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MDCrabs posted 05-27-2009 09:32 AM ET (US)
I will be in NYC for the flotilla but not the New Rochelle trip. I am going to break away and continue south on the East River and was wondering who else out there was going to forego the New Rochelle leg and join me and my crew for the full trip around NYC.

Dave Sutton posted 05-27-2009 11:06 AM ET (US)
I am going to be starting at Liberty State Park, and will also be continuing south on the East River, past the Battery, and back to Liberty. The run to the gathering seems a long way off, and I do not want to need to run Hell Gate and thru the East River after dark, which is what I fear might happen if I go north.

Segue: To really enjoy the harbor, you need to do some research as to what you are seeing. For example, North Brother Island is where the General Slocum disaster took place. Google it and read about it. You will be going 100 feet from a site where hundreds of bodies were stacked on the beach. Read about the Hussar... her cargo of bullion and coin is something that you'll likely be within 100 yards from. Read about the salvage of the submarine S-51 by Edward Ellsberg, and how after two years of effort to raise her, she went aground under her lifting pontoons and was stranded at Hells Gate on rocks (now blasted clear) and in danger of being lost again as men ducked their heads under the water to hammer wooden plugs into the lifting pontoons (she was being towed to the Brooklyn Navy Yard). Read about Hoffman and Swineburn Islands (and know that you CAN go aground in the harbor in 8 inches of water, 300 yards from shore, if you are not careful: Look at the chart southeast of the islands)). In Staten Island we have Witte's Marine Scrapyard, where dozens of ships ranging back 100 years are stacked like cordwood 100 yards from shore. Read about Bushnell's Turtle, the tiny submarine that was used in the Revolutionary War to try to sink British Ships at Governers Island. The read about the British prison ships that were anchored off of Brooklyn: Bones from dead prisoners that were cast overboard every morning are still found sometimes. Read about the Morris Canal and it's terminus in Jersey City: That turning basin is now Liberty Landing Marina, where I lived over the winter on my trawler.
The harbor is a WONDERFUL place... there is history everywhere if you can see it with the eyes of someone who knows that it's there to see.
Dave
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Rich S posted 05-27-2009 12:30 PM ET (US)
I will be doing the same.... Turning right to travel down the East River and back to Liberty Island.
Hope we can get the T-Shirts...I'd love to have one.
Bella con23 posted 05-27-2009 01:23 PM ET (US)
Dave - thanks for the wealth of information. This is my second trip around Manhattan and I'll admit I had no idea of what I was looking at - outside of buildings and boat traffic.
I will do some research ahead of time and be the boats tour guide.
As far as the trip to New Rochelle, I think I'm going to have to cut that leg out out of the trip. I will have the family of five onboard and don't quite know how they will handle the bouncing around for that length of time.
Joe
jamesmylesmcp posted 05-27-2009 09:07 PM ET (US)
MDcrabs,I respect your decision but only wish you would have posted in this in the official thread. Somehow I feel your post derails our plans !
I checked your profile, Mr. Mom, me too ! Coming from Maryland I cannot contest your decision as I too would consider the same with 2 small children as my crew.
Capt. Robert and I started back in Sept. '08 planning this event after feedback from our 1st efforts(largest ever) asked for an after gathering. Countless hours were spent trying to accomodate the majority of owners the N.Y.Boat Show,flights to Fla.meetings with the Hudson River Authority,U.S.C.G., New York Marine Patrol,The U.S.S Intrepid,on and on, trust me we have met THE PEOPLE and have the contacts to do this again on a larger scale in New York Harbor as a non-profit organization.
Now we only ask for support of our efforts to insure the future of this event.
I do respect the fact the East River can be challenging.......but........your in a Whaler !
MDCrabs posted 05-28-2009 08:36 AM ET (US)
With all due respect.....
Not running to New Rochelle will not diminish any of your hard work and planning.
I'm very excited to see all of these wHALERS IN ONE PLACE. At the base of Lady Liberty...
Ritzyrags posted 05-28-2009 11:27 PM ET (US)
Well;
It goes on to say that sometimes;
Some of us will not take full advantage of a Premier Event like this one;
And this;
For valid and personal reasons..
It will be good to see that an elaborate Event like this "New York Run";
Gets off to a great first year launch..
If I have understood you right, MD;
You will be launching from a different point?
I hope that you will forgive Jim's worded frustration in hearing of some of "your" plans in diverting paths..
The truth to be known;
He wakes up at night and jot down of some freshly thought details that;
In his state of rest;
He did came up with as a solution.
