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K Albus posted 04-13-2013 04:58 PM ET (US)   Profile for K Albus   Send Email to K Albus  
I thought I would start a new thread for this trip now that a date and an itinerary have been selected. To recap:

1. Leaving Grand Haven on Saturday, June 22, 2013, at 9:00 a.m. Currently planning to launch at Barrett Boat Works at approximately 8:00 a.m. http://www.barrettboatworks.com/index.shtml

2. Transit Lake Michigan to Milwaukee, arriving at approximately noon local time. We'll have lunch somewhere on the Milwaukee River, and take a tour of the area rivers.

3. Move the boats to McKinley Marina for Saturday night. http://county.milwaukee.gov/BoatingampMcKinleyMa9139.htm

4. Dinner can be at one of the many restaurants within walking distance of the marina, or we can have a cook-out at the marina.

5. Depart from Milwaukee at approximately 9:00 a.m. on Sunday morning. Arrive back at Grand Haven at approximately 1:00 or 1:30 local time.

Let me know if you're in.

K Albus posted 04-13-2013 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I tried contacting Barrett Boat Works this weekend about overnight trailer storage, but I was not able to reach anybody. I will call again on Monday and post my findings.
Hoosier posted 04-14-2013 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
We can't make it, we have a major event here that we cannot skip.
prj posted 04-14-2013 11:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
As the Milwaukee side representative, I'm all in and looking forward to receiving Kevin on the West Coast of Lake Michigan.

In the near future, I'll pull together a quick map of the Milwaukee river system for consideration. Perhaps I can tag a few restaurants and other points of interest for cruise planning.

Sorry that we'll miss you and your new rig (two generations past since 2010) David. That additional size could tame the conditions you met crossing last time.

http://s512.photobucket.com/user/kalbus/media/Milwaukee%20Trip/ CalmConditionsMid-Lake.jpg.html

Here's hoping for our typical Lake Michigan seas in June:

http://s512.photobucket.com/user/kalbus/media/Milwaukee%20Trip/ surfacetemps.png.html

prj posted 04-14-2013 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Let me try that second link again:

http://s512.photobucket.com/user/kalbus/media/Milwaukee%20Trip/MVI_1252. mp4.html

PeteB88 posted 04-15-2013 01:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Hey Kevin - I live over here and can do any scouting you want. Just let me know. Back up plan could be where I keep my boat in the winter. Plenty of room, cool guys, obscure/safe but on Muskegon Lake. Barretts would be great though. We're gonna try to make it - Trying to talk Dale w/ Outrage 21 ribside and brand new ETEC to go.

Who else?? I think Tom H will go w/ his 220 Outrage. Keep this going.

K Albus posted 04-16-2013 12:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
A new wrinkle has arisen. I contacted Barrett Boat Works and they confirmed that overnight parking and use of their ramp would be available, but the charge would be $50. I seem to recall that the last time we did this, the charge was only approximately $20. I'm going to look into other arrangements, but I won't let an extra $30 charge result in cancellation of the trip.

Pete B - What's the name and exact location of the place you mentioned, and what would they charge us for overnight truck and trailer parking?

K Albus posted 04-16-2013 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The plan may be changing. Torresen Marine, in the southwest corner of Muskegon Lake, offers launch ramp use and overnight trailer parking for a total of $18. I've never been to Muskegon Lake, so if anybody has any local knowledge to offer, please share it.

The entrance from Muskegon Lake to Lake Michigan is about 12.5 miles north of the entrance from Grand Haven to Lake Michigan. If some choose to depart from Muskegon and others from Grand Haven, we'll have to arrange for a rendezvous point somewhere offshore. Shouldn't be too complicated.

Does anybody know if overnight parking is allowed at the Grand Haven municipal boat launch? Their office is apparently not open for the season yet, and the answer does not appear to be available online.

Moose posted 04-16-2013 03:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Moose    
Kevin,

Is the Grand Haven municipal boat launch and the Harbor Island boat launch one and the same? I'm assuming that they are.

Have you tried City Hall? There has to be a year round parks department, etc., employee that can answer that for you. I've used that ramp quite a few times, but have never noticed anything that appears to be tow vehicles and trailers parked overnight or long term... but I certainly may have missed it.

