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Alastair posted 09-10-2010 08:35 AM ET (US)
Does a 2009 E-TEC 30-HP motor support a NMEA 2000 interface [e.g.,] to a Lowrance HDS sounder? I've asked two different dealers and one said no and the other said it should be possible. Can anyone advise if it is possible and if so where does it plug into? Which plug connection from the EMM does it plug into? Thanks anyone for help on this
Al
jimh posted 09-10-2010 09:05 AM ET (US)
Typically on an Evinrude E-TEC engine wiring harness for attachemnt to a NMEA-2000 network there will be a four-pole Amphenol SealTite connector available from the EMM with conductors of RED, BLACK, WHITE, and BLUE color coded insulation. This is usually located on a short pigtail from the EMM and covered with a protective cap. To connect to it you need an interface cable with the mating connector and a connector on the other end that is suitable for your NMEA-2000 network backbone. If you have a LOWRANCE HDS unit, the network backbone will probably be wired with DeviceNET wiring components, in which case you can use the LOWRANCE engine adaptor cable. The cable is available from LEI Extras. See
http://www.lei-extras.com/store/search.asp?SearchType=Category&Category=LowranceNET+Red
The appropriate LOWRANCE-E-TEC interface cable is:
Evinrude Engine Interface Cable - Red 120-62 Interface between an Evinrude engine and NMEA network to display engine data. Comes with a T connector. For use with red NMEA network.
Now as for the 2009 Evinrude E-TEC 30, I cannot say for certain that it has the NMEA-2000 interface provided. If you have the motor on-hand, you can check for a the NMEA-2000 interface connector at the engine management module. I do see that in the 2010 Service Manual for the 30-HP E-TEC that a "CAN bus" connector is shown in the harness, but the service manual makes no mention of NMEA-2000 interface, and the connector looks different than the usual one I described above. We need an E-TEC expert to resolve this question.
seahorse posted 09-10-2010 12:12 PM ET (US)

NMEA2000 is only on 40hp and larger now
SJUAE posted 09-10-2010 05:15 PM ET (US)
Jim
From page 40 of the ETEC 30HP Owners Manual 2010:
ENGINE MONITOR SYSTEM
(OPTIONAL)
This outboard can be equipped with an optional engine
monitoring system such as I-Command, SystemCheck, or
equivalent. Use a monitoring system to provide visual and
audible warnings
IMPORTANT: Evinrude E-TEC 25 and 30 HP outboards
require an optional module and wire harness to support ICommand and SystemCheck warning functions.
A dash-mounted gauge, a warning horn, a CANmodule
and related wiring are required.
Gauges
Gauges are available in several styles, such as a digital ICommand gauge with LCD displays or a basic System-
Check gauge.
1. Typical I-Command Digital gauge
2. Typical SystemCheck gauge
For I-Command and other gauges, refer to the gauge user’s
guide for gauge displays, operation, warnings, and
monitoring instructions.
Self-Test
During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON
position. The monitoring system self-tests by sounding a
half-second beep. SystemCheck gauges self-test by turning
the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence.
From page 45 of the ETEC 30HP Owners Manual 2011:
Evinrude outboards equipped with remote controls use the SystemCheck engine monitoring system.
Typical SystemCheck gauges
Self-Test
During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON position. The engine monitoring system self-tests the warning horn by sounding a half-second beep. The System-
Check gauge self-tests by turning the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence.
IMPORTANT: If the self-test does not happen as stated, see your Dealer.
LOW OIL Warning
The LOW OIL warning activates the warning horn for 10 seconds and the low oil gauge light for a minimum of 30 seconds.
The SystemCheck warning will reoccur at the next startup if the problem is not corrected.
If the “LOW OIL” warning light illuminates, refill the oil tank immediately. You have a limited amount of normal operation before running out of oil. Fill the oil tank with recommend oil as soon as possible
regards
Steve
SJUAE posted 09-10-2010 05:29 PM ET (US)
From page 44 of the ETEC 40hp 2011 owners manual:
IMPORTANT: Your outboard may be equipped with an optional engine monitoring system such as I-Command, SystemCheck,or equivalent.
