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Maximus posted 07-22-2003 12:06 PM ET (US)   Profile for Maximus   Send Email to Maximus  
I am picking up my 2003 loaded 170 Montauk this week and I have the following questions:

Stern cleats...the boat appears to only have the one 8 inch bow cleat. Other than the two ski eyes on the transom, is there any other place to tie a line for docking?

How much storage is there in the console? Enough for seven life jackets, tools, etc...?

My dealer says the 90HP 4stroke come with a aluminum prop, was this a change from 2002 when stainless was standard for the 4stroke?

I'm sure the dealer will go over this, but how long is the break in period with the 4stroke and what do you have to do?

Has anyone done a true GPS fuel economy study...my old Johnson 90 2stroke got about 3.5 mph. I expect much more from the 4stroke

VHF radio installation...I like how Tabasco mounted his radio, about knee high, but I did not see how he mounted the antenna. I was planning on coming out the starboard side of the console with a nylon 90 surface mount bracket with a 3 foot 5241R Shakespere antenna. Is it possible to split the antenna line for dual use AMFM/VHF?

AM/FM radio installation...Tabasco has his mounted just above the cup holders, the dealer tells me the wiring harness is directly behind this area and painfull to move.

Gas Tanks...Nauset Marine wants $595 for a 24 gallon Pate tank, Russo's doesn't even offer it. I was considering using two 13 gallon Tempo tanks. If I use the twin 13's, can I use the existing tie-down hardware and do i have to move the the mounting locations of the tie down hardware? If you do have to move it, what do you fill the old holes with?

Does Pate have a website?

Does the hull come from the factory waxed? Do I need to wax the hull, what do I use?

The boat will be used in salt water (Nantucket Sound) and be stored in indoor rack storage. I do not plan on painting the hull.

Thanks

Barney posted 07-22-2003 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Maximus, Here are the things I know about.1) It seems the four strokes are being shipped with aluminum props. But, I know for sure the factory will send the proper stainless prop to the dealer at no additional cost. You are paying for it. The catalog says the engine comes with a stainless also. The dealer will need to call his Whaler rep to have it shipped. I did just that for mine. 2) To mount the 13 gallons tank you will have to move at least the two outside ones further out.

Also look around in this forum before you do any mods. You will save $$$$. B....

Barney posted 07-22-2003 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Make that: To mount the 13 gallon tanks you will have to move at least the two outside hold downs further out. Good luck. You will enjoy the boat. B...
jaccoserv posted 07-22-2003 01:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
Being that you'll be doing your boating in Nantucket sound, I'm assuming you're buying from Nauset, if that's your case, tell them that you want your stereo mounted like Jeff Camuso's 170, I had them install my stereo and four speakers per Tabasco's photos, no problem. I'll tell you what, Nauset did an extremely clean, perfect job on the electronics(stereo, depth).

Have fun.

Maximus posted 07-22-2003 01:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
I am buying the boat from Russo's. Nauset only had 2004 models which are close to $2000 more with no real improvements.

Barney,

What did you fill the holes when you moved the mounting hardware?

Barney posted 07-22-2003 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, Sorry I used 3M 5200. As I learned from the guys in the know here at the Forum go to Bass Pro web site on the 13 gallon Tempo tanks, someone got a price match at West Marine though. B...
Barney posted 07-22-2003 01:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Three last things.1) Seal the screws also. 2) You may have to show the saleman how to crank the 4 stroke. Look at the manual as jimh says. Make sure the engine is primed. There is recent info on that here, move the bulb vertically to get it to firm up. Do not advance the idle per the manual. If you have fuel it will fire right up. B...
Barney posted 07-22-2003 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
I should proof read. The manual says don't advance the idle. B..
Maximus posted 07-22-2003 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Was planning on using 5200 to fill the holes, just wondering how neurotic to be about a blemish in the new gel coat.

They are telling me now that the bimini may or may not be in. I think I may cancel the bimini order and buy a Mills top later.

Barney posted 07-22-2003 06:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, From reading what the other guys have said you can't go wrong with Mills. My dealer had a factory blue top in stock which I got. It doesn't look anything like Tabasco's. It will store to the rear all the way down or on it's forward posts. There is a lot of detail in the top design. I am happy with it. B...
Jimm posted 07-23-2003 12:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
"....Stern cleats...the boat appears to only have the one 8 inch bow cleat. Other than the two ski eyes on the transom, is there any other place to tie a line for docking?"...

