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ghefty posted 02-24-2003 10:36 AM ET (US)
I'd like to hear from anyone who has installed rod holders in their montauk. I have the console mounted rod holders, but I'd like to try some trolling in my 170. What type of rod holders have you installed and which location did you choose. Rail mount? I'm also thinking about adding a rod holder on the gunnel (above the light holder) for my gaff and boat hook, any recommendations (or pictures) would be appreciated.
Thanks,
George

James posted 02-24-2003 10:50 PM ET (US)
George:
I installed a set of Birdsall rodholders across the transom mount. Good place for the net when we are running and the Boga grip.
I installed six Precision Marine rail mounted, stainless steel, adjustable rod holders on my 170. I ordered some with gimbal pins and some without. Two on the bow rail, forward of the cooler and four on the rear rails. Initially I tilted the two rear-most out for trolling but then I decided to use them in the vertical position. Frankly, I do not troll much.
The good thing about the Precision Marine rod holders is that they have a plastic clamp bracket supported by stainless plates. So you can move them around until you are happy without marking or bending the rails.
My other choice were the Lee rail mounted adjustable rod holders (chrome plated brass). The Lee's were very scarce when I went to buy and they are also very heavy. However, I would not hesitate to buy them. I believe that they were the rail mounted holders ones that BW installed in their classic New England years. The Precision rod holders are more expensive, but they are extremely well machined, strong and the metal finnish is yacht grade. Either brand is very good.
James.
Beaner posted 02-25-2003 09:16 AM ET (US)
James,
Where exactly did you mount the transom mounted rodholders? Did you mount them between the the two stern seats/steps? If so, how did you mount them?
James posted 02-25-2003 05:45 PM ET (US)
Beaner:
Check your email for pictures.
James.
Bostonsfisher posted 02-26-2003 01:00 PM ET (US)
James I'd like to see your boat pics also.
I'm picking up my Montauk this Saturday.
James posted 02-26-2003 02:47 PM ET (US)
Bostonsfisher:
Check your email.
James.
Beaner posted 02-26-2003 09:11 PM ET (US)
James,
Thanks for the pix. I was looking at a different post of yours regarding VHF antenna. Could you send me a picture of the starboard side of your console where your antenna is mounted? I also ordered some precision hardware rod holders. I think they owe you a commission! Thanks.
James posted 02-27-2003 12:14 AM ET (US)
Beaner:
Check your email. Glad to be of help. Pass it on!
James.
Beaner posted 03-09-2003 09:35 AM ET (US)
James,
I got the precision marine rod holders the other day. I weighed one and it came in at 3.5 pounds! I was surprised how heavy it was. Have you had any problems with the weight of the rod holders? Also, did you mount them on a vertical rail or a horizontal rail?
James posted 03-09-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)
I saw a pair of the zinc-coated Perko's at one of the marine stores. Then, I lifted one of the marine grade rod holders and could not believe the heavier difference. Whether you go with the chrome plated brass of the Lees or Perkos or the stainless of the Precision Hardware, the reality is that saltwater rod holders weigh more.
I believe that all my adjustable rod holders are now on the 170 horizontal handrails. Initially, when set-up for trolling, I had a pair facing away from the boat at about 75 degrees with the horizontal, and both were located in the aft section (last sloping leg) of the rails.
James.
Traveller posted 03-10-2003 06:40 AM ET (US)
James -
Most of the fishing I do involves trolling - spanish mackerel, king mackerel, etc. When you first mounted the rod holders angled out for trolling, did they stick out so far to the side that they were in the way while pulling up to a dock, or getting on/off the trailer? Thanks!
James posted 03-10-2003 09:23 PM ET (US)
Traveler:
I have the trailer rear lights raised on extension posts to keep them out of the water and also serves as a guide to help me with the launch/retrieval. I do not remember having any clearance problem with the rod holders sticking out of the boat. I did have some concerns about the rod and reel being so far out of the boat during trolling, so when I ordered additional rod holders, I ordered some without any gimbal pins. With the straight taper and no pins, the rods now drop in the holder up to the reel frame and I feel a lot more comfortable about it.
James.
ghefty posted 03-11-2003 02:58 PM ET (US)
James, thanks for your input and thanks for the photo. I've opted for the Lee's, funny I found that the Lee's were available and the Precision scarce. I installed and used them this past weekend (two grouper and a lemon shark). I am still trying to decide on the vertical holder to use on the front of the motor well. I will also install a horizontal holder on the gunnels. I've been carrying my boat hook in the bracket for the anchor light, at some point I'll want to carry both.
