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jbtaz posted 01-10-2002 10:14 AM ET (US)
The new 27 Outrage is out and from the pic and specs looks nice. It looks similiar to the Contender.
Ventura16 posted 01-10-2002 11:30 AM ET (US)
Where did you see pictures and specs on the new Outrage? I don't see anything on Whaler's website about it.
Tom
jbtaz posted 01-10-2002 11:36 AM ET (US)
under Outrage
Tom W Clark posted 01-10-2002 11:44 AM ET (US)
http://whaler.com/REC/270_outrage.htm
hauptjm posted 01-10-2002 02:38 PM ET (US)
Something weird: under Outrage, Whaler shows two 21ft. models. The 210 and the 21. The 21 appears at the very right end of the size choices , right after the 29.
lhg posted 01-10-2002 02:39 PM ET (US)
There is definitely new hull design in the wind at BW, finally! This one looks like a larger version of the new 21, which as I have commented elsewhere, looks more like a Dougherty 31 (also had a more pointed bow) hull than any Whaler designed since 1990. I think most here will like the looks of these 2 new boats. They look more like Whalers, and less like Sea Rays. Lower freeboard, nice concave curved hull lines, and the euro transom is being made less dramatic. I think Whaler Outrages are about to be re-recognized as uniquely designed, highly recognizeable boats. And I say great!
But it should have a bow pulpit instead of a cheap anchor roller, and I still disagree with no high bow rail in an offshore boat. I hope their marketing research is not bad there. And commission Mills to give it all weather capability for use north of Florida, instead of little curtains around a speed killing tee top!
It's weight is a dissapointment for those interested in trailering or fuel effeciency, but probably not a concern to most potential buyers, who will never trail these around. With an 8'6" beam, it's still 1000# heavier than the old 10' beam 27 Center console cuddy model, and with half of the reserve floatation. That's the high price of the 3 glass mold designs they are using these days.
My guess is that this 27 is designed to replace the 26, with it's now out of date look. My guess is a new 23 or 24 is also in the works.
Already they are throwing out the first series of heavy handed Outrages designed under Brunswick/Sea Ray, and moving back to Whaler's more traditional look. Would be buyers of new boats should look at them carefully. I think they will be well received, once the economy gets going again.
lhg posted 01-10-2002 02:45 PM ET (US)
Jim - They keep the old models on the website so the Dealers can get rid of leftover inventory, making it look like they're still current. Otherwise, who would buy one? I happened to see a leftover 21 displayed right next to a new "210", and the new one looks MUCH better. The new one is a smaller boat.
It looks like the company has finally learned the lesson of the auto companies in 1976, that larger and larger is not better.
Ventura16 posted 01-10-2002 02:48 PM ET (US)
Thanks guys, I see it now. I like the looks a lot...I think it (and the 210) are much sleeker than the 1999-2001 Outrages. I agree with Larry, I think it will be very well received. It does mention that a full bow rail is available as an option. Tom
jbtaz posted 01-10-2002 03:07 PM ET (US)
I agree that this boat looks great. I can't wait to see it in person. Apparently it's at the NY show right now. I think it will do well and hope it (and the 210) are the look of Whaler to come!
Peter posted 01-10-2002 10:09 PM ET (US)
They do have one at the NYC boat show. Didn't get a chance to climb on it but from what I did see it looked a bit like a sleeker 26, er I mean "260", Outrage. I think that it may have as much Euro transom as the 260 but its disguised better by curving the deck joint/rub rail seam gradually over a longer distance, rather than having two straight relatively lines joined at an angle near the stern. My impression was that this aesthetic detail to minimize the unattractive Euro transom (my opinion) may be at the expense of some rub rail functionality from about the leaning post back to the stern.
hauptjm posted 01-11-2002 12:56 PM ET (US)
I agree that the new 27 is a much better looking design from the photos. I'd really like to see one in person. I'm going to lobby the dealers locally to see if they can get one for the 2002 New Orleans Boat show.
I find it encouraging that Brunswick may have taken notice of the state-of-affairs at Whaler, and are proactively doing something about it. Like 'em or not, Brunswick didn't develop themselves into the market position they're in by being idiots. The almighty dollar dictates that you sink or swim.