You can mount cleats on the rear gunnels; there is wood there. A copy of the wood in your boat will come with it. Evidently the 2004s come with the cleats. Check and see where they are mounted.


"....How much storage is there in the console? Enough for seven life jackets, tools, ...."

I get two PFDs, two throw cushions, tools, spare prop and a few fishing goodies in my console. Seven will be pushing it. I'm changing my front 72 quart cooler to a 94 for more storage space.

Maximus posted 07-23-2003 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Barney,

Can you email me pictures of your 13 Gallon external fuel tank install?

It's the Tempo 14.5x20x14 13 gallone tank, correct? Tempo makes two 13 gallon styles.

West Marine will supposedly pricematch Bass Pro, so I will be picking them up tommorrow.

thanks,

minimus25@hotmail.com

Barney posted 07-23-2003 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, I don't have a digital camera. But the tanks are Part No. 630012 Model No. Ultra PBW. You may already know this, to get these tanks under you will also need low profile gas caps, 2 1/8" . I bought them in the lawn mower section of Home Depot. 4Whalers has a warning and more advice in here somewhere not to far back about how to install the connectors at the tanks. Also things will be real tight vertically until you fill the tanks up. It makes a difference. The tanks will stick out some and you will need longer straps. West has the straps in the sailing section. Bungies give some and the tanks slide. B...
Barney posted 07-23-2003 10:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, here is the additional info :http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000819.html. Did the dealer work out the stainless prop issue? B...
jimh posted 07-23-2003 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The 2003 Boston Whaler catalogue indicates the 90-HP ELPT Mercury Four Stroke engine comes with a stainless steel propeller as part of that option. I'd ask for my stainless steel propeller. I'd also ask to keep the aluminum one as a spare at no charge as a courtesy for your troubles.

Barney posted 07-23-2003 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
There is a pattern here on the 4 stroke props. B...
Maximus posted 07-23-2003 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
You are correct about the 2003 catalogue and the SS prop. The dealer is going to have to work something out with me. I also checked the Stock list for the boat, no specifics about the prop. This should be interesting.

I pick up the boat tommorrow evening.

Barney posted 07-24-2003 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
More info on prop:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/000796.html

B....

Maximus posted 07-24-2003 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Picked up the boat this evening...stainless steel prop and all.

I did have an issue, though. The motor seemed to clunk a little too much in and out of gear. The dealer assured me that this was normal and even started another 4stroke to show me. The mechanic did adjust the shift linkage and it seemed to make the clunk less noticable. Has anyone else seen this with the Mercury 90HP 4strokes?

Otherwise, I am very happy. Trailered home great.

Barney posted 07-24-2003 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Great! Max, I don't know about the clunk. Mine does it some. But I went from a sterndrive to outboard so it seems better to me. I'm sure someone here has some input. B...
osillator posted 07-25-2003 12:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for osillator  Send Email to osillator     
Max,

I mounted a stainless ratchting antenna mount just above the floor on the side of the console and just ahead of the fire ex. pocket. I have an 8 foot whip on it and it folds down onto the bow cushion for towing.

THIS IS A PERFECT LOCATION GUYS!!

NO it does not get in the way of the console cover when it is collapsed down.

I used a Shakespeare splitter to feed it to the AM FM radio and the VHF radio. Both have incredible reception.

SuburbanBoy posted 07-25-2003 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for SuburbanBoy  Send Email to SuburbanBoy     
It is not unusual for a stainless prop to cause more clunking going from neutral to forward or reverse. The stainless prop has more mass than the aluminum prop. This has been discussed here before. You might find it with a quick search. My Tohatsu 70hp clunks more with my stainless (four blade) than with the OEM three blade aluminum.

Good luck with the new rig.

sub

JohnJ80 posted 07-25-2003 11:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for JohnJ80  Send Email to JohnJ80     
i changed the prop on my 2003 evinrude from Al to SS and it 'clunks' more than it did with the Al prop. this is normal.

the SS prop weighs more.

j

Maximus posted 07-26-2003 09:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Took the new boat out in the Sound this afternoon. Ran fine, but it was blowing a bit. Ride was much improved over my old 17 footer.

Two issues came up. My volt gauge has some condensation in it and the throttle friction needs to be adjusted. The throttle would back off slowly if left alone.

I hit 42 mph in the speed zone, three people full gas, and gear.