Steve

PeteB88 posted 04-16-2013 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Muskegon Lake is awesome, seriously prefer over Spring Lake and Grand Haven (sorry folks, free country) because there's a ton going on, beaches are terrific and several very nice restaurants you can go to by boat. Muskegon Lake is big too. There are also interesting places to cruise to - Mona Lake is a few miles south, Duck Lake SP is North a ways, Whitehall is a bit further with White Lake and cool spots. Torresen end of the lake is pretty cool, actually Muskegon Yacht Club is right there (blow boat club) and Mirassou and his crew got waylaid there for several days on the original trip - it's in his book.

I keep my boat in winter storage on Muskegon Lake. There is a private boat launch there and it is possible you guys can park trailers for zilch. Owner is in the process of dredging operations (underway last couple of years) so I need to double check if launch and dock will be available. Property is all fenced.

This said, I was in Grand Haven part of the day today and can shoot over there anytime and check Harbor Island for overnight trailer parking. It's pretty secluded at night but cops patrol. It has a huge parking lot and plenty of overflow parking too. My bet is authorities won't care about overnight but I will check.

EJO posted 04-23-2013 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for EJO  Send Email to EJO     
Like PeteB88 said Muskegon Lake is nice but farther in not a "swimming" lake closer to the big Lake it changes for the better and yes there are many places you can boat up to for food/entertainment.
Torrenson is a great full service marina and that $18 is a good secure deal.
I wish I could be there but a a VSE I have to do some vessel inspections. Maybe I can swing it do part of the rendezvous.
I'll keep monitoring and if I can be of any help let me know as I'm here in West Michigan and am familiar with all ports on the East side of Lake Michigan
K Albus posted 05-02-2013 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Is there any interest in this trip from the Michigan guys, or is it just me?

What about the Wisconsin guys - anybody planning to get together?

home Aside posted 05-02-2013 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'm on the mend from a back injury, for a while I thought I might have to give up Whalering.....feeling much better now, I am interested in making this run but only time will tell, I keep watching this thread

Pat

K Albus posted 05-02-2013 11:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Pat - It's good to hear that you're feeling better. Hopefully you can make this trip with me.
prj posted 05-03-2013 09:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Of course I'm in for this visit, inked in the calendar and excited to greet whoever crosses over from Michigan. I'll prod a couple specific locals to see if they are interested in joining for the river cruise, drinks or a meal.

Patrick

PeteB88 posted 05-08-2013 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I'm totally interested but not sure boat will be ready - might have to hitch a ride and share expenses. The other limiting factor is hectic schedule - and of course, conditions. I'm in Lansing more than home these days working on projects.

I know Tom H is interested in taking his Outrage over - he likes challenges and long runs.

EJO posted 05-16-2013 10:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for EJO  Send Email to EJO     
So what's the tally?
PeteB88 posted 05-16-2013 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
We're (or I'm) 50 -50 right now. WIll know more next week.

Best

PeteB88 posted 05-18-2013 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Lake Michigan glass smooth tonight at Grand Haven - just perfect. Not that smooth very often.
K Albus posted 05-21-2013 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I just confirmed by telephone that overnight parking is available at the Grand Haven Municipal Boat Launch. If you plan to park overnight you are required to pay the ramp fee, launch your boat, and then park in the upper lot (away from the ramp, near the bathrooms). The person I spoke with indicated that there are signs indicating the proper parking area.

The fee for launching at the Grand Haven Municipal Boat Launch is $10.00.

As of now, the plan is as stated in the first post in this thread, except that I'll be leaving from the Grand Haven Municipal Boat Launch (instead of Barrett Boat Works) at approximately 9:00 a.m.

I have also made my reservation at McKinley Marina. The charge is $36.75 for my 23-foot boat. My reservation is under "Albus" if you would like to try to get a slip near me. The reservation can be canceled with no charge up until 5:00 p.m. on June 22.

PeteB88 posted 05-28-2013 02:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Huge parking lot - out of the way but would accommodate for sure. Not far from Lake Mich -
PeteB88 posted 05-28-2013 02:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Hey - who else is going??
K Albus posted 06-13-2013 08:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Time is running out! Space is limited! Get in now if you don't want to miss the fun!
L H G posted 06-13-2013 02:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
Last Saturday, we attempeted to do some 18 Outrage boating out of Winthrop Harbor, at the IL-WI border. When I left home it was 78 degrees. When we got to the Marina, it was 56 degrees, thanks to a light east wind off the Lake. I talked to a charter fisherman just coming in, who looked frozen. He said the surface water temp 8 miles out was 42 degrees, and had no fish.

