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newt posted 09-23-2002 08:37 AM ET (US)
My boss just ordered a 27' outrage with twin merc 225 4 strokes. He will have it for next season.
My question is, how is this combo? Too much, just right, or not enough power? Any problems with the new outrage 27'?
Any other advise? He should have a little time to refine his order if need be.
Thanks,

Bigshot posted 09-23-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)
Well I know this for sure.....It is expensive!
newt posted 09-23-2002 02:14 PM ET (US)
Yup, but not an issue.
I want to make sure they get the right setup, so when we go offshore I will be comfortable!
David Ratusnik posted 09-23-2002 06:15 PM ET (US)
newt- Pretty standard power set up for a dedicated offshore boat. Are there differences in "fishing packages" versus let's say "cruising packages?" Maybe your "boss" ought to focus on the quality of the outriggers, downriggers, baitwells, etc. I suspect it's a non-issue: all included in the whole package. David
im4bc posted 09-23-2002 07:07 PM ET (US)
The 4 strokes do not come with the smartcraft digital guages. The 4 strokes are also heavier than the optimaxes. With the additional weight of the engines it might be more difficult to get out of the hole. The optis are faster engines with less weight. New technology for merc even though yamaha makes the majority of the components inside. It is difficult to justify the increase cost of 4 strokes when you are lossing some much compared to the opti's
lhg posted 09-23-2002 07:10 PM ET (US)
I think if you want to be comfortable offshore in Massachusetts in a Florida CC fair weather boat, he had better get it over to Mills for an all weather canvas setup! To consider a tee top and a couple of curtains an all weather setup for North Atlantic boating is a fools paradise.
Since this is a heavy deep vee boat, it needs all the HP it can handle. I would order the boat with the Merc 250 EFI's instead of those clunky 600 LB 4-strokes. Word is getting around that this Yamaha engine, although faster than the Honda, is a lack-luster performer when compared to EFI 2-strokes or DFI's. It's a lot of extra money to spend, and weight to carry, to eliminate a little idle smoke. At ocean trolling speeds and above, there is literally no discernable difference in the two engine technologies, except for the low end performance advantage of the 2-stroke.
I would buy the less expensive and stronger EFI's and wait several years for the new generation of supercharged (or something) 4-strokes due soon from Mercury. I read that Whaler is testing them already. In comparison, the current heavy 4-stroke 225's will not look so good, kind of like the huge Honda 115/130 looks today.
At the center console, the gunwales of this boat are 4' above the water. Fishing boat?
newt posted 09-23-2002 09:32 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the replies. I should have mentioned that the cost is not really a factor, and I suspect that fishing will be a second priority.
With that said, I am a little surprised by the choice of an outrage, since the concept started as a ventura 21' or 22', and then very quickly it became a 27' outrage.
It appears that the concensus is to consider the 250 EFI's. Let me just ask for this clarification: Considering that cost is not the controlling factor, are the engine recomendations the same?
Thanks.
David Ratusnik posted 09-23-2002 09:54 PM ET (US)
newt- The Yamaha 225 4 stroke is a wonderful new engine. State of tech 02. My neighbor has a single 225 Yam 4 stroke on his 23' Dusky. These 4 strokes come on most big Grady Whites moving them along just fine. Like hulls, there are upsides and downsides when compared with 2 stroke DFI's. Heck, you can't even hear my neighbor's engine as he leaves to fish in the early a.m. Your boss will not be unhappy with these state of the art power plants. The resale will be just fine as well- I've never seen someone complain that the used boat came with Yamahas. .03 David
David Ratusnik posted 09-23-2002 10:18 PM ET (US)
Sorry newt, I'm going to bed, thought the boss was buying Yamahas- see they are Mercs. zzzzzzzzz David
Swellmonster posted 09-23-2002 11:25 PM ET (US)
I believe that boat is 96K, same price of a Grady, the grady w/4 strokes and the whaler w/optis.
Make sure he has a shiney trailer and warm shower, jj, lol! :D
lhg posted 09-24-2002 04:41 PM ET (US)
David - don't feel so bad. The 4-stroke Merc 225's he was referring to are totally made by Yamaha. Mercury only installs their sound hood, and paints them black.
Don't get me wrong. I have seen underway, and been in a new Whaler 270. It's kind of a slick looking boat, a refreshing change from the heavy handed look of the 26 Outrage. But it's awfully "deep" inside, very constricting to fishing type movements, with it's high sides. Does not have as much usable interior floor space as the 25 Outrage (literally, I have made the measurements). The boat is Sea Ray design through and through, even with it's "droopy" bow line.
