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cat tales posted 01-06-2002 08:40 AM ET (US)
I have made a offer on a 1994 21 outrage, and have never ridden in one yet. I was looking for anyones experience running this boat offshore in a head sea. I have a sea trial scheduled but who knows what the weather will be like. The boat is a 1994 with a newer 200.
Any and all comments appreciated.
Thanks, Ed
lhg posted 01-06-2002 05:25 PM ET (US)
I happen to like this 21' Whaler hull, designed by the VanLancker team under Reebock's ownership of the Company. Originally it appeared as the 1991 21 Walkaround. One of the guys in our "Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club" has this Walkaround (see Rendezvous section), with a single Yamaha 200, and it performs VERY well. In a moderate head sea (5' or less) it has no problem keeping up with a 22 or 25 Outrage. In a large following sea (5' or greater) however, the owner has complained that it doesn't perform as well as the earlier hulls, and often runs behind us, finding it harder to control on the back downhill side of a wave. An 18 Outrage will "out-track" it in these conditions. Besides the deeper V deadrise, the single engine design of this Walkaround could be part of the reason. My guess that the Outrage version, with twin 150's installed, would track better down the big seas. I have ridden in one of these 21's, with twin 115OMCs, and it was a great boat. I believe this was the last Whaler Outrage hull for which Mills designed their full canvas system, which I would highly recommend.
One of the problems BW had with the 21 & 24 Outrages of these years was a tendency for the white gelcoat to "yellow out", some kind of a chemical reaction. It is not possible to fix this, so look out for that condition if it matters to you. It was only a cosmetic problem, but a lot of owners complained about this under the warranties, and some even sold these models, because of it.

DrZ posted 01-06-2002 07:08 PM ET (US)
I own a 1994 21 foot Outrage with a 200 HP Evinrude Ocean Pro. Have had it for approx 3 years. Love the hull. Not too crazy about the engine. When the four strokes get lighter will repower with twins. Buy the boat yoooou will love it. No complaints about the gel coat. I previously owned a Mako I bought new. The finish on this boat is better than the finish on the Mako when it left the factory. If yoou have any other questions feel free to email me.
cat tales posted 01-07-2002 10:04 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the info. gentlemen. Any other comments on the ride would be grealy appreciated. I am sold on the layout and looks. Thanks again.
Ed
JoeO posted 01-09-2002 01:29 PM ET (US)
I have a 93 with an Evinrude 200 and a T-top. I boat primarily in Block Island Sound where the seas are normally a steep 2-4'with moderate winds of 15+/- 5 knots. Under these conditions the boat rides very well at 25 knots (top speed on mine is about 34-35 knots). With the engine trimmed, there is little propoising, although the boat will pound depending on how steep the seas are, especially as you get closer to 4'. In any larger seas you need to slow down considerably, less than 20 knots. This is after all only a 21' boat:).
I have also noticed that a large following sea will tend to push the bow to port, but only to the extent that it takes a little more effort to steer, not to the point of ever putting me in a dangerous situation.
I also have slight discoloring of the gel coat (primarily on the bow and foredeck, not on the locker covers). Polishing will remove most of the discoloration, but it returns in a few weeks. It did not keep me from buying the boat.
This is a great hull, it is solid (heavy) and rides as well as any 21' boat I have been on. Good Luck.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 21
cat tales	posted 01-06-2002 08:40 AM ET (US) I have made a offer on a 1994 21 outrage, and have never ridden in one yet. I was looking for anyones experience running this boat offshore in a head sea. I have a sea trial scheduled but who knows what the weather will be like. The boat is a 1994 with a newer 200. Any and all comments appreciated. Thanks, Ed
lhg	posted 01-06-2002 05:25 PM ET (US) I happen to like this 21' Whaler hull, designed by the VanLancker team under Reebock's ownership of the Company. Originally it appeared as the 1991 21 Walkaround. One of the guys in our "Boston Whaler Great Lakes Cruising Club" has this Walkaround (see Rendezvous section), with a single Yamaha 200, and it performs VERY well. In a moderate head sea (5' or less) it has no problem keeping up with a 22 or 25 Outrage. In a large following sea (5' or greater) however, the owner has complained that it doesn't perform as well as the earlier hulls, and often runs behind us, finding it harder to control on the back downhill side of a wave. An 18 Outrage will "out-track" it in these conditions. Besides the deeper V deadrise, the single engine design of this Walkaround could be part of the reason. My guess that the Outrage version, with twin 150's installed, would track better down the big seas. I have ridden in one of these 21's, with twin 115OMCs, and it was a great boat. I believe this was the last Whaler Outrage hull for which Mills designed their full canvas system, which I would highly recommend. One of the problems BW had with the 21 & 24 Outrages of these years was a tendency for the white gelcoat to "yellow out", some kind of a chemical reaction. It is not possible to fix this, so look out for that condition if it matters to you. It was only a cosmetic problem, but a lot of owners complained about this under the warranties, and some even sold these models, because of it.
DrZ	posted 01-06-2002 07:08 PM ET (US) I own a 1994 21 foot Outrage with a 200 HP Evinrude Ocean Pro. Have had it for approx 3 years. Love the hull. Not too crazy about the engine. When the four strokes get lighter will repower with twins. Buy the boat yoooou will love it. No complaints about the gel coat. I previously owned a Mako I bought new. The finish on this boat is better than the finish on the Mako when it left the factory. If yoou have any other questions feel free to email me.
cat tales	posted 01-07-2002 10:04 AM ET (US) Thanks for the info. gentlemen. Any other comments on the ride would be grealy appreciated. I am sold on the layout and looks. Thanks again. Ed
JoeO	posted 01-09-2002 01:29 PM ET (US) I have a 93 with an Evinrude 200 and a T-top. I boat primarily in Block Island Sound where the seas are normally a steep 2-4'with moderate winds of 15+/- 5 knots. Under these conditions the boat rides very well at 25 knots (top speed on mine is about 34-35 knots). With the engine trimmed, there is little propoising, although the boat will pound depending on how steep the seas are, especially as you get closer to 4'. In any larger seas you need to slow down considerably, less than 20 knots. This is after all only a 21' boat:). I have also noticed that a large following sea will tend to push the bow to port, but only to the extent that it takes a little more effort to steer, not to the point of ever putting me in a dangerous situation. I also have slight discoloring of the gel coat (primarily on the bow and foredeck, not on the locker covers). Polishing will remove most of the discoloration, but it returns in a few weeks. It did not keep me from buying the boat. This is a great hull, it is solid (heavy) and rides as well as any 21' boat I have been on. Good Luck.