Thanks,
George
James posted 03-11-2003 06:10 PM ET (US)
George:
Coincidence, I just asked the dealer to install a second set of holders specifically for the boat hook, since I am going to a wet slip this year.
Lucky you! Keep the shark, but send me some fresh grouper. I still have snow in my back yard!
James.
lakeman posted 03-21-2003 08:33 AM ET (US)
Has anyone thought of or have the EASY RIGGER SMALL BOAT OUTRIGGER a simple way of getting a better spread from your small boat. They have no web site in the add in Florida Sportsman just a 850 number $99 a pair. I was wondering if they would fit into the rail mounted rod holder they are designed for the traditional gunnel rod holders. I have seen other variities of these as well.
Jimm posted 03-21-2003 10:37 AM ET (US)
I've also wanted to install additional rod holders on my Montauk 170. I went so far as to purchase the holder but when I placed it on the inboard side of the splash well (where James mounted his)I found that the cables and fuel line to the motor were substantially in the way. These hoses would hit the fishing rods and not the holders. Being that I have a bimini there's not much space to mount rod holders. I thought of the topsides just below the gunwales but poles not being used would impede fishing. Any suggestions?
James - where did you mount your second set?...Jim
James posted 03-21-2003 03:33 PM ET (US)
"James - where did you mount your second set?...Jim"
Jimm:
I have two adjustable rodholers located on the bow rail just front of the bow step. I also have four adjustable rodholders located on the side rails. All six of these Precision rod holders are basically positioned in the vertical position. The two middle rod holders are located within the bimini, but I do not remember exactly where, I moved them around until I found the best spot for me (One good thing about the Precision rod holders is that you can move them around without grooving the rail too much). I usually stick my net in the middle holders when I am drift fishing and do not remember having any specific problems. I have the Mills brothers Tall and Wide bimini. I believe that the Whaler bimini might sit lower.
For what its worth, I am installing a stainless steel horizontal fly rod holder this year to be located on the gunwale above the anchor light clamps.
I will take pictures of all these when I get the boat back from Woody in April.
James.
chaimemet posted 03-24-2003 08:27 PM ET (US)
I saw in the birdsall catalogue a ring hole plastic thingie with a cap that installs on a bimini that will allow rod tips to run above the bimini and when not in use, place the cap to retain waterproofness.

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Author	Topic: Montauk 170 - fishing machine?
ghefty	posted 02-24-2003 10:36 AM ET (US) I'd like to hear from anyone who has installed rod holders in their montauk. I have the console mounted rod holders, but I'd like to try some trolling in my 170. What type of rod holders have you installed and which location did you choose. Rail mount? I'm also thinking about adding a rod holder on the gunnel (above the light holder) for my gaff and boat hook, any recommendations (or pictures) would be appreciated. Thanks, George
James	posted 02-24-2003 10:50 PM ET (US) George: I installed a set of Birdsall rodholders across the transom mount. Good place for the net when we are running and the Boga grip. I installed six Precision Marine rail mounted, stainless steel, adjustable rod holders on my 170. I ordered some with gimbal pins and some without. Two on the bow rail, forward of the cooler and four on the rear rails. Initially I tilted the two rear-most out for trolling but then I decided to use them in the vertical position. Frankly, I do not troll much. The good thing about the Precision Marine rod holders is that they have a plastic clamp bracket supported by stainless plates. So you can move them around until you are happy without marking or bending the rails. My other choice were the Lee rail mounted adjustable rod holders (chrome plated brass). The Lee's were very scarce when I went to buy and they are also very heavy. However, I would not hesitate to buy them. I believe that they were the rail mounted holders ones that BW installed in their classic New England years. The Precision rod holders are more expensive, but they are extremely well machined, strong and the metal finnish is yacht grade. Either brand is very good. James.
Beaner	posted 02-25-2003 09:16 AM ET (US) James, Where exactly did you mount the transom mounted rodholders? Did you mount them between the the two stern seats/steps? If so, how did you mount them?
James	posted 02-25-2003 05:45 PM ET (US) Beaner: Check your email for pictures. James.
Bostonsfisher	posted 02-26-2003 01:00 PM ET (US) James I'd like to see your boat pics also. I'm picking up my Montauk this Saturday.
James	posted 02-26-2003 02:47 PM ET (US) Bostonsfisher: Check your email. James.
Beaner	posted 02-26-2003 09:11 PM ET (US) James, Thanks for the pix. I was looking at a different post of yours regarding VHF antenna. Could you send me a picture of the starboard side of your console where your antenna is mounted? I also ordered some precision hardware rod holders. I think they owe you a commission! Thanks.