The engine monitoring system warns you of conditions that could damage your outboard.
The monitoring system consists of a dashmounted gauge, a warning horn, sensors on the engine and oil tank, and related wiring.
The system is compatible with the Evinrude Modular Wiring System (MWS) or can be connected to an I-Command system, or other NMEA 2000 compliant CANbus instruments.
GAUGES
Gauges are available in several styles, such as a digital I-Command gauge with LCD displays or a basic SystemCheck gauge.
1. Typical I-Command Digital gauge
2. Typical SystemCheck gauge
Function
The EMM activates the warning horn and the gauge displays as follows:
• LOW OIL means that oil in the tank is at reserve level (about 1/4 full).
• NO OIL indicates an oil delivery problem such as an empty oil tank or damaged oil system.
• WATER TEMP or HOT indicates an engine or EMM overheat condition.
• CHECK ENGINE or FAULT is used to indicate other fault conditions identified by the
EMM.
For I-Command and other gauges, refer to the gauge user’s guide for gauge displays, operation, warnings, and monitoring instructions.
SYSTEM SELF-TEST
During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON position. The monitoring system self-tests by sounding a half-second
beep. SystemCheck gauges self-test by turning the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence.
IMPORTANT: If the self-test does not happen as stated, see your Dealer.
ENGINE MONITOR WARNINGS
Engine monitor system warnings activate the horn for 10 seconds and the appropriate gauge light for a minimum of 30 seconds, or until alarm is acknowledged. If the failure is momentary (for example, oil moving in the tank), the engine monitor gauge light or display may remain ON for a full 30 seconds before going out. If the unsafe operating condition continues, a light or display remains ON until the key is turned OFF or the failure is
corrected.
The warning will reoccur at the next startup if the problem is not corrected.
If the EMM senses a problem could cause permanent engine damage, it will also limit engine speed to 1200 RPM. This additional protection feature is referred to as S.A.F.E.
(Speed Adjusting Failsafe Electronics). If the engine was running faster than 1200 RPM when the S.A.F.E. mode activated, it will shake noticeably. Under certain operating conditions the EMM will shut OFF the engine.
Regards
Steve
seahorse posted 09-10-2010 06:25 PM ET (US)
There is discussion whether to offer NMEA2000 compatability to the 15, 25 and 30 E-TECs and it would have to be a add-on module as there is no room in the small EMM. As of now there is nothing available and it is still to be determined if customer would want to spend the cost of gauges, adapter module, etc on a smaller engine.
Now that the 15HO is selling well, that may push the development of the module as many of the fisherman want to integrate the trolling motor into the boat's network.
SJUAE posted 09-11-2010 01:44 AM ET (US)
Seahorse
So the gauge options noted in the 30hp owners manual never existed ?
Is that not a rather large error covered by subject to change clause, I guess
Is system check also not available ?
Regards
Steve
seahorse posted 09-11-2010 08:48 AM ET (US)
System Check is standard on those motors.
Your owners manual was probably written before the final specs were in production and that's why the reference to I-Command. There is no mention of it in the 2011 manual.
Alastair posted 09-16-2010 08:21 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
seahorse posted 09-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US)

quote:

Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor

You can buy the diagnostic software CD and the interface cable (or make one) and see all of your motor's history and operating parameters using a laptop.
Alastair posted 09-16-2010 03:48 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
SJUAE posted 09-16-2010 04:42 PM ET (US)

quote:
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Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
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You can buy the diagnostic software CD and the interface cable (or make one) and see all of your motor's history and operating parameters using a laptop.