Bring lots of warm clothes and set the full canvas for that crossing or you are going to be miserable.

home Aside posted 06-17-2013 08:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
I'm not going to be able to make this one.....be safe, have fun, take lots of photos!!!

Pat

PeteB88 posted 06-17-2013 08:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Who's going??
K Albus posted 06-18-2013 08:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The preliminary wind and wave forecast is in, and it does not look good:

quote:
SATURDAY - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 25 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 2 TO 4 FT OCCASIONALLY TO 6 FT.

I'm sure this will change over the next few days. Let's hope it changes for the better.

prj posted 06-18-2013 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
I'll be waiting on my side, assuming you guys can get out of harbor.

The winds have been erratic this spring and early summer, without the stable and predictable westerlies setting up. Direction seems to spin around the compass on a daily basis even, and thats had a rather profound negative affect on our salmon fishing this side of the lake.

Fingers crossed for calm seas and high skies.

PeteB88 posted 06-18-2013 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
It's been real calm over here (Mich side) for most of the Spring. Cool temps both air and water have possibly kept heating down (my guess) so afternoon breezes and gusts have been pretty much non-existent. When fronts came through a few days ago lake blew up but so many almost dead calm days have been crazy.

Thanks for update - do you have a list of who might be going? We'd like to know.

thammer posted 06-18-2013 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for thammer  Send Email to thammer     
Wish we could go! Looks like the wind and waves are going to be good for Saturday. "Saturday: SSW wind 5 to 10 kt. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Waves 1 ft or less."

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=43.04480541304368&lon=-86.4404296875

K Albus posted 06-18-2013 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Pete - The list of confirmed attendees at this point only includes me and Patrick.
K Albus posted 06-19-2013 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Forecast update - Saturday is looking better, but Sunday is not looking good:

quote:
SATURDAY - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 3 FT.

SUNDAY - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 20 KT BECOMING SOUTHWEST. CHANCE OF
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 2 TO 4 FT OCCASIONALLY TO 6 FT.


Hoosier posted 06-19-2013 07:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Going from Detour to Meldrum Bay last year was a whole lot worse, except for the thunderstoms. I wish I could make it this year, last time was a hoot.
K Albus posted 06-20-2013 08:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The Saturday forecast looks okay, but the Sunday forecast has taken a turn for the worse:

quote:
SATURDAY - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 3 FT.

SATURDAY NIGHT - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 3 FT.

SUNDAY AND MONDAY - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 25 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 3 TO 5 FT OCCASIONALLY TO 8 FT.


No decision yet on whether to cancel. Awaiting further forecasts.

prj posted 06-20-2013 10:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
The NOAA forecast I'm seeing looks a bit more optimistic than yours, Kevin:

Saturday: S wind 10 to 15 kt. A chance of showers and thunderstorms. Waves 1 to 2 ft.

Saturday Night: S wind around 10 kt. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Waves 1 ft or less.

Sunday: S wind around 15 kt. A slight chance of showers and thunderstorms. Waves 1 to 2 ft.

From this NOAA site, approximately mid-lake between Milwaukee and Grand Haven:

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?map.x=349&map.y=147&site=mkx& zmx=1&zmy=1

Tom W Clark posted 06-20-2013 11:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=LMZ872& warncounty=marine&firewxzone=&local_place1=45NM+WSW+Muskegon+MI& product1=Hazardous+Weather+Outlook

quote:
DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

THERE IS A SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS LATE TONIGHT OVER
NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE LAKE.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...FRIDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY.

THERE WILL BE PERIODIC CHANCES OF THUNDERSTORMS. ANY STORMS THAT
DO OCCUR COULD TURN SEVERE WITH WIND GUSTS OVER 50 KNOTS POSSIBLE.


K Albus posted 06-20-2013 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The forecasts that I have been posting are the Lake Michigan open waters (more than 5 miles from shore) forecasts at this web address: http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/fmtbltn.pl?file=forecasts/marine/ great_lakes/lm/lmz872.txt

I'm not sure how much faith should be put into the "point forecasts." They appear to be the same at any point across the entire lake. I know from experience that conditions in the middle of the lake are rarely the same as conditions near shore.