Personally, I'd like to see Brunswick buy Edgewater (or wherever Dougherty is located), and bring him back in to spearhead a Whaler design team for new millennium.
Jurisproodenz posted 01-11-2002 06:17 PM ET (US)
Not to sound a discordant note, but the new 270 looks to me to be more Searay than anything I have seen BW ever do. As previously noted, nobody said that Brunswick was stupid. And they sure sell a lot of Searays. Just look at the sheer on the BW 270 and the SR 270 or 230 (even the numbering is getting similar).
It IS a slick looking machine, although I'd like to see a proper pulpit and bowrails. Pretty, infact -- definitely more go-fast. I like it (but wouldn't trade -- except engines).
The head looks just like mine and the area aft of the console is almost the same as mine. I note that the deadrise is now 22 deg., 5" more draft and that the swamped capacity is down almost 2000 lbs. from the 26 (which is 10 inches longer). The rod storage looks more practical on the 270, but I like the 26's higher forward shear. I would guestimate that the 270 will stuff easier than the 26 (the 26 was designed expressly to add bouyancy in the bow for seaworthyness). The 270 does look like it was targeted at the Contender/SKA crowd. The Edgewaters are more bluff in the bow (still a bit more pointy that prior Outrages) than the 270.
Jimh has some pix of my 26 somewhere (if he wants to post them) for a more detailed photo comparison to see where BW are going in their designs.
lhg posted 01-15-2002 03:01 PM ET (US)
There's a press release that says "Taylor Made" Company is supplying a GLASS windshield for the center console on this boat.
jimh posted 01-15-2002 07:55 PM ET (US)
The windshield (and glass) on my 1987 Whaler 20-Revenge are TaylorMade products. The apparently have had an OEM relationship with Whaler for some time.
Ed Stone posted 01-21-2002 09:59 PM ET (US)
From what I understand there are only
a couple of prototypes of the new 27 outrage
as of now.None of our local dealers have
them yet.One will be at the Miami boat show.
Ed Stone

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Author	Topic: New Whaler Outrage 27
jbtaz	posted 01-10-2002 10:14 AM ET (US) The new 27 Outrage is out and from the pic and specs looks nice. It looks similiar to the Contender.
Ventura16	posted 01-10-2002 11:30 AM ET (US) Where did you see pictures and specs on the new Outrage? I don't see anything on Whaler's website about it. Tom
jbtaz	posted 01-10-2002 11:36 AM ET (US) under Outrage
Tom W Clark	posted 01-10-2002 11:44 AM ET (US) http://whaler.com/REC/270_outrage.htm
hauptjm	posted 01-10-2002 02:38 PM ET (US) Something weird: under Outrage, Whaler shows two 21ft. models. The 210 and the 21. The 21 appears at the very right end of the size choices , right after the 29.
lhg	posted 01-10-2002 02:39 PM ET (US) There is definitely new hull design in the wind at BW, finally! This one looks like a larger version of the new 21, which as I have commented elsewhere, looks more like a Dougherty 31 (also had a more pointed bow) hull than any Whaler designed since 1990. I think most here will like the looks of these 2 new boats. They look more like Whalers, and less like Sea Rays. Lower freeboard, nice concave curved hull lines, and the euro transom is being made less dramatic. I think Whaler Outrages are about to be re-recognized as uniquely designed, highly recognizeable boats. And I say great! But it should have a bow pulpit instead of a cheap anchor roller, and I still disagree with no high bow rail in an offshore boat. I hope their marketing research is not bad there. And commission Mills to give it all weather capability for use north of Florida, instead of little curtains around a speed killing tee top! It's weight is a dissapointment for those interested in trailering or fuel effeciency, but probably not a concern to most potential buyers, who will never trail these around. With an 8'6" beam, it's still 1000# heavier than the old 10' beam 27 Center console cuddy model, and with half of the reserve floatation. That's the high price of the 3 glass mold designs they are using these days. My guess is that this 27 is designed to replace the 26, with it's now out of date look. My guess is a new 23 or 24 is also in the works. Already they are throwing out the first series of heavy handed Outrages designed under Brunswick/Sea Ray, and moving back to Whaler's more traditional look. Would be buyers of new boats should look at them carefully. I think they will be well received, once the economy gets going again.
lhg	posted 01-10-2002 02:45 PM ET (US) Jim - They keep the old models on the website so the Dealers can get rid of leftover inventory, making it look like they're still current. Otherwise, who would buy one? I happened to see a leftover 21 displayed right next to a new "210", and the new one looks MUCH better. The new one is a smaller boat. It looks like the company has finally learned the lesson of the auto companies in 1976, that larger and larger is not better.