jimh posted 09-16-2010 05:55 PM ET (US)
As far as I know, all E-TEC motors have an electronic interface for connecting to the Evinrude Diagnostic Software. It is more or less mandatory, as without the Diagnostic Software the engine could not be set up or adjusted by the dealer, the dealer could not perform diagnostic procedures, and the replacement of certain components like fuel-injectors could not be performed (because the EMM must be fully informed about the precise individual characteristics of each fuel injector, a set of parameters known as fuel injector coefficients that total 33-values for each fuel injector). Based on this I have a very strong belief your E-TEC will have a connector for attaching the interface to the Evinrude Diagnostic Sofware.
To make a cable, I have given complete details in a prior discussion. I recommend you carefully read this article to learn precisely how to make the cable:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002257.html
As for the diagnostic software itself, it is generally only available via your local dealer. Check with your local dealer regarding how to obtain the software. The software can be used in two modes: limited mode and dealer mode. In limited mode you will be able to get information from the engine, but you will not be able to make adjustments to the engine. The limited mode is probably preferred as it prevents you from doing anything that might cause a problem in the engine.
For an example of what sort of information can be extracted from the EMM of an E-TEC engine, see an article I wrote previously at
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ETEC_EngineHistoryReport.html
Alastair posted 09-17-2010 04:58 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
Alastair posted 09-17-2010 05:10 AM ET (US)
Thanks for all your advise on all of the above, I spoke to my dealer here in oz and they advised me that the software is only good for two months and then new software and passwords are required, also I can't seem to locate that trianglar 3 pin plug on my motor would a 2009 30hp which are assembled in China have a different type of connector? I do see a diagnostic connector listed on a wiring diagram with wires 4,5,20. If the software is only good for two months is any aftermarket software available, many thanks
seahorse posted 09-17-2010 08:38 AM ET (US)
Did the "dealer" look you right in the eye as he lied to you about the 2 month software activation?
jimh posted 09-17-2010 08:56 AM ET (US)
Alastair asks:
"Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor...."
and then repeats the exact question three times in three separate postings.
I am sensing a communication problem here, as this question has already been answered several times. The replies given were quite good answers and if carefully read contain the information sought. If you are going to ask questions I have to mention that there is an expectation you will read the answers.
jimh posted 09-17-2010 08:57 AM ET (US)
Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly.
jimh posted 09-17-2010 09:47 AM ET (US)
In the service manual for the 25 and 30-HP E-TEC outboard motors there are numerous references to using the Evinrude Diagnostic Software, and from those I have to conclude that my postulate that a connector exists on the engine which enables the diagnostic software to be linked to the EMM was correct.
I do not have first-hand knowledge of the shape or form of this connector on a particular E-TEC 30-HP engine, but it would not make any sense to my way of thinking for Evinrude to use a connector on this particular engine which was different than the connector Evinrude uses on all their other engines. The size and shape of the connector used on all the other engines is not particularly large or inappropriate for use on a 30-HP engine, so, again, I will postulate that the connector used on the 30-HP is the same as all the other engines. However, I may be wrong.
My self-doubt is lessened, however, by my experience with reading numerous postings from owners of E-TEC motors who seek advice on locating the diagnostic connector on their engines. From my point of view, the diagnostic connector is rather easy to locate, as its shape is well known, and it is directly connected to the EMM and thus tends to be close to the EMM. However, apparently discovery of this connector has been problematic for other owners. It may very well be that the connector is just not being seen very well by some owners who want to connect to it.
hauptjm posted 09-17-2010 10:11 AM ET (US)
"Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly."
Looks like a communication problem between Austrailia and The States.
SJUAE posted 09-17-2010 11:16 AM ET (US)

quote:
Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly.