He is very enthused about this Run that will involve several "Big Names"
He is extremely anxious to have a Fun and Memorable Event involving every Whaler sailors of the Coast..
Well;
Perhaps not all of them;
But most of them anyway..
What is there not to like?
The real point of staging an Event like the one;
Seeing Jim and a multitude of Whaler Friend's works;
And this having worked so hard in careful planning is;
"A First" on the Eastern Coast.
The idea is really about "Doing It Together"
For the sake of our Whaler related bond (If it means anything)
And of course to renew and experience some genuine Friendships.
A fact and luxury that is getting to be a very rare happening in these days and ages, I must say.
I do know that if I could free myself and manage to fly the 3000 miles plus to be there;
And this;
Preferably on my private cargo plane;
To house my Tahoe/Outrage 19 and trailer;
I would absolutely love to take advantage of every minutes involving all stages of this Banner Whaler Event..
Again MD;
I hope that you will chalk Jim's derailing term as an expression of hopeful reconciliation in hoping that we will ALL be there to be counted on for the participation of full event.
Hopeful Anticipation is really a driving force..
Dave;
That was a neat slice of history that you served us there.
I am a student of many subjects and History.
Your telling was appreciated.
Wishing You Well.
smalltauk posted 06-04-2009 08:14 AM ET (US)
Hey folks... I too would like to break away and head south on the East River to get me back to Liberty Landing. I think it will be too much for my guests to go up to New Rochelle in a 150 Montauk. Does anyone have a route that I could plug into my Garmin so I can understand where we turn off the Hudson? I'm not familiar with the area and want to gain some confidence as to where I'm supposed to be going.
Thanks in advance!
Smalltauk
Hoosier posted 06-04-2009 09:00 AM ET (US)
Go to Google Earth and trace the route there. You can pick Lat/Long for way points off the cursor location on the bottom of the screen. The imagery will also give you a preview of the route. For you it'll basically be north up the Hudson to the west entrance of the Harlem River, then east to the East River, then south to the Battery, then west across the Upper Bay to Liberty Park. Also watch the main thread about this event, there is info there.
Liteamorn posted 06-04-2009 01:18 PM ET (US)
I too will probably cut the New Rochelle portion of the trip out, unfortunatly

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Author	Topic: New York City Circumnavigation Instead of New Rochelle
MDCrabs	posted 05-27-2009 09:32 AM ET (US) I will be in NYC for the flotilla but not the New Rochelle trip. I am going to break away and continue south on the East River and was wondering who else out there was going to forego the New Rochelle leg and join me and my crew for the full trip around NYC.
Dave Sutton	posted 05-27-2009 11:06 AM ET (US) I am going to be starting at Liberty State Park, and will also be continuing south on the East River, past the Battery, and back to Liberty. The run to the gathering seems a long way off, and I do not want to need to run Hell Gate and thru the East River after dark, which is what I fear might happen if I go north. Segue: To really enjoy the harbor, you need to do some research as to what you are seeing. For example, North Brother Island is where the General Slocum disaster took place. Google it and read about it. You will be going 100 feet from a site where hundreds of bodies were stacked on the beach. Read about the Hussar... her cargo of bullion and coin is something that you'll likely be within 100 yards from. Read about the salvage of the submarine S-51 by Edward Ellsberg, and how after two years of effort to raise her, she went aground under her lifting pontoons and was stranded at Hells Gate on rocks (now blasted clear) and in danger of being lost again as men ducked their heads under the water to hammer wooden plugs into the lifting pontoons (she was being towed to the Brooklyn Navy Yard). Read about Hoffman and Swineburn Islands (and know that you CAN go aground in the harbor in 8 inches of water, 300 yards from shore, if you are not careful: Look at the chart southeast of the islands)). In Staten Island we have Witte's Marine Scrapyard, where dozens of ships ranging back 100 years are stacked like cordwood 100 yards from shore. Read about Bushnell's Turtle, the tiny submarine that was used in the Revolutionary War to try to sink British Ships at Governers Island. The read about the British prison ships that were anchored off of Brooklyn: Bones from dead prisoners that were cast overboard every morning are still found sometimes. Read about the Morris Canal and it's terminus in Jersey City: That turning basin is now Liberty Landing Marina, where I lived over the winter on my trawler. The harbor is a WONDERFUL place... there is history everywhere if you can see it with the eyes of someone who knows that it's there to see. Dave .