Barney posted 07-27-2003 07:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, I've go the same issues. Otherwise 38 MPH with top up. B...
Jimm posted 07-27-2003 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
Too fast; to soon!
jaccoserv posted 07-27-2003 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for jaccoserv  Send Email to jaccoserv     
I have the same problem with the throttle, can this be fixed?
Maximus posted 07-27-2003 07:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
It's not too fast too soon. The Mercury owners manual states the following:

First hour: no more than 3500 RPM, vary throttle
Second hour: no more than 4500 RPM, vary throttle
Next 10 hours: Vary throttle otherwise no restrictions

I had put about four hours on the motor prior to WOT.

Fuel consumption is great. I may have burn ~3-4 gallons so far.

Anyway, boat goes back to the dealer this week for the sun top installation. I will also have them change out the voltage gauge (condensation) and see what they can do about the throttle slippage. The owner's manual showed a friction adjustment for the control.

This week should be fun. I will be installing the VHF, antenna, hour meter, and the two 13 gallon Tempo tanks.

I bought the Standard Horizon Eclipse+ with a 3 foot shakespere whip. I plan on using a SS railing clamp to mount the antenna with a SS gromet for the cable. I am going to flush mount the radio below the control. I read the earlier postings about cutting through the console, plan on using my dremel tool.

I plan on mounting a TeleflexMorse hour meter somewhere tucked under the console. I studied the wiring diagrams provided but did not see a dedicated line off the switch. I think I read that the purple wire off the ignition switch is the one to use. Can anyone confirm this?

This boat really trailers nice and recovery is very easy.

Maximus posted 07-27-2003 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
I almost forgot. I also plan on mounting two 8 inch cleats on the gunnels towards the rear. I am waiting for the sun top to be installed so that they do not interfere.

Is the the 'wood' diagram that came with the boat really a wood diagram or is it a whalerboard diagram? I plan on using 1 1/4 inch #12 oval heads to secure the cleats. Anyone done this yet?

Holy Cow posted 07-27-2003 08:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Holy Cow  Send Email to Holy Cow     
Maximus... How long does it take to go from Menemsha, Martha's Vineyard to the Nantucket Island??? Planning on doing it! I have gone from Montauk to Block Island. It is 20 miles! Thanks Dan and Bet. Kim's Revenge
Maximus posted 07-27-2003 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Holy Cow, I can't help you with the trip because I've never done it. MV is very far from Bass River - over thirty miles.

Nantucket is 24 miles due south from the mouth of the river. I made the trip twice with my old 17 footer.

Jimm posted 07-27-2003 09:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
The wood diagram differentiates wood ("Ply") from "phenolic".
sweetdreams posted 07-31-2003 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for sweetdreams  Send Email to sweetdreams     
The throttle problem is an easy one to fix. I had to call mercury to find the adjustment "bolt" because it was refered to as a "screw" in the manual. Once you know it is a bolt to be tightned it is not hard to find. Take the shifter apart and pull it out of the console. The bolt to be tightned is just under the throttle. Read the manual just be looking for a bolt not a screw. You can make it as tight as you want.
sweetdreams posted 07-31-2003 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for sweetdreams  Send Email to sweetdreams     
Maximus, if it's not too late cancel the order on the biminy top and order from Mills. This was the advice tabasco gave when I was ordering my 2003 montauk and I wish I had followed it. The biminy top from BW can't be stored forward or back without scratching up the gelcoat. I have to store it lying on the reverse pilot seat while trailering and then lift and move it to the correct place during use. Unless you have a very large wing span it is difficult to do without two people, not to mention a pain in the a___.
Barney posted 07-31-2003 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
The factory bimini has been improved much and is different from the early ones. Lots of vibration and marring reduction add ons with forward posts to store to. Still not a Mills but I am happy with mine. I had read Tabasco's comments prior to looking at the top. The one I have was at the dealer which was helpful and he wanted it gone which was even more helpful dollar wise. B...
Maximus posted 07-31-2003 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Dealer stated the canvas was coming from Mills.
Barney posted 07-31-2003 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Is Mills factory source now or is it a special order? B..
jimh posted 08-03-2003 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
As far as I know (not very far, by the way) the factory canvas comes from a vendor in Tennessee who also supplies Sea Ray and perhaps other Brunswick Boat Division customers.

An individual dealer may have a relationship with Wm. J. Mills & Co. to sell their canvas.

Generally you can easily identify the Mills product by the sewn in silk label, which has about the same (excellent) longevity as the sunbrella fabric they use.