Now you know why I just re-quoted seahorse reply
Maybe if we invert the text he can read it :)
Regards
Steve
SJUAE posted 09-18-2010 06:11 AM ET (US)
Jim
Some pictures I took todayof 09/2009 ETEC 25hp showing EMM and cables
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0007.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0008.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0010.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0012.jpg
Regards
Steve

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Author	Topic: NMEA 2000 Interface for 30hp ETEC
Alastair	posted 09-10-2010 08:35 AM ET (US) Does a 2009 E-TEC 30-HP motor support a NMEA 2000 interface [e.g.,] to a Lowrance HDS sounder? I've asked two different dealers and one said no and the other said it should be possible. Can anyone advise if it is possible and if so where does it plug into? Which plug connection from the EMM does it plug into? Thanks anyone for help on this Al
jimh	posted 09-10-2010 09:05 AM ET (US) Typically on an Evinrude E-TEC engine wiring harness for attachemnt to a NMEA-2000 network there will be a four-pole Amphenol SealTite connector available from the EMM with conductors of RED, BLACK, WHITE, and BLUE color coded insulation. This is usually located on a short pigtail from the EMM and covered with a protective cap. To connect to it you need an interface cable with the mating connector and a connector on the other end that is suitable for your NMEA-2000 network backbone. If you have a LOWRANCE HDS unit, the network backbone will probably be wired with DeviceNET wiring components, in which case you can use the LOWRANCE engine adaptor cable. The cable is available from LEI Extras. See http://www.lei-extras.com/store/search.asp?SearchType=Category&Category=LowranceNET+Red The appropriate LOWRANCE-E-TEC interface cable is: Evinrude Engine Interface Cable - Red 120-62 Interface between an Evinrude engine and NMEA network to display engine data. Comes with a T connector. For use with red NMEA network. Now as for the 2009 Evinrude E-TEC 30, I cannot say for certain that it has the NMEA-2000 interface provided. If you have the motor on-hand, you can check for a the NMEA-2000 interface connector at the engine management module. I do see that in the 2010 Service Manual for the 30-HP E-TEC that a "CAN bus" connector is shown in the harness, but the service manual makes no mention of NMEA-2000 interface, and the connector looks different than the usual one I described above. We need an E-TEC expert to resolve this question.
seahorse	posted 09-10-2010 12:12 PM ET (US) NMEA2000 is only on 40hp and larger now
SJUAE	posted 09-10-2010 05:15 PM ET (US) Jim From page 40 of the ETEC 30HP Owners Manual 2010: ENGINE MONITOR SYSTEM (OPTIONAL) This outboard can be equipped with an optional engine monitoring system such as I-Command, SystemCheck, or equivalent. Use a monitoring system to provide visual and audible warnings IMPORTANT: Evinrude E-TEC 25 and 30 HP outboards require an optional module and wire harness to support ICommand and SystemCheck warning functions. A dash-mounted gauge, a warning horn, a CANmodule and related wiring are required. Gauges Gauges are available in several styles, such as a digital ICommand gauge with LCD displays or a basic System- Check gauge. 1. Typical I-Command Digital gauge 2. Typical SystemCheck gauge For I-Command and other gauges, refer to the gauge user’s guide for gauge displays, operation, warnings, and monitoring instructions. Self-Test During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON position. The monitoring system self-tests by sounding a half-second beep. SystemCheck gauges self-test by turning the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence. From page 45 of the ETEC 30HP Owners Manual 2011: Evinrude outboards equipped with remote controls use the SystemCheck engine monitoring system. Typical SystemCheck gauges Self-Test During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON position. The engine monitoring system self-tests the warning horn by sounding a half-second beep. The System- Check gauge self-tests by turning the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence. IMPORTANT: If the self-test does not happen as stated, see your Dealer. LOW OIL Warning The LOW OIL warning activates the warning horn for 10 seconds and the low oil gauge light for a minimum of 30 seconds. The SystemCheck warning will reoccur at the next startup if the problem is not corrected. If the “LOW OIL” warning light illuminates, refill the oil tank immediately. You have a limited amount of normal operation before running out of oil. Fill the oil tank with recommend oil as soon as possible regards Steve