Rich S	posted 05-27-2009 12:30 PM ET (US) I will be doing the same.... Turning right to travel down the East River and back to Liberty Island. Hope we can get the T-Shirts...I'd love to have one.
Bella con23	posted 05-27-2009 01:23 PM ET (US) Dave - thanks for the wealth of information. This is my second trip around Manhattan and I'll admit I had no idea of what I was looking at - outside of buildings and boat traffic. I will do some research ahead of time and be the boats tour guide. As far as the trip to New Rochelle, I think I'm going to have to cut that leg out out of the trip. I will have the family of five onboard and don't quite know how they will handle the bouncing around for that length of time. Joe
jamesmylesmcp	posted 05-27-2009 09:07 PM ET (US) MDcrabs,I respect your decision but only wish you would have posted in this in the official thread. Somehow I feel your post derails our plans ! I checked your profile, Mr. Mom, me too ! Coming from Maryland I cannot contest your decision as I too would consider the same with 2 small children as my crew. Capt. Robert and I started back in Sept. '08 planning this event after feedback from our 1st efforts(largest ever) asked for an after gathering. Countless hours were spent trying to accomodate the majority of owners the N.Y.Boat Show,flights to Fla.meetings with the Hudson River Authority,U.S.C.G., New York Marine Patrol,The U.S.S Intrepid,on and on, trust me we have met THE PEOPLE and have the contacts to do this again on a larger scale in New York Harbor as a non-profit organization. Now we only ask for support of our efforts to insure the future of this event. I do respect the fact the East River can be challenging.......but........your in a Whaler !
MDCrabs	posted 05-28-2009 08:36 AM ET (US) With all due respect..... Not running to New Rochelle will not diminish any of your hard work and planning. I'm very excited to see all of these wHALERS IN ONE PLACE. At the base of Lady Liberty...
Ritzyrags	posted 05-28-2009 11:27 PM ET (US) Well; It goes on to say that sometimes; Some of us will not take full advantage of a Premier Event like this one; And this; For valid and personal reasons.. It will be good to see that an elaborate Event like this "New York Run"; Gets off to a great first year launch.. If I have understood you right, MD; You will be launching from a different point? I hope that you will forgive Jim's worded frustration in hearing of some of "your" plans in diverting paths.. The truth to be known; He wakes up at night and jot down of some freshly thought details that; In his state of rest; He did came up with as a solution. He is very enthused about this Run that will involve several "Big Names" He is extremely anxious to have a Fun and Memorable Event involving every Whaler sailors of the Coast.. Well; Perhaps not all of them; But most of them anyway.. What is there not to like? The real point of staging an Event like the one; Seeing Jim and a multitude of Whaler Friend's works; And this having worked so hard in careful planning is; "A First" on the Eastern Coast. The idea is really about "Doing It Together" For the sake of our Whaler related bond (If it means anything) And of course to renew and experience some genuine Friendships. A fact and luxury that is getting to be a very rare happening in these days and ages, I must say. I do know that if I could free myself and manage to fly the 3000 miles plus to be there; And this; Preferably on my private cargo plane; To house my Tahoe/Outrage 19 and trailer; I would absolutely love to take advantage of every minutes involving all stages of this Banner Whaler Event.. Again MD; I hope that you will chalk Jim's derailing term as an expression of hopeful reconciliation in hoping that we will ALL be there to be counted on for the participation of full event. Hopeful Anticipation is really a driving force.. Dave; That was a neat slice of history that you served us there. I am a student of many subjects and History. Your telling was appreciated. Wishing You Well.
smalltauk	posted 06-04-2009 08:14 AM ET (US) Hey folks... I too would like to break away and head south on the East River to get me back to Liberty Landing. I think it will be too much for my guests to go up to New Rochelle in a 150 Montauk. Does anyone have a route that I could plug into my Garmin so I can understand where we turn off the Hudson? I'm not familiar with the area and want to gain some confidence as to where I'm supposed to be going. Thanks in advance! Smalltauk
Hoosier	posted 06-04-2009 09:00 AM ET (US) Go to Google Earth and trace the route there. You can pick Lat/Long for way points off the cursor location on the bottom of the screen. The imagery will also give you a preview of the route. For you it'll basically be north up the Hudson to the west entrance of the Harlem River, then east to the East River, then south to the Battery, then west across the Upper Bay to Liberty Park. Also watch the main thread about this event, there is info there.
Liteamorn	posted 06-04-2009 01:18 PM ET (US) I too will probably cut the New Rochelle portion of the trip out, unfortunatly