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kshoaps posted 07-23-2002 05:14 PM ET (US)
Saw the new 150 Sport today. Looks nice. Very solid with nice lines. Very similar to 130 but better seating and LOTS more room. One problem, though, is that the dealer flier shows a 70 hp maximum and 5 person capacity but the "yellow tag" only shows 60 hp max and 6 person capacity. The boat is heavy at 900 pounds w/o motor, etc. compared to 170 Montauk at 950 pounds and rated for 100 hp. If the Montauk can do 40-43 mph with a 90, what do the readers think the 150 will do with a 60? Another interesting point is that the 4 stroke option is the 60 hp Big Foot which seems to be ill suited according to comments suggesting the Big Foot is actually at its best on and intended for large slower moving boats. Boat with 60 hp 2 stroke, seat and bow pads, "Coast guard Safety Package", bow rail and trailer is offered "special " for $14,500. Any comments?
Bigshot posted 07-23-2002 05:23 PM ET (US)
D) All of the above.
Should do mid 30's with a 60 maybe 40 with a 70. Bigfoot is ok on a 4 stroke because you want the higher ratio and the ability to swing a bigger prop due to torque curves on a 4S. It is heavy and for $14.5 I would rather have a 170 at $18k.
Taylor posted 07-23-2002 08:09 PM ET (US)
Thats the Classic Montauk 17 that weighs 950 and is rated for 100HP. The new Montauk 170 weighs more and is (currently) rated at 90HP.
lakesidelou posted 07-29-2002 08:45 AM ET (US)
I am just now in the process of breaking in a Merc Bigfoot 60hp 4-stroke on my new BW 150 sport. With over 500# aboard which included 2 adults, 2 small dogs, 12 gallons of fuel and assorted accessories for a day on the water I made the following observation. The first time at full throttle the engine produced a speed of 30 mph. This information was provided by a Garmin 176 GPS. As I was only able to keep the engine wide open for short periods of 1 minute I was unable to adjust the trim for maximum performance nor did I get an rpm reading. I am optimistic that the boat will ultimately do in the low to mid 30"s range with the 60 bigfoot. This suits me just fine! If I had wanted a speeedboat I would not have bought a BW in the first place! The new hull rides like a dream compared to my old "88" 13' sport gls. The "Bigfoot" with its large dia. prop also makes docking and other low speed manuevering much easier as the boat is much more responsive at these lower speeds. All in all at this early stage of ownership my wife and I are very pleased! I think the dogs were too!
kshoaps posted 08-01-2002 07:59 PM ET (US)
lakesidelou--what is the lowest planing speed of your new 150 Sport
keith
PMUCCIOLO posted 08-24-2002 03:55 AM ET (US)
lakesidelou,
Do you have any updates on the performance of your 150 Sport?
VMG posted 08-24-2002 08:16 AM ET (US)
Hey Lou, are you sure it was 30 mph and not 30 kts?
tabasco posted 08-24-2002 08:49 AM ET (US)
After inspecting the new 150 Sport I feel that Whaler may be missing the boat by not offering the boat with a center console option. The sport version is nice but they could double their market by offering this option.
I also feel that they priced the boat a little to high.......price is too close to the Montauk 170, which is twice the boat.
lakesidelou posted 09-18-2002 08:46 PM ET (US)
Went fishing for the first time yesterday in the new 150 sport. The following observation was made using a Garmin 176 GPS. With over 700# on board consisting of three adults, two dogs, 12 gallons of fuel, 2 full coolers of food and beverage plus all the fishing gear necessary for a day on the water, I was able to maintain a contant cruiseing speed of 25 knots or nearly 29 mph. Lake conditions at the time were excellent with waves running 2 feet or less. I think thats a pretty respectable speed for a rig weighing in at about 1650# and powered by a 60 HP motor.
Peter posted 09-21-2002 11:21 PM ET (US)
Saw the new 150 at the boat show for the first time today. I think they had a show special with a 60 HP 2 stroke and trailer for under $14,000. Its big, with lots of room behind the rear thwart seat, and is solidly built like all Whalers. I think it will probably sell well.
But as far as general yacht quality eye appeal goes, it has absolutely none in my opinion. I looked at it from every angle and was just not inspired at all. Overall, there is just something sterile or antiseptic in the design that I just can't personally accept from Whaler. In contrast, even though the Classic 15 has been around for well over 20 years and I know its lines quite well, there is something about the design that still makes me stop and admire whenever I see one much in the same way I admire almost immediately the lines of a significantly more expensive Bluestar, Eastbay, Post or a Porsche 911 (you get the idea).
What I also can't understand is how Whaler can give this boat a maximum power rating of 60 HP (propshaft) when the Classic weighed nearly 400 pounds less and was rated for 70 HP (powerhead). Does anybody know the reason for the lesser power rating? Is it the lower aspect ratio (length to beam)? The Classic's ratio is 2.7 and the new 150 is 2.38. I've read somewhere that an ideal ratio is something like 3 to 1 and seem to recall that the formula in the regulations regarding power ratings took the aspect ratio into account with a lower rating reducing the maximum power rating. If the lower aspect ratio isn't the cause, then I think it should be rated for at least 70-75HP (Compare: the 1200lb Edgewater 155 CC is rated for 90HP, the 600lb Edgewater 140 CC is rated for 50HP, the 650lb Scout 155 Sportfish is rated for 75HP, the 800lb Sea Pro SV1500CC is rated for 70HP).
Overall, I am left with the impression that this is a defensively designed boat resulting from numerous consumer surveys and studys conducted by a large corporate marketing department rather than one designed with the aid of a naval architectual eye and a vision.

