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15' "Rage" with 175 merc superjet
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posted 06-19-2001 10:01 PM ET (US)
Giving thought to purchasing a 15' "Rage"
just have questions about the boat if anyone
can help. How do these jets handle at low
speed? Have seen some jet boats with small
rudder attached to back of nozzle, is this offered on the "Rage'? I noticed most have the OMC 115hp engine, does it have enough power for this boat, or should I look for one with the 175 merc sportjet? Any help greatly
posted 06-19-2001 10:40 PM ET (US)
I have never run one of the BW jets but many jet riverboats. No jet handles great at low speed but you will learn to handle it with practice. The best rule of thumb for a jet boat is "maximum horse power".
posted 06-19-2001 10:54 PM ET (US)
well first of all they dont make the boats anymore and 2nd they will be collectables in the near future so get it and run the omc until it blows up.... omc and merc are new at jetdrive not to relaible!
posted 06-20-2001 01:04 PM ET (US)
The OMC 115 will be way underpowered. Go for the Merc 175 if you can find one, have never heard of a reliability problem on the Merc unit.
posted 06-20-2001 03:05 PM ET (US)
Hunt around in the Forum and you'll find discussion from others considering a Rage.
In short, I'd recommend against such a purchase. They are not a good investment.
posted 06-20-2001 09:48 PM ET (US)
Haven't found many forums that discuss this
specific boat. Have owned two previous 13's
and a couple of SeaRays, looking for something the kids can play with instead of
JetSkis. Haven't found many boats yet that
were good investments.
posted 06-22-2001 11:59 PM ET (US)
The Rage can be a great boat once you learn the quirks of the jet. The steering at slow power can be difficult until you understand the properties at work.
You must remove the neutral lock to allow you to reverse quickly to control the rear of the boat at SLOW speeds. Going at speeds over 3mph you must create extra thrust to turn so you must give power. In turn this creates speed that has the potential of accelerating you and the boat into stationary or moving objects thus the reason for instant reverse (the boat will decelerate from 20mph to -1 within 16 feet). This also allows for a great springboard for your most disliked passengers. It is a boat with brakes.
But don’t always believe that.
I would suggest getting the 175 if you want to go over 30 mph with 400lbs load (with me, full tank and safety gear 33mph GPS) and 23mph GPS with 800lbs.
I love my rage and I believe the hull is a dauntless hull but have never had it side by side with one.
Rage maybe a jet boat but it is still a Whaler!
I wouldn’t pay more than $8,000 for a tip, top, pristine, perfect specimen but, mine is worth $15,000 to me.
posted 06-23-2001 12:13 AM ET (US)
Jet boats are a breed of their own, be it a Whaler hull or an aluminum river boat. They handle differently than a prop powerd boat, they are not as efficient but they are fun, safe and will run in water that a prop boat can't.
It takes a little time and practice to master a jet boats handling but don't let anyone who has not been to that level discourage you.
I have hundreds of hours behind the wheel of jet river boats and have loved every minute of it. Now the proud owner of a Montauk and love it.
posted 06-23-2001 06:30 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the input. Have found many with
OMC 115, but not having much luck locating
the 175 merc model, which everyone tends to
agree is a real fun creature. Looking for
one at reasonable price, so if anyone has info let me know, I'am in Va.and will travel some to get it. Thanks
posted 06-25-2001 11:42 AM ET (US)
You will have a hard time finding a 15 Rage with a 175 Merc jet in it. Not many were sold. This was a last ditch effort to save the boat, since the OMC 115 was such a problem for them. With the OMC failure, I would stay away from an OMC jet. Can't inagine that Bombardier is going to support this unit.
If the boat goes 30 mph with 115HP jet, I wonder how fast a 15 Sport or Dauntless would go with a 115HP Outboard! 70?
posted 06-25-2001 02:50 PM ET (US)
I have ridden in jet boats and driven "jet skis". Both are certainly fun.
If you are truly interested in a mini Jet boat you might consider looking around for one that was built more recently. Try:
All of these were built after the Rage was discontinued; some still are. For the same price as a Rage you probably could get a boat that has less hours and have newer motor and jet pump. The newer motor and jet pump could translate into getting one that has the "bugs" worked out.
Another concern too consider about used mini jet boats is owner maintenance, or rather lack of. No boat, Whaler or not, can take being abused. My impression of most of the owners of mini jets is that they are not concerned all that much with maintenance. The trailers are beat, the boat is dinged, the motors aren't tuned, etc. These boats were and are marketed as a fun water toy, meant to eliminate lifes work not add to it. Not all mini jet owners are like this, but many are. Make sure you examine any mini jet with this in mind.
