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Goosedog posted 09-02-2003 02:51 PM ET (US)
Thanks to the great pics and discussions here, I gave up the ghost on an '81 Outrage resto and bought '04 170 4-stroke. Sweet. First off, does anyone have any experience with a Garmin 188C? Does it have an external antenna? How about operation/distortion mounted near (both starboard console) a 3' whip VHF antenna? Thanks in advance. More questions will follow.
JohnJ80 posted 09-02-2003 03:18 PM ET (US)
There should be no problem wtih a GPS antenna mounted anywhere as long as it has a clear view to the sky and reasonably clear view to the horizons. For example, (to be ridiculous, if you mounted it in the bottom of a coffee can, you would still be able to get it to work, but the satellite coverage would be tough for 3D or the best reception.
If your 188 doesn't have an external antenna, I'm sure you can add one if you want.
For VHF antenna's mounting them as high up as you can get them is the ticket. Antenna placement is usually more important than power in getting distance and reception quality. Mount it to the highest part of our boat.
Good luck and congrats with your new toy!
j
ghefty posted 09-02-2003 03:42 PM ET (US)
I'm very pleased with my Garmin 188C. I had the dealer install it last December when I picked up my M170. I had planned on using a rail mount for the antenna, but the dealer talked me into flush mounting the antenna on the console. I have not had any problems with reception or gps coverage.
One thing to look for is Garmin has several packaging options for the unit where they vary what is included in the box. I bought mine from Boaters World and it included an external gps antenna and a transom mounted transducer with temperature sensor. West Marine wanted an extra $149 for the temperature sensing transducer.
Best wishes on the new boat.
George
Goosedog posted 09-02-2003 03:49 PM ET (US)
George, I notice on your boat pics you mentioned maybe moving the GPS antenna. Still thinking about moving? If so, where? I would like to mount a VHF similar to Maximus (pics in a prior thread - "170 Montauk Questions"). Thanks.
ghefty posted 09-02-2003 04:41 PM ET (US)
Although the flush mounting provides good gps coverage, I lost the console space where I would likely put what ever is in my hand at the moment (keys, cel phone, sunscreen, etc.) This may be a good thing, as some items may adversely affect the compass, and should likely be stowed safely away so as not to bounce around.
I've toyed with the idea of moving the gps antenna to the console grab rails (a la tabasco's setup) where I will be installing the VHF antenna on a ratcheting rail mount. I will likely choose the 4' from www.digitalantenna.com and combine it with the Standard Horison Eclipse+ flush mounted on the surface below the binacle.
I've been doing a lot of fishing 10-15 miles offshore, that is why I'm looking to mount the antenna as high as possible.
Regards,
George
Moe posted 09-02-2003 10:31 PM ET (US)
If I might piggyback a 188C question here...
The 188 manual says the C is 6.2" wide, but does that include the mount (and the thumbscrews)?
Specifically, I'd like to get the base dimensions of the mount where it sits on the console (not including the thumbscrews), if one of you guys don't mind measuring it for me. The electronics platform on the 150 is only about 6.25" wide and the 188 will have to be mounted at an angle facing the operator.
Thanks,
--
Moe
ghefty posted 09-03-2003 07:39 AM ET (US)
Moe,
I'll try to remember to measure the width when I get to the boat this weekend. In the meantime if you want to see how my 188c is installed here is a link to some pictures of my boat www.caico.com/170
George
Moe posted 09-03-2003 08:47 AM ET (US)
Thanks, George. I SURE wish the 150 had a big, FLAT dash top all the way across like that for mounting things!
--
Moe
Maximus posted 09-03-2003 01:43 PM ET (US)
I hope you saw how I mounted my antenna. No complaints yet. Reception/transmit has not been a problem. On radio check got a loud and clear from Lynn Harbor to Salem (~10 miles).