David Ratusnik posted 09-24-2002 06:27 PM ET (US)
lhg- I feel better. Exactly, I remember reading about the Merc/Yam arrangement recently in a boating mag. Thanks. David

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Author	Topic: 27' outrage with twin merc 225 4s
newt	posted 09-23-2002 08:37 AM ET (US) My boss just ordered a 27' outrage with twin merc 225 4 strokes. He will have it for next season. My question is, how is this combo? Too much, just right, or not enough power? Any problems with the new outrage 27'? Any other advise? He should have a little time to refine his order if need be. Thanks,
Bigshot	posted 09-23-2002 01:43 PM ET (US) Well I know this for sure.....It is expensive!
newt	posted 09-23-2002 02:14 PM ET (US) Yup, but not an issue. I want to make sure they get the right setup, so when we go offshore I will be comfortable!
David Ratusnik	posted 09-23-2002 06:15 PM ET (US) newt- Pretty standard power set up for a dedicated offshore boat. Are there differences in "fishing packages" versus let's say "cruising packages?" Maybe your "boss" ought to focus on the quality of the outriggers, downriggers, baitwells, etc. I suspect it's a non-issue: all included in the whole package. David
im4bc	posted 09-23-2002 07:07 PM ET (US) The 4 strokes do not come with the smartcraft digital guages. The 4 strokes are also heavier than the optimaxes. With the additional weight of the engines it might be more difficult to get out of the hole. The optis are faster engines with less weight. New technology for merc even though yamaha makes the majority of the components inside. It is difficult to justify the increase cost of 4 strokes when you are lossing some much compared to the opti's
lhg	posted 09-23-2002 07:10 PM ET (US) I think if you want to be comfortable offshore in Massachusetts in a Florida CC fair weather boat, he had better get it over to Mills for an all weather canvas setup! To consider a tee top and a couple of curtains an all weather setup for North Atlantic boating is a fools paradise. Since this is a heavy deep vee boat, it needs all the HP it can handle. I would order the boat with the Merc 250 EFI's instead of those clunky 600 LB 4-strokes. Word is getting around that this Yamaha engine, although faster than the Honda, is a lack-luster performer when compared to EFI 2-strokes or DFI's. It's a lot of extra money to spend, and weight to carry, to eliminate a little idle smoke. At ocean trolling speeds and above, there is literally no discernable difference in the two engine technologies, except for the low end performance advantage of the 2-stroke. I would buy the less expensive and stronger EFI's and wait several years for the new generation of supercharged (or something) 4-strokes due soon from Mercury. I read that Whaler is testing them already. In comparison, the current heavy 4-stroke 225's will not look so good, kind of like the huge Honda 115/130 looks today. At the center console, the gunwales of this boat are 4' above the water. Fishing boat?
newt	posted 09-23-2002 09:32 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the replies. I should have mentioned that the cost is not really a factor, and I suspect that fishing will be a second priority. With that said, I am a little surprised by the choice of an outrage, since the concept started as a ventura 21' or 22', and then very quickly it became a 27' outrage. It appears that the concensus is to consider the 250 EFI's. Let me just ask for this clarification: Considering that cost is not the controlling factor, are the engine recomendations the same? Thanks.
David Ratusnik	posted 09-23-2002 09:54 PM ET (US) newt- The Yamaha 225 4 stroke is a wonderful new engine. State of tech 02. My neighbor has a single 225 Yam 4 stroke on his 23' Dusky. These 4 strokes come on most big Grady Whites moving them along just fine. Like hulls, there are upsides and downsides when compared with 2 stroke DFI's. Heck, you can't even hear my neighbor's engine as he leaves to fish in the early a.m. Your boss will not be unhappy with these state of the art power plants. The resale will be just fine as well- I've never seen someone complain that the used boat came with Yamahas. .03 David
David Ratusnik	posted 09-23-2002 10:18 PM ET (US) Sorry newt, I'm going to bed, thought the boss was buying Yamahas- see they are Mercs. zzzzzzzzz David
Swellmonster	posted 09-23-2002 11:25 PM ET (US) I believe that boat is 96K, same price of a Grady, the grady w/4 strokes and the whaler w/optis. Make sure he has a shiney trailer and warm shower, jj, lol! :D
lhg	posted 09-24-2002 04:41 PM ET (US) David - don't feel so bad. The 4-stroke Merc 225's he was referring to are totally made by Yamaha. Mercury only installs their sound hood, and paints them black. Don't get me wrong. I have seen underway, and been in a new Whaler 270. It's kind of a slick looking boat, a refreshing change from the heavy handed look of the 26 Outrage. But it's awfully "deep" inside, very constricting to fishing type movements, with it's high sides. Does not have as much usable interior floor space as the 25 Outrage (literally, I have made the measurements). The boat is Sea Ray design through and through, even with it's "droopy" bow line.
David Ratusnik	posted 09-24-2002 06:27 PM ET (US) lhg- I feel better. Exactly, I remember reading about the Merc/Yam arrangement recently in a boating mag. Thanks. David