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Jimm posted 02-23-2003 11:14 AM ET (US)
We've all talked about the 90 HP rating on the Montauk 170 ad nauseum. Most agree that BW did it to keep the price within a certain level. Now comes the all new Nantucket with a base price and base motor but it also has a list of optional horsepower motors. BW had this option available to them when they designed the 170 package so could it possibly mean that the Montauk hull is designed only to accept a 90?
tabasco posted 02-23-2003 12:37 PM ET (US)
No.........mine runs great with the 115HP EFI.....certainly not overpowered. Its the right motor for that hull.
smgrogue posted 02-23-2003 01:47 PM ET (US)
I've ultimately become pursuaded that these apparently low hp ratings are as much driven by Mercury power options and price point targets as anything else. If BW offered the 115 EFI Merc/Yammy (which I understand is still in short supply) as an option on the Montauk, then they might not be able to source enough of them to offer on the bottom end version of the Nantucket 19.
Tom W Clark posted 02-23-2003 01:51 PM ET (US)
I'm sure it was just a business decision. Using the Coast Guard formula for determining the maximum horsepower capacity, the MT 170 could qualify for as much as 145 hp!
prj posted 02-23-2003 02:14 PM ET (US)
This post from another thread, pertinent here.
Regarding the multiple mentions of lower max. HP rating for Whaler's latest popular options, the 170 and now 190 Nantucket, I had an interesting conversation with John Nelson of BW at the Milwaukee Boat Show.
He indicated that BW designed the 170 (possibly 190 also?) to hit a price point suggested by the dealers: $17 grand. As higher end product line dealers will often max out the allowable HP on their showroom models, this dictated a smaller HP max and therefore offering, than the boat might reasonably handle.
That said, I am more often surprised at how LOW a HP outboard will be put on a boat to keep the price down and with the knowledge that most boaters will upgrade the outboard to suit their needs or budgets.
In confirmation of Mr. Nelson's response to the lower HP rating, Al Howarth of Twin Cities Marine indicated that he would absolutely stock the boat with the max. HP on the capacity plate, thus blowing the dealer recommended price point.
Unfortunate that the boat is now tagged and equipped with an engine based upon the price tag and not neccessarily the boat's capabilities.
I wonder, based upon the specs, whether this same process drove the max. HP on the new Nantucket.

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Author	Topic: Montauk 170 Horse Power rating Revisited
Jimm	posted 02-23-2003 11:14 AM ET (US) We've all talked about the 90 HP rating on the Montauk 170 ad nauseum. Most agree that BW did it to keep the price within a certain level. Now comes the all new Nantucket with a base price and base motor but it also has a list of optional horsepower motors. BW had this option available to them when they designed the 170 package so could it possibly mean that the Montauk hull is designed only to accept a 90?
tabasco	posted 02-23-2003 12:37 PM ET (US) No.........mine runs great with the 115HP EFI.....certainly not overpowered. Its the right motor for that hull.
smgrogue	posted 02-23-2003 01:47 PM ET (US) I've ultimately become pursuaded that these apparently low hp ratings are as much driven by Mercury power options and price point targets as anything else. If BW offered the 115 EFI Merc/Yammy (which I understand is still in short supply) as an option on the Montauk, then they might not be able to source enough of them to offer on the bottom end version of the Nantucket 19.
Tom W Clark	posted 02-23-2003 01:51 PM ET (US) I'm sure it was just a business decision. Using the Coast Guard formula for determining the maximum horsepower capacity, the MT 170 could qualify for as much as 145 hp!
prj	posted 02-23-2003 02:14 PM ET (US) This post from another thread, pertinent here. Regarding the multiple mentions of lower max. HP rating for Whaler's latest popular options, the 170 and now 190 Nantucket, I had an interesting conversation with John Nelson of BW at the Milwaukee Boat Show. He indicated that BW designed the 170 (possibly 190 also?) to hit a price point suggested by the dealers: $17 grand. As higher end product line dealers will often max out the allowable HP on their showroom models, this dictated a smaller HP max and therefore offering, than the boat might reasonably handle. That said, I am more often surprised at how LOW a HP outboard will be put on a boat to keep the price down and with the knowledge that most boaters will upgrade the outboard to suit their needs or budgets. In confirmation of Mr. Nelson's response to the lower HP rating, Al Howarth of Twin Cities Marine indicated that he would absolutely stock the boat with the max. HP on the capacity plate, thus blowing the dealer recommended price point. Unfortunate that the boat is now tagged and equipped with an engine based upon the price tag and not neccessarily the boat's capabilities. I wonder, based upon the specs, whether this same process drove the max. HP on the new Nantucket.