SJUAE	posted 09-10-2010 05:29 PM ET (US) From page 44 of the ETEC 40hp 2011 owners manual: IMPORTANT: Your outboard may be equipped with an optional engine monitoring system such as I-Command, SystemCheck,or equivalent. The engine monitoring system warns you of conditions that could damage your outboard. The monitoring system consists of a dashmounted gauge, a warning horn, sensors on the engine and oil tank, and related wiring. The system is compatible with the Evinrude Modular Wiring System (MWS) or can be connected to an I-Command system, or other NMEA 2000 compliant CANbus instruments. GAUGES Gauges are available in several styles, such as a digital I-Command gauge with LCD displays or a basic SystemCheck gauge. 1. Typical I-Command Digital gauge 2. Typical SystemCheck gauge Function The EMM activates the warning horn and the gauge displays as follows: • LOW OIL means that oil in the tank is at reserve level (about 1/4 full). • NO OIL indicates an oil delivery problem such as an empty oil tank or damaged oil system. • WATER TEMP or HOT indicates an engine or EMM overheat condition. • CHECK ENGINE or FAULT is used to indicate other fault conditions identified by the EMM. For I-Command and other gauges, refer to the gauge user’s guide for gauge displays, operation, warnings, and monitoring instructions. SYSTEM SELF-TEST During engine start-up, pause with the key switch in the ON position. The monitoring system self-tests by sounding a half-second beep. SystemCheck gauges self-test by turning the indicator lights on simultaneously, then off in sequence. IMPORTANT: If the self-test does not happen as stated, see your Dealer. ENGINE MONITOR WARNINGS Engine monitor system warnings activate the horn for 10 seconds and the appropriate gauge light for a minimum of 30 seconds, or until alarm is acknowledged. If the failure is momentary (for example, oil moving in the tank), the engine monitor gauge light or display may remain ON for a full 30 seconds before going out. If the unsafe operating condition continues, a light or display remains ON until the key is turned OFF or the failure is corrected. The warning will reoccur at the next startup if the problem is not corrected. If the EMM senses a problem could cause permanent engine damage, it will also limit engine speed to 1200 RPM. This additional protection feature is referred to as S.A.F.E. (Speed Adjusting Failsafe Electronics). If the engine was running faster than 1200 RPM when the S.A.F.E. mode activated, it will shake noticeably. Under certain operating conditions the EMM will shut OFF the engine. Regards Steve
seahorse	posted 09-10-2010 06:25 PM ET (US) There is discussion whether to offer NMEA2000 compatability to the 15, 25 and 30 E-TECs and it would have to be a add-on module as there is no room in the small EMM. As of now there is nothing available and it is still to be determined if customer would want to spend the cost of gauges, adapter module, etc on a smaller engine. Now that the 15HO is selling well, that may push the development of the module as many of the fisherman want to integrate the trolling motor into the boat's network.
SJUAE	posted 09-11-2010 01:44 AM ET (US) Seahorse So the gauge options noted in the 30hp owners manual never existed ? Is that not a rather large error covered by subject to change clause, I guess Is system check also not available ? Regards Steve
seahorse	posted 09-11-2010 08:48 AM ET (US) System Check is standard on those motors. Your owners manual was probably written before the final specs were in production and that's why the reference to I-Command. There is no mention of it in the 2011 manual.
Alastair	posted 09-16-2010 08:21 AM ET (US) Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
seahorse	posted 09-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US) quote: Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor You can buy the diagnostic software CD and the interface cable (or make one) and see all of your motor's history and operating parameters using a laptop.
Alastair	posted 09-16-2010 03:48 PM ET (US) Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
SJUAE	posted 09-16-2010 04:42 PM ET (US) quote: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You can buy the diagnostic software CD and the interface cable (or make one) and see all of your motor's history and operating parameters using a laptop.