Unrelated to the topic at hand...
ghefty,
who did the bimini installation? I just finished the install on my Mills top and it too uses sliders. However, I mounted the sliders inside rather than outside. This allows the top to fold neatly down foward or aft inside of the railing.
ghefty posted 09-03-2003 05:15 PM ET (US)
Maximus,
The dealer installed the bimini, it was obtained from a local canvas shop. Aluminum frame and slide mounted on the outside of the rails (NOT Mills quality). I usually have it laying on top of the bowrail, secured with bungees. Another option is to slide it forward to clear the forward part of the bowrail then slide it back and tuck it under the front rail laying flat on the top of the bow between the cleat and light. Although this does get in the way of using the cleat. Since the frame is attached using quick release pins most of the time I leave it at home. I never use the top when I'm out fishing, only when diving or just cruising with the wife.
George
Gep posted 09-05-2003 09:37 AM ET (US)
Goosedog,
What did you do with the '81 Outrage?
Mike
Goosedog posted 09-05-2003 10:26 AM ET (US)
Sorry Gep, I can see my prior post on the Outrage was unclear. It was yet to be purchased.
prj posted 09-05-2003 02:24 PM ET (US)
Hmmm, wonder if Mike is thinking about another resto,
what with the skills and experience established...
ghefty posted 09-08-2003 08:12 AM ET (US)
Moe,
I measured the footprint of the 188C this weekend, left to right 8" front to back 6.5"
I finally installed the VHF this weekend; Standard Horizon Eclpise+ with a 4' Digital antenna mounted on the center support of the console grabrail. I will post pictures at www.caico.com/170
I'm sure that this has been mentioned here before, but the local marine store didn't have a flush mounting kit in stock. So I cut the gimbal mount in half, measured the required distance from the inside of the console to the screw holes, drilled new holes in the gimbal mount and made my own flush mount kit. Just to keep it tight, I added a small touch of 5200 to the inside of the cut base, now the radio can be removed by undoing the gimbal screws.
Moe posted 09-08-2003 08:41 AM ET (US)
Thanks, George!
--
Moe

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Author	Topic: Deal closed yesterday
Goosedog	posted 09-02-2003 02:51 PM ET (US) Thanks to the great pics and discussions here, I gave up the ghost on an '81 Outrage resto and bought '04 170 4-stroke. Sweet. First off, does anyone have any experience with a Garmin 188C? Does it have an external antenna? How about operation/distortion mounted near (both starboard console) a 3' whip VHF antenna? Thanks in advance. More questions will follow.
JohnJ80	posted 09-02-2003 03:18 PM ET (US) There should be no problem wtih a GPS antenna mounted anywhere as long as it has a clear view to the sky and reasonably clear view to the horizons. For example, (to be ridiculous, if you mounted it in the bottom of a coffee can, you would still be able to get it to work, but the satellite coverage would be tough for 3D or the best reception. If your 188 doesn't have an external antenna, I'm sure you can add one if you want. For VHF antenna's mounting them as high up as you can get them is the ticket. Antenna placement is usually more important than power in getting distance and reception quality. Mount it to the highest part of our boat. Good luck and congrats with your new toy! j
ghefty	posted 09-02-2003 03:42 PM ET (US) I'm very pleased with my Garmin 188C. I had the dealer install it last December when I picked up my M170. I had planned on using a rail mount for the antenna, but the dealer talked me into flush mounting the antenna on the console. I have not had any problems with reception or gps coverage. One thing to look for is Garmin has several packaging options for the unit where they vary what is included in the box. I bought mine from Boaters World and it included an external gps antenna and a transom mounted transducer with temperature sensor. West Marine wanted an extra $149 for the temperature sensing transducer. Best wishes on the new boat. George
Goosedog	posted 09-02-2003 03:49 PM ET (US) George, I notice on your boat pics you mentioned maybe moving the GPS antenna. Still thinking about moving? If so, where? I would like to mount a VHF similar to Maximus (pics in a prior thread - "170 Montauk Questions"). Thanks.