Tom's hazardous weather forecast is certainly an eye-opener, even if it is a little vague about the potential timing of the possible thunderstorms.

The main thing that I'm looking at right now is the sustained (and increasing) southerly winds. By Sunday, those winds will have been blowing for at least four days in row. That makes me very skeptical of any forecast of waves of only 1 to 2 feet.

prj posted 06-20-2013 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
This is not unlike the adage stating a man with two clocks is never certain of the time. My NWS Great Lakes forecast is coinciding quite nicely with the actual real-time reading of mid-lake buoy 45007:

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/station_page.php?station=45007

That would be a nice indicator for your journey west cross-lake, but provides no guarantees for the following day's eastern leg, of course. And you have the cross state drive to consider as well, a not insignificant journey.

I can appreciate the skepticism upon looking deeper at the sustained southerly winds. We'll monitor it in an ongoing manner I suppose. And it goes without saying that I envy the magnitude of your decision, Kevin! I'll put you up for a night or so if you get stuck in Milwaukee.

K Albus posted 06-20-2013 03:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
My approach, as of right now, is that the Saturday forecast looks good enough for me to at least start the voyage. If it's too rough out there, I'll turn around and go back.

As of right now, the Sunday forecast is a problem. If it does not get any better, the mission will probably be scrubbed. If the forecast improves, at least for Sunday morning, the trip may still be on.

Standing by, monitoring the forecast.

L H G posted 06-20-2013 04:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
With a single engine boat, even in calm conditions, I would not cross Lake Michigan at it's widest point without the company of at least one other capable boat.
K Albus posted 06-21-2013 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Not much change in the forecast. I'll add tonight's forecast for some additional perspective.

quote:
TONIGHT - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 25 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 3 TO 5 FT OCCASIONALLY TO 8 FT.

SATURDAY - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES SUBSIDING TO 1 TO 3 FT.

SATURDAY NIGHT - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. PATCHY FOG. SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 3 FT.

SUNDAY - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 25 KT. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 2 TO 4 FT OCCASIONALLY TO 6 FT.


Again, Saturday doesn't look too bad. But tonight looks bad, and so does Sunday. Also, the land-based forecast does not show the wind letting up on Saturday like the offshore forecast does. Monday doesn't look any better than Sunday, and I can't afford to be stuck in Milwaukee for two extra nights.

As of 6:50 a.m. this morning, the mid-lake weather buoy is showing waves of only .7 feet, but the wave height has been building.

Still no decision.

K Albus posted 06-21-2013 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
By the way, I really want to make this trip. I'm not trying to use the weather as an excuse for getting out of it. The fact that I would be making the crossing alone in both directions has me a little more concerned about the weather than I might otherwise be.

You could say that I'm dying to make this trip, but I'm not willing to die making this trip.

prj posted 06-21-2013 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Your enthusiasm is recognized, Kevin. I'm having to hold back a degree of encouragement, as I realize that it won't be me in the middle of the lake facing 2-4 footers for a couple hours on end. Understand I'm excited to host a 2 man rendezvous!
K Albus posted 06-21-2013 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
The forecast has improved:

[quote]SATURDAY - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. PATCHY FOG. CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 2 FT.

SATURDAY NIGHT - SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. AREAS OF FOG. SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 2 FT.

SUNDAY - SOUTH WINDS 15 TO 20 KT. PATCHY DENSE FOG. SLIGHT
CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. WAVES 1 TO 3 FT.[quote]

It's a go, for now. I reserve the right to abort the trip tomorrow if conditions are unfavorable. But I plan to depart from Grand Haven at approximately 8:45 a.m.

K Albus posted 06-21-2013 08:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Anybody who's interested can track my progress on www.marinetraffic.com/ais/ . My vessel name is Outlier. Don't be alarmed if/when I drop out of view in the middle of Lake Michigan - I'll be using the mAIS app, and my signal will disappear when I move out of cell phone range.
jimh posted 06-21-2013 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I like to use the NOAA digital forecasts. See

http://graphical.weather.gov/sectors/michigan.php#tabs

This forecast model is showing wave heights of 2-feet over the portion of Lake Michigan you will be transiting on Saturday morning and also on Sunday. Since the waves will be a beam sea, a 2-foot wave height should not be very troubling for a capable boat like your fine [non-Boston Whaler] 23-foot moderate V-hull cuddy cabin boat with extremely reliable, modern, new, four-stroke-cycle single outboard engine made by a renown manufacturer whose reputation for quality and reliability is the best in the industry.