Ventura16	posted 01-10-2002 02:48 PM ET (US) Thanks guys, I see it now. I like the looks a lot...I think it (and the 210) are much sleeker than the 1999-2001 Outrages. I agree with Larry, I think it will be very well received. It does mention that a full bow rail is available as an option. Tom
jbtaz	posted 01-10-2002 03:07 PM ET (US) I agree that this boat looks great. I can't wait to see it in person. Apparently it's at the NY show right now. I think it will do well and hope it (and the 210) are the look of Whaler to come!
Peter	posted 01-10-2002 10:09 PM ET (US) They do have one at the NYC boat show. Didn't get a chance to climb on it but from what I did see it looked a bit like a sleeker 26, er I mean "260", Outrage. I think that it may have as much Euro transom as the 260 but its disguised better by curving the deck joint/rub rail seam gradually over a longer distance, rather than having two straight relatively lines joined at an angle near the stern. My impression was that this aesthetic detail to minimize the unattractive Euro transom (my opinion) may be at the expense of some rub rail functionality from about the leaning post back to the stern.
hauptjm	posted 01-11-2002 12:56 PM ET (US) I agree that the new 27 is a much better looking design from the photos. I'd really like to see one in person. I'm going to lobby the dealers locally to see if they can get one for the 2002 New Orleans Boat show. I find it encouraging that Brunswick may have taken notice of the state-of-affairs at Whaler, and are proactively doing something about it. Like 'em or not, Brunswick didn't develop themselves into the market position they're in by being idiots. The almighty dollar dictates that you sink or swim. Personally, I'd like to see Brunswick buy Edgewater (or wherever Dougherty is located), and bring him back in to spearhead a Whaler design team for new millennium.
Jurisproodenz	posted 01-11-2002 06:17 PM ET (US) Not to sound a discordant note, but the new 270 looks to me to be more Searay than anything I have seen BW ever do. As previously noted, nobody said that Brunswick was stupid. And they sure sell a lot of Searays. Just look at the sheer on the BW 270 and the SR 270 or 230 (even the numbering is getting similar). It IS a slick looking machine, although I'd like to see a proper pulpit and bowrails. Pretty, infact -- definitely more go-fast. I like it (but wouldn't trade -- except engines). The head looks just like mine and the area aft of the console is almost the same as mine. I note that the deadrise is now 22 deg., 5" more draft and that the swamped capacity is down almost 2000 lbs. from the 26 (which is 10 inches longer). The rod storage looks more practical on the 270, but I like the 26's higher forward shear. I would guestimate that the 270 will stuff easier than the 26 (the 26 was designed expressly to add bouyancy in the bow for seaworthyness). The 270 does look like it was targeted at the Contender/SKA crowd. The Edgewaters are more bluff in the bow (still a bit more pointy that prior Outrages) than the 270. Jimh has some pix of my 26 somewhere (if he wants to post them) for a more detailed photo comparison to see where BW are going in their designs.
lhg	posted 01-15-2002 03:01 PM ET (US) There's a press release that says "Taylor Made" Company is supplying a GLASS windshield for the center console on this boat.
jimh	posted 01-15-2002 07:55 PM ET (US) The windshield (and glass) on my 1987 Whaler 20-Revenge are TaylorMade products. The apparently have had an OEM relationship with Whaler for some time.
Ed Stone	posted 01-21-2002 09:59 PM ET (US) From what I understand there are only a couple of prototypes of the new 27 outrage as of now.None of our local dealers have them yet.One will be at the Miami boat show. Ed Stone