There was some recent discussion of this topic contained in the thread below to which I provide a clickable hyperlink:

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000306.html

Barney posted 08-03-2003 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
I've got the Tennesse company's canvas, "Great Lakes Canvas" or something like that. It doesn't come ready made for other canvas attachment, there are no zippers or snaps. It is well made to me, but I'm used to the aftermarket kind.
Thanks Jim B.
Maximus posted 08-03-2003 04:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Well, here's the story on the canvas...:(

Russo's was unable to get a canvas from Mills. Yes, the deal directly with Mills. I was promised that the top would be in on Tuesday, reassured again that the Thursday, and finally told on Friday morning that they didn't have the top and could not promise me a date. All the while they held my boat. As a matter of closing the boat deal, they told me the top would be one week later than the boat pick up date.

This experience with Russo's left a bad taste in my mouth. They should have told me originally that they didn't have the top yet. Anyways, I have the boat back, but without a top. Let this be a caveat for those looking to purchase from Russo's Marine.

I plan on ordering directly from Mills and will probably get the dodger as well. I will do the install myself.

Russo's also gave me a hard time about the fogged gauges. They claimed that this was 'normal'. Finally, after a confrontation, they swapped the fogged voltage gauge with a good one from the show Montauk.

I did a bunch of upgrades...two 13 gallon Tempo tanks, VHF radio and antenna install, hour meter, and two rear cleats. I will try to post some pics this PM if it stops raining.

Maximus posted 08-03-2003 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
http://users.rcn.com/rcarita/
Barney posted 08-03-2003 05:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, Great pictures. Jim B.
Barney posted 08-03-2003 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, Would please give me some details on the cleats and screws for the cleats. What size cleat and screw,
Thanks Jim B
Maximus posted 08-03-2003 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
Barney,

I used 8 inch 'yacht' cleats available at West Marine (~$18 each) with #12 x 1 1/4 SS Oval head screws. After some experimenting, a 7/32 drill is the right size...maybe a bit tight, though. You may have to a bit of reaming with the drill after the hole is complete.

These cleats are identical style to the bow cleat except for the gauge. They are slightly thinner.

I still can't believe this boat came without these standard.

A comment and question for the crew...

On a 2.5 hour cruise of Boston Harbor I burned 5.8 gallons...4.25 MPH from 4stroke.

What kind of wood is embedded in the hull...oak, maple, etc?

Jimm posted 08-03-2003 09:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm    
The ntype of wood is "ply".
Barney posted 08-03-2003 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barney  Send Email to Barney     
Max, Thanks for the cleat information. I've averaged 4.5 MPG on one trip at 42 miles and 6.5 MPG on another at 50 miles. The MPG seems to be quite a bit better at 3500 RPM vs 4000 RPM. But, the 4 Stroke wants to run at 4000 RPM in smooth water. Thanks again for those pictures. Jim B.
JD Montauk posted 08-11-2003 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for JD Montauk  Send Email to JD Montauk     
Max,

I've recently purchased a 2003 Montuak with the 4 stroke. I want to do the rear cleats too and I ordered two from my BW dealer today, $21 each and they are identical to the front one. I actually emailed Boston Whaler directly and asked them what to do about the cleat issue. They told me to order two cleats, part number 1027010 from the local whaler dealer and I also ordered the screws. The screws are machine screws and Whaler told me to drill and tap the phenolic blocks just behind the railing as you did. I may look into the tanks too, that looks like a mod that's easy to do without changing much. I love my Montauk... If you don't mind me asking, how much did the vhf radio set you back? This has been a very informative thread and I found it by doing a search, thanks.

Later,

David

Maximus posted 08-12-2003 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Maximus  Send Email to Maximus     
the radio is a Standard Horizon Eclipse+ and the antenna is a Shakespere 5471R 3 foot stainless steel whip.

Radio was ~$150
Antenna was ~$50
SS Antennae mount ~$30
SS grommet ~$3
Bus Bar ~$10
Tinned Marine Wire (I had this left over)
Various marine crimp ends...spades, ringlets (I also had these)

So far I have had no problems. I really like having had wired it through the ACC switch, no bending over to turn on the radio...

Basically, I just energized a bus bar with the ACC switch so future upgrades will be controlled the same way.

I also used my dremel tool to cut through the console. Mask with tape prior to cutting and go slow.

jimh posted 12-10-2003 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
This is an old thread brought to the top inadvertently.

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