James	posted 02-27-2003 12:14 AM ET (US) Beaner: Check your email. Glad to be of help. Pass it on! James.
Beaner	posted 03-09-2003 09:35 AM ET (US) James, I got the precision marine rod holders the other day. I weighed one and it came in at 3.5 pounds! I was surprised how heavy it was. Have you had any problems with the weight of the rod holders? Also, did you mount them on a vertical rail or a horizontal rail?
James	posted 03-09-2003 03:48 PM ET (US) I saw a pair of the zinc-coated Perko's at one of the marine stores. Then, I lifted one of the marine grade rod holders and could not believe the heavier difference. Whether you go with the chrome plated brass of the Lees or Perkos or the stainless of the Precision Hardware, the reality is that saltwater rod holders weigh more. I believe that all my adjustable rod holders are now on the 170 horizontal handrails. Initially, when set-up for trolling, I had a pair facing away from the boat at about 75 degrees with the horizontal, and both were located in the aft section (last sloping leg) of the rails. James.
Traveller	posted 03-10-2003 06:40 AM ET (US) James - Most of the fishing I do involves trolling - spanish mackerel, king mackerel, etc. When you first mounted the rod holders angled out for trolling, did they stick out so far to the side that they were in the way while pulling up to a dock, or getting on/off the trailer? Thanks!
James	posted 03-10-2003 09:23 PM ET (US) Traveler: I have the trailer rear lights raised on extension posts to keep them out of the water and also serves as a guide to help me with the launch/retrieval. I do not remember having any clearance problem with the rod holders sticking out of the boat. I did have some concerns about the rod and reel being so far out of the boat during trolling, so when I ordered additional rod holders, I ordered some without any gimbal pins. With the straight taper and no pins, the rods now drop in the holder up to the reel frame and I feel a lot more comfortable about it. James.
ghefty	posted 03-11-2003 02:58 PM ET (US) James, thanks for your input and thanks for the photo. I've opted for the Lee's, funny I found that the Lee's were available and the Precision scarce. I installed and used them this past weekend (two grouper and a lemon shark). I am still trying to decide on the vertical holder to use on the front of the motor well. I will also install a horizontal holder on the gunnels. I've been carrying my boat hook in the bracket for the anchor light, at some point I'll want to carry both. Thanks, George
James	posted 03-11-2003 06:10 PM ET (US) George: Coincidence, I just asked the dealer to install a second set of holders specifically for the boat hook, since I am going to a wet slip this year. Lucky you! Keep the shark, but send me some fresh grouper. I still have snow in my back yard! James.
lakeman	posted 03-21-2003 08:33 AM ET (US) Has anyone thought of or have the EASY RIGGER SMALL BOAT OUTRIGGER a simple way of getting a better spread from your small boat. They have no web site in the add in Florida Sportsman just a 850 number $99 a pair. I was wondering if they would fit into the rail mounted rod holder they are designed for the traditional gunnel rod holders. I have seen other variities of these as well.
Jimm	posted 03-21-2003 10:37 AM ET (US) I've also wanted to install additional rod holders on my Montauk 170. I went so far as to purchase the holder but when I placed it on the inboard side of the splash well (where James mounted his)I found that the cables and fuel line to the motor were substantially in the way. These hoses would hit the fishing rods and not the holders. Being that I have a bimini there's not much space to mount rod holders. I thought of the topsides just below the gunwales but poles not being used would impede fishing. Any suggestions? James - where did you mount your second set?...Jim
James	posted 03-21-2003 03:33 PM ET (US) "James - where did you mount your second set?...Jim" Jimm: I have two adjustable rodholers located on the bow rail just front of the bow step. I also have four adjustable rodholders located on the side rails. All six of these Precision rod holders are basically positioned in the vertical position. The two middle rod holders are located within the bimini, but I do not remember exactly where, I moved them around until I found the best spot for me (One good thing about the Precision rod holders is that you can move them around without grooving the rail too much). I usually stick my net in the middle holders when I am drift fishing and do not remember having any specific problems. I have the Mills brothers Tall and Wide bimini. I believe that the Whaler bimini might sit lower. For what its worth, I am installing a stainless steel horizontal fly rod holder this year to be located on the gunwale above the anchor light clamps. I will take pictures of all these when I get the boat back from Woody in April. James.
chaimemet	posted 03-24-2003 08:27 PM ET (US) I saw in the birdsall catalogue a ring hole plastic thingie with a cap that installs on a bimini that will allow rod tips to run above the bimini and when not in use, place the cap to retain waterproofness.