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dcrock posted 03-22-2003 04:05 PM ET (US)
I originally posted this in the Classic Forum but it is probably more appropriate here. My apologies.
I have been monitoring the group for about a year but this is my first post. I have a 2002 Montauk 170. This is my first boat, I have had it for one season and I love it. I am seriously considering however upgrading to a new (2002 or 2003) Outrage 210 and was wondering what the fine folks in this forum thought of the new 21 foot Outrage?
tully_mars posted 03-28-2003 12:07 AM ET (US)
Being a former Outrage 21 owner (1996) I would say hold off a little more and get a 23' or better. The 21 is a good size boat, but the 23 feels like a much bigger boat. I am enjoying my 23' Conquest and its ride much better than my 21 Outrage. Not to take anything away from the Outrage, but to move up to 21 from a 170 there just isn't enough there to justify the dollars in my opinion.
Tully Mars
leapinlunker posted 03-28-2003 04:12 PM ET (US)
Depends on your useage. For instance, we have two Whalers, one is a 94 Dauntlas 15 and the other is a 97 24 Outrage. The 24 I take back and forth from Florida to Michigan. I have contemplated selling both of them and getting a 21 for this reason. I am getting a bit older and don't really have a desire to fish or boat in foul weather so the 21 will do what my 24 does. And the 21 should be far easier to trailer.
dcrock posted 03-28-2003 08:00 PM ET (US)
Towing is an issue at the moment and for the near future. I have a '95 Pathfinder and anything more than 3500 lbs is over the rated capacity. I am in the process of beefing up the rear suspension and putting in a heavy duty clutch and maybe some horsepower mods so that I can tow something around what the 210 weighs. This would have to suffice for about two seasons. Then I will be thinking about a new truck with some real towing capacity. I would love to get a 23 Outrage especially since it would solve the twin engine dilema but even with the mods to the P'finder I just don't think I can safely tow a 23 ftr. If I actually got it to the ramp and in the water, the question then becomes would I get it out?
diveorfish posted 03-29-2003 08:04 PM ET (US)
dcrock: The 23's are really nice like tully_mars said. If tow weight is an issue, a 23 Outrage with a T-Top and twins on an adequate trailer full of gas, oil, water, ice, gear and a couple of passengers will weigh 8,000 lbs. (I know because I weighed mine once) A Pathfinder will not do that for sure.
The 210 OR is no lightweight either. The Whaler advertised hull weight of a 23 OR is 3,375 lbs. The "go fishing" weight can be 8,000 lbs. Applying the same proportion to the 210 OR: If the Whaler advertised hull weight of a 210 OR is 2,700 lbs., the "go fishing" weight could be 6,400 lbs. The proportions are probably not exact but they would be fairly close. I don't know what a Pathfinder is rated at, but can tow 6,000 lbs?
I went through all this stuff when I was getting my boat. I had a half-ton pickup rated at 8,000 lbs. that I thought would do the job. After towing my boat a few times with that half-ton, it became very clear that the half-ton really wasn't cutting it and was forced to get a 3/4-ton. If you don't have the option to get a bigger tow vehicle, be careful. Anyway, just some food for thought. Also, good luck with your boat shopping.
Royce posted 03-29-2003 09:31 PM ET (US)
dcrock- Consider a 1996-1999 Outrage 20. I have one and it is a well designed boat that handles well in bay chop or offshore. (The boat handles better with trim tabs). I downsized to a half ton Tundra a couple of years ago and it tows it just fine. Boat and trailer weigh about 5,000 lbs. I recently bought a 25 ft. Outrage Cuddy that I don't think I will be able to tow safely with the Tundra. I am looking at the new Ford 6.0 Deisel with the matching 5 spd. auto. A new larger boat can get very expensive! I am not selling my 20 Outrage, but there was one on Ebay about 10 days ago that did not sell. There are also a few on BoatTraderonline.com.
A friend of mine has the 210 Outrage and I prefer the 20 Outrage.
