen that is not spilt is easier and less distracting, than with 2 IMO. I'll let Jim do the pixel/realestate comparisions :) http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Lowrance%20HDS5/IMAGE_023. jpg I don't have I-command currently with my ETEC but may upgrade and I am contemplating getting another HDS-5 or 7 for AIS and broardband ETC Note: With the Lowrance you can flash upgrade your I-command gauges. Regards Steve
Ridge Runner	posted 12-20-2009 03:56 PM ET (US) On the Lowrance HDS-5 Nautic Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 50/200 kHz Transducer - Best price I have is $730 less $50 rebate is $680 X 2 = $1,360 For that same amount I can go with the Lowrance HDS-7M Insight USA GPS Chartplotter and the Lowrance HDS-5X Fishfinder with 50/200 kHz Transducer. This combo get me the larger screen for the Chartplotter for adding over lay information.
SJUAE	posted 12-20-2009 10:42 PM ET (US) Agreed 2xHDS5 both with sonar but only one transducer and one with built in maps is just within budget Or 1xHDS5 and 1xHDS7 same config as above is just a little over budget This way you can add later for example Sidescan sonar, Full Navionics chart, Radar etc With the 5/7 option you get a spare SD slot for graBbing screen shots and split screen mode and overlays (AIS)on the 7 would be better. Either way a great combo combo IMO :) Regards Steve
Ridge Runner	posted 12-22-2009 02:06 PM ET (US) Jim and Steve thanks for all the help. Steve as you recommended I purchased the following: 1 - Lowrance HDS-5 Nautic Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter without Transducer - 140-31 1 - Lowrance HDS-5 Lake Insight Multifunction Fishfinder/GPS Chartplotter with 83/200 kHz Transducer - 140-19 Final price after rebate w/ shipping: $1,285 Plus I got both costal and lakes charting!
SJUAE	posted 12-22-2009 05:02 PM ET (US) Ridge Runner Congrats, lets see a shot of them mounted soon :) Don't forgt to download and install the 310mb update from Lowrance and get your ETEC plugged in Regards Steve