As for crossing the lake by yourself in a single engine boat, I would suggest this: don't shut off your engine in the middle of the lake. Also, please wear your safety lanyard. And, if you have to take a break in the middle of the lake, use a plastic cup instead of leaning over the side.

You can also approach the waves like a sailboat, making some tacks, that is, running upwind a bit, then turning and running downwind or more with the waves at a faster pace. You might even run along the Michigan shore right at the start, getting a bit to the South, then take a long tack across the lake with a course a bit more to the North, if that would make the angle on the waves more favorable.

jimh posted 06-22-2013 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin is making the crossing!

Here is a screen shot of his boat on MARINETRAFFIC.COM reporting its position via AIS:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/images/OutlierAIS.png

Jeff posted 06-22-2013 09:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
Good luck Kevin....There's some big storms rolling in over the lake now, and more to follow.....

National Weather Mosaic radar image overlaid on top of Marinetraffic...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/kevin_zps2cbd275a. jpg


National Weather Mosaic
http://radar.weather.gov/Conus/full_loop.php
Marine Traffic
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/

jimh posted 06-22-2013 09:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin is on course 270-degrees making 28.5-knots. Here is the track:

http://continuouswave.com/whaler/images/OutlierAIS_Track2.png

prj posted 06-22-2013 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Indeed he is off and running, at a reported speed of 28.5 knots or 33 mph. That comports nicely with mid-lake buoy wave height readings of 1 foot.

I'll have to finish my coffee and newspaper and pack a gear bag more quickly than the leisurely rate I started with this morning.

Speaking with him via telephone this morning at the boat ramp, I advised that it rained in Milwaukee from 3 am to about 8 am, he remained undaunted.

jimh posted 06-22-2013 10:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kevin has now entered the cone of silence of mid-Lake. Let's hope he emerges on the other shore.
prj posted 06-22-2013 12:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
At 2 hours, that is a wide cone of wide cone of silence...
PeteB88 posted 06-22-2013 08:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
He replied to my text at 3:08 this afternoon confirming he made it "I went and I made it..." I sent another text at 5:26 asking about conditions and when he planed to return and have not heard anything. Not sure if he's spending night or returning. Conditions were not bad at all when I was at the beach earlier this afternoon.
Hoosier posted 06-23-2013 08:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Hoosier  Send Email to Hoosier     
Kevin is underway

http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?level0=100

PeteB88 posted 06-23-2013 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Yep - Kevin is eastbound. We might go to the dock and meet him when he gets in. Too bad my Outrage is still in storage I'd take her out and meet him offshore a few miles. Almost July and haven't splashed any of our boats. Dang.
PeteB88 posted 06-23-2013 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Trying to figure Kevin's arrival Grand Haven -
prj posted 06-23-2013 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
I see that Kevin is 2 hours 40 out of AIS communication, and was last clocked at a blistering 6.1 knots. Woof, that suggests to me that he's facing significant fog banks in plodding his way across the lake. His crossing west yesterday took 50% longer than ideal at 4 hours 30 minutes due to fog. When Outlier came back into range on the AIS, I was sitting ashore at our rendezvous location cheering and cursing him along, 8 knots! 12 knots! Come on!

Additionally, the mid-lake buoy is reading south winds at 15.5 kts, and waves at 2.3 feet, not insignificant for a boat the size of Outlier when considering the 4 footers that will be tossed in with regularity.

Kevin and I had a fine time, traversing all three rivers to their powerboat navigable ends, and checking out Milwaukee from both water and land. I'll get some photos up in the near term and know we can count on Kevin for a well narrated synopsis of the affair.

Patrick in Milwaukee

PeteB88 posted 06-23-2013 11:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Thanks for the info - I wonder when he might arrive? It's bright and clear here next to Grand Haven and Muskegon a few miles from the beach - beach cam (Grand Haven Surf Cam - http://surfgrandhaven.com/cms/) shows same with probably 3 footers hitting the beach.