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Author	Topic: New 150 Sport
kshoaps	posted 07-23-2002 05:14 PM ET (US) Saw the new 150 Sport today. Looks nice. Very solid with nice lines. Very similar to 130 but better seating and LOTS more room. One problem, though, is that the dealer flier shows a 70 hp maximum and 5 person capacity but the "yellow tag" only shows 60 hp max and 6 person capacity. The boat is heavy at 900 pounds w/o motor, etc. compared to 170 Montauk at 950 pounds and rated for 100 hp. If the Montauk can do 40-43 mph with a 90, what do the readers think the 150 will do with a 60? Another interesting point is that the 4 stroke option is the 60 hp Big Foot which seems to be ill suited according to comments suggesting the Big Foot is actually at its best on and intended for large slower moving boats. Boat with 60 hp 2 stroke, seat and bow pads, "Coast guard Safety Package", bow rail and trailer is offered "special " for $14,500. Any comments?
Bigshot	posted 07-23-2002 05:23 PM ET (US) D) All of the above. Should do mid 30's with a 60 maybe 40 with a 70. Bigfoot is ok on a 4 stroke because you want the higher ratio and the ability to swing a bigger prop due to torque curves on a 4S. It is heavy and for $14.5 I would rather have a 170 at $18k.
Taylor	posted 07-23-2002 08:09 PM ET (US) Thats the Classic Montauk 17 that weighs 950 and is rated for 100HP. The new Montauk 170 weighs more and is (currently) rated at 90HP.
lakesidelou	posted 07-29-2002 08:45 AM ET (US) I am just now in the process of breaking in a Merc Bigfoot 60hp 4-stroke on my new BW 150 sport. With over 500# aboard which included 2 adults, 2 small dogs, 12 gallons of fuel and assorted accessories for a day on the water I made the following observation. The first time at full throttle the engine produced a speed of 30 mph. This information was provided by a Garmin 176 GPS. As I was only able to keep the engine wide open for short periods of 1 minute I was unable to adjust the trim for maximum performance nor did I get an rpm reading. I am optimistic that the boat will ultimately do in the low to mid 30"s range with the 60 bigfoot. This suits me just fine! If I had wanted a speeedboat I would not have bought a BW in the first place! The new hull rides like a dream compared to my old "88" 13' sport gls. The "Bigfoot" with its large dia. prop also makes docking and other low speed manuevering much easier as the boat is much more responsive at these lower speeds. All in all at this early stage of ownership my wife and I are very pleased! I think the dogs were too!
kshoaps	posted 08-01-2002 07:59 PM ET (US) lakesidelou--what is the lowest planing speed of your new 150 Sport keith
PMUCCIOLO	posted 08-24-2002 03:55 AM ET (US) lakesidelou, Do you have any updates on the performance of your 150 Sport?
VMG	posted 08-24-2002 08:16 AM ET (US) Hey Lou, are you sure it was 30 mph and not 30 kts?
tabasco	posted 08-24-2002 08:49 AM ET (US) After inspecting the new 150 Sport I feel that Whaler may be missing the boat by not offering the boat with a center console option. The sport version is nice but they could double their market by offering this option. I also feel that they priced the boat a little to high.......price is too close to the Montauk 170, which is twice the boat.
lakesidelou	posted 09-18-2002 08:46 PM ET (US) Went fishing for the first time yesterday in the new 150 sport. The following observation was made using a Garmin 176 GPS. With over 700# on board consisting of three adults, two dogs, 12 gallons of fuel, 2 full coolers of food and beverage plus all the fishing gear necessary for a day on the water, I was able to maintain a contant cruiseing speed of 25 knots or nearly 29 mph. Lake conditions at the time were excellent with waves running 2 feet or less. I think thats a pretty respectable speed for a rig weighing in at about 1650# and powered by a 60 HP motor.
Peter	posted 09-21-2002 11:21 PM ET (US) Saw the new 150 at the boat show for the first time today. I think they had a show special with a 60 HP 2 stroke and trailer for under $14,000. Its big, with lots of room behind the rear thwart seat, and is solidly built like all Whalers. I think it will probably sell well. But as far as general yacht quality eye appeal goes, it has absolutely none in my opinion. I looked at it from every angle and was just not inspired at all. Overall, there is just something sterile or antiseptic in the design that I just can't personally accept from Whaler. In contrast, even though the Classic 15 has been around for well over 20 years and I know its lines quite well, there is something about the design that still makes me stop and admire whenever I see one much in the same way I admire almost immediately the lines of a significantly more expensive Bluestar, Eastbay, Post or a Porsche 911 (you get the idea). What I also can't understand is how Whaler can give this boat a maximum power rating of 60 HP (propshaft) when the Classic weighed nearly 400 pounds less and was rated for 70 HP (powerhead). Does anybody know the reason for the lesser power rating? Is it the lower aspect ratio (length to beam)? The Classic's ratio is 2.7 and the new 150 is 2.38. I've read somewhere that an ideal ratio is something like 3 to 1 and seem to recall that the formula in the regulations regarding power ratings took the aspect ratio into account with a lower rating reducing the maximum power rating. If the lower aspect ratio isn't the cause, then I think it should be rated for at least 70-75HP (Compare: the 1200lb Edgewater 155 CC is rated for 90HP, the 600lb Edgewater 140 CC is rated for 50HP, the 650lb Scout 155 Sportfish is rated for 75HP, the 800lb Sea Pro SV1500CC is rated for 70HP). Overall, I am left with the impression that this is a defensively designed boat resulting from numerous consumer surveys and studys conducted by a large corporate marketing department rather than one designed with the aid of a naval architectual eye and a vision.