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David Ratusnik posted 01-28-2003 06:28 PM ET (US)
I'd appreciate input on value for a friend. We've come across a clean '97 17' Outrage. Power is a 125 hp Merc EFI. Shorelander trailer with some rust in the joints. Boat has a fine t-top with vinyl,canvas plus electronics, GPS, VHF, DFinder. Quite a nice boat. Told the guy paid 26K++ for it. Don't have a clue on value for these new body styles. Thoughts on value???? Thanks David
Ventura16 posted 01-28-2003 07:51 PM ET (US)
David, there have been a number of these 17' Outrages for sale in the last year, with all sorts of different power. Most I've seen have been powered by either 135 or 150 Optimaxes...but some with Yamaha or OMC power. I think the 125 EFI would be a great choice for this hull.
They seem to sell best in the 18K-20K range. The ones that are much more than that (and there are some on boattraderonline as high as 25K) don't seem to sell...and some of the boats listed online have been for sale for more than a year. Hope that helps.
Tom
aubv posted 01-28-2003 08:24 PM ET (US)
David,
There is currently a '96 OR For Sale in The Forum Formally Known As The Market Place. Asking $14,000 with kicker. Seems under priced to me but if that's what the market will bear... I've seen them range from 14k to 25k. Someone else on CW recently made an offer of $16,500. on a 17' OR and the offer was accepted. Depends on how motivated the seller is.
Hope this helps.
aubv posted 01-28-2003 08:30 PM ET (US)
p.s. I don't think Whaler ever offered a t-top option for the '96-'99 '17 OR.
David Ratusnik posted 01-28-2003 10:04 PM ET (US)
aubv- The t-top is on the 17' OR, I looked at it again today. The t-top is a beefy one, big and broad plus rod holders. Includes nice vinyl.
I appreciate the input on value. The boat runs nicely, idles fine plus WOT is fine..
I'll get the CWave info to my friend. Thanks David
tully_mars posted 01-28-2003 10:13 PM ET (US)
Just some advice being a former Outrage 1996 owner...Make sure it is mounted to the boat correctly.
No matter how tought the T-top looks, if the screws in the deck do not reach the Whalerboard plates or are not even on the Whalerboard plates you can count the top coming loose. Been through this on my 21' Outrage, luckily the mounts were right above the Whalerboard so all I had to do was replace the 2" screws that pulled out of the glass with the 4" screws that were ment to go through the Whalerboard. 3rd party T-top manufacturers I have found do not know this. Get a wood-locating diagram and find out.
Tully Mars
dgp posted 01-28-2003 10:46 PM ET (US)
I don't think Mercury ever offered a 125 EFI outboard. I believe the smallest is the 150 EFI. Better find out for sure what's really on there.
Jerry Townsend posted 01-29-2003 02:30 PM ET (US)
David - I have a '96 17 OR with a 115 Evinrude. I'm not sure of the difference between the '96 and the '97 - but doubt that there are many, if any, differences. The 115 works well (easily gets up on plane with 4 adults yet will troll at 1.5 - 2 mph) - and I am up in the air like 5000-6000 feet. The 125 should be fine.
BW did not provide a T-top for the 17 OR. Other outfits will and have made them. Well, BW will provide one as well - for $5,000.
Mounting of the T-top is important. The deck is 1" thick and there is, if I recall correctly, a 1 - 1.5 inch gap/clearance between the bottom of the deck and the tank and hoses, et.al.
I considered making and installing a stainless T-top and planned on using stainless backing plates under the deck. This eliminates the problem with screws pulling out.
In view of the clearance under the deck around the console, I would be very hesitant of using long screws. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Jerry Townsend posted 01-29-2003 02:53 PM ET (US)
David - gotta back up a bit. Apologize - but I pulled the sketch that BW sent to me and saw one of their notes "...The deck is 1" thick, then there is 3" to the top of the fuel tank. Be sure not to drill through any hoses or wires that are lying on top of the fuel tank. ... Only the aft 2 feet mount to the deck."
Geez - I just noted a label on their sketch - "17 OUTRAGE T-TOP" - so I have to back up a bit further - as BW does provide a T-top for the 17 OR. Incidently, the sketch is dated 1/29/97.
I need to go back to bed or something. Hope that the day gets better.
Now, thinking about this thing further, the aft supports are loaded in compression and hence backing plates under the deck would not necessarily be required. However, the forward supports are loaded in tension and backing plates would certainly be suggested. ---- Jerry/Idaho
David Ratusnik posted 01-29-2003 04:49 PM ET (US)
Thanks to all. I have copied. My friend will appreciate.
I think the 125 Merc is carbed, not EFI.
