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prm1177 posted 01-08-2003 09:14 PM ET (US)
I have a 99 Outrage lined up, 135 2 stroke, with fishing package; no trailer. Only 1 season on the boat, otherwise in dry storage for the rest of the time. The owner says make an offer. What's a fair offer in California?
My other choice is a new Montauk 170 with the 90 HP 4 stroke.
whalersman posted 01-08-2003 09:30 PM ET (US)
I have seen many of these boats listed for around $22k but most have been selling for around $18k with a trailer.
Trailers aren't cheap so I would guess around $15k to $16k.....
BillD posted 01-10-2003 03:40 PM ET (US)
Whalersman is in the right range for price. A shoreland r trailer will cost about 2k new. I do not know about the regional prices of whalers but I could have bought that same boat with a trailer last summer on Cape Cod listing for about 20k.
While I love the Montauk I would probably go with the 17' Outrage instead as is bigger, has an internal gas tank, and will handle rough water better (in my opinion). The Montauk is probably easier to trailer though, especially if you will be launching it by yourself.
prm1177 posted 01-10-2003 11:08 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the feedback. I've made them an offer on the Outrage(let's see what happens). The only major concern is that the boat and motor have been sitting idle for 2-3 years. Hopefully the engine was fogged properly before storage, but I expect there's at least a full service on the Merc Optimax 135 and a gas tank flushing in the cards. I will also be limited to saltwater operation with the 2 stroke as California won't permit them on the larger lakes.
I offered $16500 contingent on a motor inspection. I'll let you know what they say.
Dan posted 01-19-2003 08:14 PM ET (US)
The value or the Outrage would also depend on the electronics and condition. It's a great boat.
prm1177 posted 01-20-2003 12:34 PM ET (US)
The only electronics are a fishfider/depth sounder. No trailer. I've only seen the boat at a distance as it's been in a hi-rise storage facility for the years it's been out of the water.
Here's a question about bottom paint. The bottom was paiented in 99, but it has only been in the water a couple of times. Will the bottom paint need to be renewed?
lhg posted 01-20-2003 01:03 PM ET (US)
The 135 Mercury Optimax is the only two-stroke rated 3 star by CARB. Most 4-strokes are only rated 2 star. Since it's cleaner than most 4-strokes, I would think you could use it anywhere?
PFSQUAN posted 01-20-2003 01:21 PM ET (US)
If the bottom paint is ablative, the type that wears away like a bar of soap it may only need a light scrubbing to be ready again.
If is it a yearly or seasonal paint a fresh coat may be in order. As you say, you can't get too close to the boat because of its being in the rack. When you finally do examine it, add a fresh coat if the existing paint is cracked or flaking. It will help if you can discover what brand and type of paint is presently on the hull.
BillD posted 01-21-2003 02:11 PM ET (US)
PFSQUAN is right on.
Most traditional bottom paint is only good for 1 month out of water. After that it is no good.
If you are going to keep the bottom painted try one of the newer paints like Interlux's CSC. It wears away as you use it meaning you will not get a large amount of paint build up, but can also remain out of the water indefinantly. The interlux website is a great place for information on bottom paint.
LiquidDiet posted 01-22-2003 12:56 PM ET (US)
The 17' Outrage is a great boat, you will be much happier with it than the Montauk. This boat handles rough water better than just about any boat upto 19'. I just recently purchased my second 17' Outrage II and am about to take it over to Grand Bahama very shortly. Good luck to you
LD
prm1177 posted 01-22-2003 07:01 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the feedback. They accepted my offer, pending a mechanical inspection of the engine. Now all I have to do is get a mechanic to check it out in a reasonable time (I've been quoted as long as 3 weeks).
Since the boat is in dry storage, I'm hoping the bottom paint will suffice for occasional weekends in the water (I'm planning on dry storing the boat). If the engine checks out OK, I intend to schedule a full service before the summer season (tuneup, re-lube, etc) and to do a pre-emptive waterpump impeller replacement (1/2 the folks say it should be OK after 2 years of non-use, 1/2 say it's toast).
I'll post pictures in Cetacea when I get it.
Jimm posted 01-22-2003 07:51 PM ET (US)
Congrats 1177 on your new boat (if it passes inspection). If you are going to rack store or trailer the boat it will not need bottom paint...Jim
aubv posted 01-22-2003 08:48 PM ET (US)
prm1177,
Welcome to the club. Have them change the thermostats while doing the water pump impeller.
One thing of note, the rear seats on the boat will flip up at about 45 mph if the cushions aren't on the boat. Mine never are, we made a simple nylon strap with two snaps that mate to the exists snaps for the seat cushion. The strap goes from one snap through the small slot in the seat top and back to the other snap. I have pictures if you want. If you need any help let me know, we purchased ours new in 1995.
Best of luck.