jimh	posted 09-16-2010 05:55 PM ET (US) As far as I know, all E-TEC motors have an electronic interface for connecting to the Evinrude Diagnostic Software. It is more or less mandatory, as without the Diagnostic Software the engine could not be set up or adjusted by the dealer, the dealer could not perform diagnostic procedures, and the replacement of certain components like fuel-injectors could not be performed (because the EMM must be fully informed about the precise individual characteristics of each fuel injector, a set of parameters known as fuel injector coefficients that total 33-values for each fuel injector). Based on this I have a very strong belief your E-TEC will have a connector for attaching the interface to the Evinrude Diagnostic Sofware. To make a cable, I have given complete details in a prior discussion. I recommend you carefully read this article to learn precisely how to make the cable: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002257.html As for the diagnostic software itself, it is generally only available via your local dealer. Check with your local dealer regarding how to obtain the software. The software can be used in two modes: limited mode and dealer mode. In limited mode you will be able to get information from the engine, but you will not be able to make adjustments to the engine. The limited mode is probably preferred as it prevents you from doing anything that might cause a problem in the engine. For an example of what sort of information can be extracted from the EMM of an E-TEC engine, see an article I wrote previously at http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ETEC_EngineHistoryReport.html
Alastair	posted 09-17-2010 04:58 AM ET (US) Thanks for all your advise on the interface NMEA 2000 for my 2009 30hp ETEC, I was wondering if there is any other way of collecting data from the motor like through a laptop as I would like to see hours run and how high the RPM's are at WOT and general information from time to time. Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor as it sounds like the NMEA 2000 is a non goer for my motor
Alastair	posted 09-17-2010 05:10 AM ET (US) Thanks for all your advise on all of the above, I spoke to my dealer here in oz and they advised me that the software is only good for two months and then new software and passwords are required, also I can't seem to locate that trianglar 3 pin plug on my motor would a 2009 30hp which are assembled in China have a different type of connector? I do see a diagnostic connector listed on a wiring diagram with wires 4,5,20. If the software is only good for two months is any aftermarket software available, many thanks
seahorse	posted 09-17-2010 08:38 AM ET (US) Did the "dealer" look you right in the eye as he lied to you about the 2 month software activation?
jimh	posted 09-17-2010 08:56 AM ET (US) Alastair asks: "Does anyone know if a data cable of some kind and software to read the data exists for this motor...." and then repeats the exact question three times in three separate postings. I am sensing a communication problem here, as this question has already been answered several times. The replies given were quite good answers and if carefully read contain the information sought. If you are going to ask questions I have to mention that there is an expectation you will read the answers.
jimh	posted 09-17-2010 08:57 AM ET (US) Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly.
jimh	posted 09-17-2010 09:47 AM ET (US) In the service manual for the 25 and 30-HP E-TEC outboard motors there are numerous references to using the Evinrude Diagnostic Software, and from those I have to conclude that my postulate that a connector exists on the engine which enables the diagnostic software to be linked to the EMM was correct. I do not have first-hand knowledge of the shape or form of this connector on a particular E-TEC 30-HP engine, but it would not make any sense to my way of thinking for Evinrude to use a connector on this particular engine which was different than the connector Evinrude uses on all their other engines. The size and shape of the connector used on all the other engines is not particularly large or inappropriate for use on a 30-HP engine, so, again, I will postulate that the connector used on the 30-HP is the same as all the other engines. However, I may be wrong. My self-doubt is lessened, however, by my experience with reading numerous postings from owners of E-TEC motors who seek advice on locating the diagnostic connector on their engines. From my point of view, the diagnostic connector is rather easy to locate, as its shape is well known, and it is directly connected to the EMM and thus tends to be close to the EMM. However, apparently discovery of this connector has been problematic for other owners. It may very well be that the connector is just not being seen very well by some owners who want to connect to it.
hauptjm	posted 09-17-2010 10:11 AM ET (US) "Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly." Looks like a communication problem between Austrailia and The States.
SJUAE	posted 09-17-2010 11:16 AM ET (US) quote: Sorry--I see the same question posted four time. This is getting silly. Now you know why I just re-quoted seahorse reply Maybe if we invert the text he can read it :) Regards Steve
SJUAE	posted 09-18-2010 06:11 AM ET (US) Jim Some pictures I took todayof 09/2009 ETEC 25hp showing EMM and cables http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0007.jpg http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0008.jpg http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0010.jpg http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Stern%20and%20misc/ IMG_0012.jpg Regards Steve