Thanks David

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Author	Topic: Question on Value, '97 Outrage
David Ratusnik	posted 01-28-2003 06:28 PM ET (US) I'd appreciate input on value for a friend. We've come across a clean '97 17' Outrage. Power is a 125 hp Merc EFI. Shorelander trailer with some rust in the joints. Boat has a fine t-top with vinyl,canvas plus electronics, GPS, VHF, DFinder. Quite a nice boat. Told the guy paid 26K++ for it. Don't have a clue on value for these new body styles. Thoughts on value???? Thanks David
Ventura16	posted 01-28-2003 07:51 PM ET (US) David, there have been a number of these 17' Outrages for sale in the last year, with all sorts of different power. Most I've seen have been powered by either 135 or 150 Optimaxes...but some with Yamaha or OMC power. I think the 125 EFI would be a great choice for this hull. They seem to sell best in the 18K-20K range. The ones that are much more than that (and there are some on boattraderonline as high as 25K) don't seem to sell...and some of the boats listed online have been for sale for more than a year. Hope that helps. Tom
aubv	posted 01-28-2003 08:24 PM ET (US) David, There is currently a '96 OR For Sale in The Forum Formally Known As The Market Place. Asking $14,000 with kicker. Seems under priced to me but if that's what the market will bear... I've seen them range from 14k to 25k. Someone else on CW recently made an offer of $16,500. on a 17' OR and the offer was accepted. Depends on how motivated the seller is. Hope this helps.
aubv	posted 01-28-2003 08:30 PM ET (US) p.s. I don't think Whaler ever offered a t-top option for the '96-'99 '17 OR.
David Ratusnik	posted 01-28-2003 10:04 PM ET (US) aubv- The t-top is on the 17' OR, I looked at it again today. The t-top is a beefy one, big and broad plus rod holders. Includes nice vinyl. I appreciate the input on value. The boat runs nicely, idles fine plus WOT is fine.. I'll get the CWave info to my friend. Thanks David
tully_mars	posted 01-28-2003 10:13 PM ET (US) Just some advice being a former Outrage 1996 owner...Make sure it is mounted to the boat correctly. No matter how tought the T-top looks, if the screws in the deck do not reach the Whalerboard plates or are not even on the Whalerboard plates you can count the top coming loose. Been through this on my 21' Outrage, luckily the mounts were right above the Whalerboard so all I had to do was replace the 2" screws that pulled out of the glass with the 4" screws that were ment to go through the Whalerboard. 3rd party T-top manufacturers I have found do not know this. Get a wood-locating diagram and find out. Tully Mars
dgp	posted 01-28-2003 10:46 PM ET (US) I don't think Mercury ever offered a 125 EFI outboard. I believe the smallest is the 150 EFI. Better find out for sure what's really on there.
Jerry Townsend	posted 01-29-2003 02:30 PM ET (US) David - I have a '96 17 OR with a 115 Evinrude. I'm not sure of the difference between the '96 and the '97 - but doubt that there are many, if any, differences. The 115 works well (easily gets up on plane with 4 adults yet will troll at 1.5 - 2 mph) - and I am up in the air like 5000-6000 feet. The 125 should be fine. BW did not provide a T-top for the 17 OR. Other outfits will and have made them. Well, BW will provide one as well - for $5,000. Mounting of the T-top is important. The deck is 1" thick and there is, if I recall correctly, a 1 - 1.5 inch gap/clearance between the bottom of the deck and the tank and hoses, et.al. I considered making and installing a stainless T-top and planned on using stainless backing plates under the deck. This eliminates the problem with screws pulling out. In view of the clearance under the deck around the console, I would be very hesitant of using long screws. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Jerry Townsend	posted 01-29-2003 02:53 PM ET (US) David - gotta back up a bit. Apologize - but I pulled the sketch that BW sent to me and saw one of their notes "...The deck is 1" thick, then there is 3" to the top of the fuel tank. Be sure not to drill through any hoses or wires that are lying on top of the fuel tank. ... Only the aft 2 feet mount to the deck." Geez - I just noted a label on their sketch - "17 OUTRAGE T-TOP" - so I have to back up a bit further - as BW does provide a T-top for the 17 OR. Incidently, the sketch is dated 1/29/97. I need to go back to bed or something. Hope that the day gets better. Now, thinking about this thing further, the aft supports are loaded in compression and hence backing plates under the deck would not necessarily be required. However, the forward supports are loaded in tension and backing plates would certainly be suggested. ---- Jerry/Idaho
David Ratusnik	posted 01-29-2003 04:49 PM ET (US) Thanks to all. I have copied. My friend will appreciate. I think the 125 Merc is carbed, not EFI. Thanks David