Personally, I think that you would be better served with Dauntless 15 or Classic 15. You could get 30 MPH on 50-60 HP, use a lot less gas, have a boat that can have the motor changed when needed, and be easier to sell if needed or desired. This is my opinion only, sow make your own decicison.
posted 06-25-2001 10:09 PM ET (US)
videofxr: There are two 15 ft 175hp Mercury Rages in the classified ads of yesterday's (Sunday, June 24) Birmingham News. One is a '97, "exc. cond." at asking price of $11,500, (205)799-6600. The other is a '98, "18 hrs, like new" at $15,900, (334)289-1717 or (334)289-0370. There has been a rash of Rages advertised here lately.
posted 06-26-2001 05:09 AM ET (US)
posted 06-28-2001 04:24 AM ET (US)
Merc had a oil pump problem with the 175 sports jet around 1996. They ended up with a recall on it due to a lot of motors blowing up. There was also complaints of problems with the ignition key chips burning up(very expensive item). You can take a look at the service bulletin at: http://www.outdrives.com/bulletin/oemoutboard/bullet/96/96index.html
Also look at the 97 bulletins.
posted 06-28-2001 10:06 PM ET (US)
1996 18foot Rage with 285 hp ford redline.
40mph+,7 passenger,less than 200hrs.
posted 06-28-2001 10:10 PM ET (US)
That 18.6 rage is in the St.pete times
clasified listed under tampabay.com
posted 06-28-2001 11:42 PM ET (US)
There is an 18' jet Whaler on eBay:
Good luck, and let us know how it works out.
posted 06-29-2001 05:47 AM ET (US)
Thanks, just looking for the 15' model, with
175 Merc SportJet.
posted 06-30-2001 01:13 AM ET (US)
Why buy crap when you can buy a Whaler.
I dont now what you ride in but you cant be a real whaler guy when you recommend boats that cost the same or less than a dingy.
If you drive a whaler you must pay the price!
Whaler = Big hole to start but it gets smaller with age!
posted 06-30-2001 08:10 AM ET (US)
Four Winns, Sea Ray, and Sea Doos aren't crap. They just aren't built as well as Whalers. Mini-jets are also more homogenous than other genres. The drive technology is more narrowly focused in application so the hulls end up more similar than other types of boats. That doesn't make them bad boats, but does mean that their less distinguishing on mini-jet from another. Certainly your Rage is better built than many other min-jets out there. But I still stand by my opinion that videofxr could be perfevtly happy with one of my recommended boats. If you will note I didn't recommend a Jazz or Tracker bass jet boat.
Besides, my main point to videofxr was not to be fixated on a Rage. Based on some of the other posts the 175s are hard to come by, and there appear to be some reliability issues. Buying a new or younger used boat from different manufacture might result in getting one with the "kinks" worked out. All new products have problems at first, then the problems are usually corrected. But this takes time. And since Whaler stopped making mini-jets sooner than the above they are more likely to have problems than a newer unit.
Remeber, videofxr stated "looking for something the kids can play with instead of Jetskis". All of the boats I mentioned would be fine for that. As a matter of opinion, if we are talking about a boat for the childrens I would get the 115, which is far less likely to get them into trouble. But that is my opinion.
I know you love your Rage. I don't have any agenda against them. They, and other mini-jets work well for some. But unlike a used outboard powered Whaler you can't just buy a new motor and put it on if needed. So if there are issues of reliabiltiy then videofxr ought to know about them going into the purchase. He is free to choose whatever boat he wants. and he will probably be happy with the choice if he has done his research well. If not he may end up hating the purchase, which would be a shame and a waste of his money.
For the record, I have a Dauntless 14 which I just bought. This is my 3rd Whaler.
posted 08-20-2001 06:38 PM ET (US)
I have a similar question....why did Whaler drop the RAGe waterjet line?
I'm looking for an 18 Rage, and wonder why it has such a lower price than other 18 Whalers...
Was it that the hull didn't perform well with the rudderless propulsion (ie an outboard...). I have seen in lit a comment about certain hulls that really were bad designs to mate with jets. I expected that the hard chines of the Whaler would be good though.
Did Brunswick kill the Rage line just to focus the production in Fla?
posted 08-20-2001 10:05 PM ET (US)
The demand for jet boats has dropped over the years. So lower resale value.
I am not quite sure why the line was dropped. I had asked a dealer once and was told it was an excursion into a hot product for the time. The line is also an inboard design, which, from what I have seen is not common in Boston Whaler's history. He also indicated that there was a progression in the increasing of HP, the first 15 Rage started out with a 50 HP Yamaha then to OMC 90, to OMC & Mercury 115, to the Mercury 175 ending with the Rage 18 with the Ford V8. He had felt that BW did this believing that output power for the rage was inadequate and was hurting sales. The 18 Rage was the last hurrah, and the best of the series, by then sales were too far-gone with Yamaha, SeaDoo and the others holding a solid share of the dwindling jet boat crowd. This is only speculation on my part.
I hope you find your 18 Rage with the Ford V8 and multi-stage jet.
posted 08-21-2001 12:30 AM ET (US)
While not for sale, I saw a 175 in the South Haven area. He/she trailered it to the water every day (as I did). It was very modern in it's ergos. Seemed to be very well screwed together. Tried to catch it on the water without much success. I was impressed at the integration of the total Whaler package. It is nice to see some of the rarer variants. Good luck.
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