ghefty	posted 09-02-2003 04:41 PM ET (US) Although the flush mounting provides good gps coverage, I lost the console space where I would likely put what ever is in my hand at the moment (keys, cel phone, sunscreen, etc.) This may be a good thing, as some items may adversely affect the compass, and should likely be stowed safely away so as not to bounce around. I've toyed with the idea of moving the gps antenna to the console grab rails (a la tabasco's setup) where I will be installing the VHF antenna on a ratcheting rail mount. I will likely choose the 4' from www.digitalantenna.com and combine it with the Standard Horison Eclipse+ flush mounted on the surface below the binacle. I've been doing a lot of fishing 10-15 miles offshore, that is why I'm looking to mount the antenna as high as possible. Regards, George
Moe	posted 09-02-2003 10:31 PM ET (US) If I might piggyback a 188C question here... The 188 manual says the C is 6.2" wide, but does that include the mount (and the thumbscrews)? Specifically, I'd like to get the base dimensions of the mount where it sits on the console (not including the thumbscrews), if one of you guys don't mind measuring it for me. The electronics platform on the 150 is only about 6.25" wide and the 188 will have to be mounted at an angle facing the operator. Thanks, -- Moe
ghefty	posted 09-03-2003 07:39 AM ET (US) Moe, I'll try to remember to measure the width when I get to the boat this weekend. In the meantime if you want to see how my 188c is installed here is a link to some pictures of my boat www.caico.com/170 George
Moe	posted 09-03-2003 08:47 AM ET (US) Thanks, George. I SURE wish the 150 had a big, FLAT dash top all the way across like that for mounting things! -- Moe
Maximus	posted 09-03-2003 01:43 PM ET (US) I hope you saw how I mounted my antenna. No complaints yet. Reception/transmit has not been a problem. On radio check got a loud and clear from Lynn Harbor to Salem (~10 miles). Unrelated to the topic at hand... ghefty, who did the bimini installation? I just finished the install on my Mills top and it too uses sliders. However, I mounted the sliders inside rather than outside. This allows the top to fold neatly down foward or aft inside of the railing.
ghefty	posted 09-03-2003 05:15 PM ET (US) Maximus, The dealer installed the bimini, it was obtained from a local canvas shop. Aluminum frame and slide mounted on the outside of the rails (NOT Mills quality). I usually have it laying on top of the bowrail, secured with bungees. Another option is to slide it forward to clear the forward part of the bowrail then slide it back and tuck it under the front rail laying flat on the top of the bow between the cleat and light. Although this does get in the way of using the cleat. Since the frame is attached using quick release pins most of the time I leave it at home. I never use the top when I'm out fishing, only when diving or just cruising with the wife. George
Gep	posted 09-05-2003 09:37 AM ET (US) Goosedog, What did you do with the '81 Outrage? Mike
Goosedog	posted 09-05-2003 10:26 AM ET (US) Sorry Gep, I can see my prior post on the Outrage was unclear. It was yet to be purchased.
prj	posted 09-05-2003 02:24 PM ET (US) Hmmm, wonder if Mike is thinking about another resto, what with the skills and experience established...
ghefty	posted 09-08-2003 08:12 AM ET (US) Moe, I measured the footprint of the 188C this weekend, left to right 8" front to back 6.5" I finally installed the VHF this weekend; Standard Horizon Eclpise+ with a 4' Digital antenna mounted on the center support of the console grabrail. I will post pictures at www.caico.com/170 I'm sure that this has been mentioned here before, but the local marine store didn't have a flush mounting kit in stock. So I cut the gimbal mount in half, measured the required distance from the inside of the console to the screw holes, drilled new holes in the gimbal mount and made my own flush mount kit. Just to keep it tight, I added a small touch of 5200 to the inside of the cut base, now the radio can be removed by undoing the gimbal screws.
Moe	posted 09-08-2003 08:41 AM ET (US) Thanks, George! -- Moe