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Author	Topic: 99 Outrage 17 vs Montauk 170
prm1177	posted 01-08-2003 09:14 PM ET (US) I have a 99 Outrage lined up, 135 2 stroke, with fishing package; no trailer. Only 1 season on the boat, otherwise in dry storage for the rest of the time. The owner says make an offer. What's a fair offer in California? My other choice is a new Montauk 170 with the 90 HP 4 stroke.
whalersman	posted 01-08-2003 09:30 PM ET (US) I have seen many of these boats listed for around $22k but most have been selling for around $18k with a trailer. Trailers aren't cheap so I would guess around $15k to $16k.....
BillD	posted 01-10-2003 03:40 PM ET (US) Whalersman is in the right range for price. A shoreland r trailer will cost about 2k new. I do not know about the regional prices of whalers but I could have bought that same boat with a trailer last summer on Cape Cod listing for about 20k. While I love the Montauk I would probably go with the 17' Outrage instead as is bigger, has an internal gas tank, and will handle rough water better (in my opinion). The Montauk is probably easier to trailer though, especially if you will be launching it by yourself.
prm1177	posted 01-10-2003 11:08 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the feedback. I've made them an offer on the Outrage(let's see what happens). The only major concern is that the boat and motor have been sitting idle for 2-3 years. Hopefully the engine was fogged properly before storage, but I expect there's at least a full service on the Merc Optimax 135 and a gas tank flushing in the cards. I will also be limited to saltwater operation with the 2 stroke as California won't permit them on the larger lakes. I offered $16500 contingent on a motor inspection. I'll let you know what they say.
Dan	posted 01-19-2003 08:14 PM ET (US) The value or the Outrage would also depend on the electronics and condition. It's a great boat.
prm1177	posted 01-20-2003 12:34 PM ET (US) The only electronics are a fishfider/depth sounder. No trailer. I've only seen the boat at a distance as it's been in a hi-rise storage facility for the years it's been out of the water. Here's a question about bottom paint. The bottom was paiented in 99, but it has only been in the water a couple of times. Will the bottom paint need to be renewed?
lhg	posted 01-20-2003 01:03 PM ET (US) The 135 Mercury Optimax is the only two-stroke rated 3 star by CARB. Most 4-strokes are only rated 2 star. Since it's cleaner than most 4-strokes, I would think you could use it anywhere?
PFSQUAN	posted 01-20-2003 01:21 PM ET (US) If the bottom paint is ablative, the type that wears away like a bar of soap it may only need a light scrubbing to be ready again. If is it a yearly or seasonal paint a fresh coat may be in order. As you say, you can't get too close to the boat because of its being in the rack. When you finally do examine it, add a fresh coat if the existing paint is cracked or flaking. It will help if you can discover what brand and type of paint is presently on the hull.
BillD	posted 01-21-2003 02:11 PM ET (US) PFSQUAN is right on. Most traditional bottom paint is only good for 1 month out of water. After that it is no good. If you are going to keep the bottom painted try one of the newer paints like Interlux's CSC. It wears away as you use it meaning you will not get a large amount of paint build up, but can also remain out of the water indefinantly. The interlux website is a great place for information on bottom paint.
LiquidDiet	posted 01-22-2003 12:56 PM ET (US) The 17' Outrage is a great boat, you will be much happier with it than the Montauk. This boat handles rough water better than just about any boat upto 19'. I just recently purchased my second 17' Outrage II and am about to take it over to Grand Bahama very shortly. Good luck to you LD
prm1177	posted 01-22-2003 07:01 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the feedback. They accepted my offer, pending a mechanical inspection of the engine. Now all I have to do is get a mechanic to check it out in a reasonable time (I've been quoted as long as 3 weeks). Since the boat is in dry storage, I'm hoping the bottom paint will suffice for occasional weekends in the water (I'm planning on dry storing the boat). If the engine checks out OK, I intend to schedule a full service before the summer season (tuneup, re-lube, etc) and to do a pre-emptive waterpump impeller replacement (1/2 the folks say it should be OK after 2 years of non-use, 1/2 say it's toast). I'll post pictures in Cetacea when I get it.
Jimm	posted 01-22-2003 07:51 PM ET (US) Congrats 1177 on your new boat (if it passes inspection). If you are going to rack store or trailer the boat it will not need bottom paint...Jim
aubv	posted 01-22-2003 08:48 PM ET (US) prm1177, Welcome to the club. Have them change the thermostats while doing the water pump impeller. One thing of note, the rear seats on the boat will flip up at about 45 mph if the cushions aren't on the boat. Mine never are, we made a simple nylon strap with two snaps that mate to the exists snaps for the seat cushion. The strap goes from one snap through the small slot in the seat top and back to the other snap. I have pictures if you want. If you need any help let me know, we purchased ours new in 1995. Best of luck.