I think I'll drive over to the ramp and see if I can run into him. Sounds like a great time and I know several of us wanted to go. Time and priorities and some guys on Eastside of the state don't come over here very often. Long haul and fuel cost for sure. It's about 3 hour drive on interstate to Detroit area.

jimh posted 06-23-2013 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
OUTLIER does not have an actual AIS transponder. The website MARINETRAFFIC.COM is the only place he shows up. This means that other boats navigating in a foggy Lake Michigan will not see OUTLIER on their AIS receivers.
K Albus posted 06-23-2013 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
I left Milwaukee at about 7:15 a.m. CDT, aade it back to Grand Haven at noon EDT, a trip of about 3 hours and 45 minutes. It was pretty rough out there today, starting with one-footers just out of Milwaukee and building to three-footers by mid-lake, with the occasional four- and five-footers thrown in. The waves were coming from the southeast for the first half of the trip, which meant that I was quartering into them. At mid-lake they shifted and were coming more from the south. That allowed me to speed up, but I still took a bit of a pounding. The last 10 miles, coming into Grand Haven, were the roughest. True three-footers that were apparently bouncing of the shore and coming at me in two directions.

No fog anywhere on the crossing, despite the dense fog advisory issued by the Coast Guard.

I was greeted by Pete B. at the launch ramp upon my return to Grand Haven. (Thanks for coming out, Pete!)

I'll post some pictures later.

PeteB88 posted 06-23-2013 05:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
No problem Kevin, it was the closest I've been to a boat or even on a boat all this year. Hopefully I can get the Outrage out before fall. That is one fine vessel you have there Kevin. Seriously nice.

Best to you

K Albus posted 06-26-2013 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for K Albus  Send Email to K Albus     
Now for some photos from the trip.

When I launched my boat, it was a little hazy, and there was a decent breeze blowing. Here, you can see the ripples on the Grand River: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/LeavingGrandHaven1_zpsd5a4f6db.jpg

Upon reaching Lake Michigan, I found gentle rolling waves of less than one foot: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/LeavingGrandHaven2_zpsce2b267e.jpg

My friend Steve, a first-time boat owner as of last summer, and his son Austin, accompanied me out for the first five miles of the trip: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/SteveandAustin_zps36ddcfcd.jpg

The first half of the crossing went quickly, with speeds up to the mid-40s. The waves remained small, but I did "get some air," and I apparently knocked my transducer up out of its locked position. I made my customary stop at mid-lake to contemplate the vastness of situation, and I took this picture to document my location. As you will see that I'm getting no depth reading. http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/ChartplotterMid-Lake_zpsbaece824. jpg .

By mid-lake, a fairly thick fog was beginning to set in, as seen in this short video: http://s512.photobucket.com/user/kalbus/media/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/IMG_0313_zpsa13e4fd5.mp4.html

Even with the fog, I was able to maintain speeds in excess of 20 mph until I was approximately 20 miles from Milwaukee. At that point, the fog was so thick that I could only see approximately 50 feet in any given direction. I slowed to approximately 8-10 mph, and I had a bit of a scare when I saw the Lake Express Ferry's AIS marker flying up behind me on my chartplotter. I altered my course to get out of the way. The ferry passed within two miles of me, but I never saw it or heard it.

About two miles from Milwaukee Harbor, the fog started to clear and this ghost appeared out of the mist: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/SVDennisSullivan_zps883707fd.jpg

I was amazed at how close I got to shore before I actually saw the city. The fog made for some interesting pictures:

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/MilwaukeeInTheFog1_zps8a4cd8ff.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/MilwaukeeInTheFog2_zpsf34d51df.jpg

Patrick ("prj") was waiting for me at the state park, and caught my approach: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/ApproachingMilwaukee_zps6291da77. jpg

After a short rest, we embarked on a tour of the three rivers running through downtown Milwaukee. First, we traversed the Kinnickinnic River, where we found the St. Mary's Challenger docked in upstream from some impossibly narrow bridge openings: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/StMarysChallenger_zps78d2641b.jpg

We stopped for lunch at Barnacle Bud's, a salty little place on the Kinnickinnic River. This isn't a great picture - the warehouse in the background is a separate building. http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/BarnacleBuds_zpsf5ea9242.jpg

We both ordered the fried smelt basket for lunch, which was very tasty, but perhaps didn't digest well for Patrick. http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/ PRJatBarnacleBuds_edited-1_zps0782b946.jpg