Royce

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Author	Topic: Thoughts on Outrage 210
dcrock	posted 03-22-2003 04:05 PM ET (US) I originally posted this in the Classic Forum but it is probably more appropriate here. My apologies. I have been monitoring the group for about a year but this is my first post. I have a 2002 Montauk 170. This is my first boat, I have had it for one season and I love it. I am seriously considering however upgrading to a new (2002 or 2003) Outrage 210 and was wondering what the fine folks in this forum thought of the new 21 foot Outrage?
tully_mars	posted 03-28-2003 12:07 AM ET (US) Being a former Outrage 21 owner (1996) I would say hold off a little more and get a 23' or better. The 21 is a good size boat, but the 23 feels like a much bigger boat. I am enjoying my 23' Conquest and its ride much better than my 21 Outrage. Not to take anything away from the Outrage, but to move up to 21 from a 170 there just isn't enough there to justify the dollars in my opinion. Tully Mars
leapinlunker	posted 03-28-2003 04:12 PM ET (US) Depends on your useage. For instance, we have two Whalers, one is a 94 Dauntlas 15 and the other is a 97 24 Outrage. The 24 I take back and forth from Florida to Michigan. I have contemplated selling both of them and getting a 21 for this reason. I am getting a bit older and don't really have a desire to fish or boat in foul weather so the 21 will do what my 24 does. And the 21 should be far easier to trailer.
dcrock	posted 03-28-2003 08:00 PM ET (US) Towing is an issue at the moment and for the near future. I have a '95 Pathfinder and anything more than 3500 lbs is over the rated capacity. I am in the process of beefing up the rear suspension and putting in a heavy duty clutch and maybe some horsepower mods so that I can tow something around what the 210 weighs. This would have to suffice for about two seasons. Then I will be thinking about a new truck with some real towing capacity. I would love to get a 23 Outrage especially since it would solve the twin engine dilema but even with the mods to the P'finder I just don't think I can safely tow a 23 ftr. If I actually got it to the ramp and in the water, the question then becomes would I get it out?
diveorfish	posted 03-29-2003 08:04 PM ET (US) dcrock: The 23's are really nice like tully_mars said. If tow weight is an issue, a 23 Outrage with a T-Top and twins on an adequate trailer full of gas, oil, water, ice, gear and a couple of passengers will weigh 8,000 lbs. (I know because I weighed mine once) A Pathfinder will not do that for sure. The 210 OR is no lightweight either. The Whaler advertised hull weight of a 23 OR is 3,375 lbs. The "go fishing" weight can be 8,000 lbs. Applying the same proportion to the 210 OR: If the Whaler advertised hull weight of a 210 OR is 2,700 lbs., the "go fishing" weight could be 6,400 lbs. The proportions are probably not exact but they would be fairly close. I don't know what a Pathfinder is rated at, but can tow 6,000 lbs? I went through all this stuff when I was getting my boat. I had a half-ton pickup rated at 8,000 lbs. that I thought would do the job. After towing my boat a few times with that half-ton, it became very clear that the half-ton really wasn't cutting it and was forced to get a 3/4-ton. If you don't have the option to get a bigger tow vehicle, be careful. Anyway, just some food for thought. Also, good luck with your boat shopping.
Royce	posted 03-29-2003 09:31 PM ET (US) dcrock- Consider a 1996-1999 Outrage 20. I have one and it is a well designed boat that handles well in bay chop or offshore. (The boat handles better with trim tabs). I downsized to a half ton Tundra a couple of years ago and it tows it just fine. Boat and trailer weigh about 5,000 lbs. I recently bought a 25 ft. Outrage Cuddy that I don't think I will be able to tow safely with the Tundra. I am looking at the new Ford 6.0 Deisel with the matching 5 spd. auto. A new larger boat can get very expensive! I am not selling my 20 Outrage, but there was one on Ebay about 10 days ago that did not sell. There are also a few on BoatTraderonline.com. A friend of mine has the 210 Outrage and I prefer the 20 Outrage. Royce