Next, we traversed the Milwaukee River, checking out the redeveloped River Walk area. There are lots of bars and restaurants right on the river. Here's a picture of one nice looking block of buildings: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/MilwaukeeRiverWalk_zps180e16ff.jpg

We then ran up the Menominee River. Not too much going on up that way, but we did get mooned by a couple of kids at the local skate park. We were also treated to some very nice non-commissioned artwork: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/LocalArtWork_zps5231fbf8.jpg

After checking out the rivers, we headed out to Lake Michigan where I let Patrick take the helm for a test drive of my boat. During the ride, I was fiddling with chartplotter/sounder, trying to get my depth reading back. I was having no luck until Patrick asked me a question about my transducer. A light instantly went on in my head, and I ran to the back of the boat find that the transducer had popped up sometime earlier in the day. Problem solved.

After Patrick's test drive, we headed to McKinley Marina to look at the boats and to check into my slip for the night. Patrick is considering a trawler for some time in the future, as reflected in his choice of photo subjects.

Grand Banks 42: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/GrandBanks_zpsba31b5b5.jpg

Indigo Star - a 61-foot steel-hulled beauty:
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/IndigoStar_zpsb12f9dc2.jpg

Great Harbor 37: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/GreatHarbor37_zps13c0fd62.jpg

And for some Boston Whaler content, a 27 Offshore:
http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/27Offshore_zps31fcad5e.jpg

We drank a couple of beers at the marina, and then headed out to dinner. We went to the Hi Hat/The Garage, where I had an excellent bacon cheeseburger. Patrick was feeling a little off, and opted for a liquid dinner.

I returned to my boat after dinner and spent a peaceful night in the marina. I was up early and had to wait for the fuel dock to open at 7:00 a.m. so that get on my way home: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/WaitAtTheFuelDock_zps4b6f653b.jpg

Finally, here's two pictures of McKinley Marina - one with my boat in it, and one without: http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/McKinleyMarina2_zpsa38a5d35.jpg

http://i512.photobucket.com/albums/t329/kalbus/ Grand%20Haven%20to%20Milwaukee%202013/McKinleyMarina_zps70e95747.jpg

home Aside posted 06-27-2013 01:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for home Aside  Send Email to home Aside     
Nice photos & narrative Kevin, wish I could have joined you!
prj posted 06-28-2013 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Nice narrative Kevin, it distills the long day rather effectively.

In defense of the smelt lunch (they were exceptional and undoubtedly from this spring) as well as my reputation as an Iron Gut, I was indeed coming down with a nasty 30 hour illness on Saturday. As I was struggling over my Pabst on your boat around 5 PM, it was quite apparent to me that I was "off".

We had fine and mild weather for the extensive displacement speed cruising on the three rivers, not too hot which was a relief as Kevin had the Pursuit fairly tight in canvas for the morning crossing. From the B-list of photos, I have the following:

Gratuitous Boarding by Law Enforcement, or possible a blow boat in the inner harbor full of illegal Canadians with body cavities full of illicit drugs. Yea... probably just the Milwaukee Police justifying the purchase of their $450,000 aluminum hulled machine:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25169902@N00/9162386018/

More on-water assets for the myriad local law enforcement agencies. Note that the lovely Sheriff's Boston Whaler Offshore 27 that Kevin linked to above is just left of the image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25169902@N00/9162390938/

Three tour boats on the Milwaukee River:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25169902@N00/9160164365/

First Place on the River, a condo conversion from a cold storage warehouse, just opposite the 3rd Ward image from Kevin's narrative:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25169902@N00/9160165745/

And finally, some local color spied on the Menomonee River, the most industrial and desolate of the three rivers that converge in Milwaukee:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25169902@N00/9162398460/

jimh posted 06-28-2013 07:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
That condo on the river, First Place, is that Bauhaus in style?
prj posted 06-28-2013 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
That would be one of the more flattering descriptions of this project I've read, but from this view, I can certainly see some of the rhythms apparent in the earliest and most influential Bauhaus design work. The camera treated First Place well from this angle, I confess.

Having cut my teeth in Chicago, I have a certain fondness for Gropius' and Mies' machines for living:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bauhaus-Dessau_Fassade.JPG

http://dami817.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/ crown-hall-iit-college-of-architecture/

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