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Treypescatorie posted 09-08-2003 07:48 PM ET (US)
My local Whaler dealer said there is a six month wait for the conquest series. He said that the government brought them all up for home land security and the war on terror? Has anyone else heard this?
lhg posted 09-08-2003 08:23 PM ET (US)
True, but only the 255 model.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-09-2003 11:38 AM ET (US)
bullshit
dhlaw posted 09-09-2003 06:17 PM ET (US)
I second that.....there are Conquests sitting on the rack in Edgewater.
Treypescatorie posted 09-09-2003 08:36 PM ET (US)
TRAFFICLAWYER Thanks your reply. But please dont beat around the bush next time and get to the point!
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-09-2003 09:20 PM ET (US)
Are you just a tire kicker or are you seriously looking. If you're serious money talks and as I stated so aply bullshit, walks.If you've started the thread just for differing points, fine, you've got mine and I won't waste any more time on a tire kicker. As I've said many times over and over again, You can get anything you want anytime in boats or motors if you're not a pussy and have a full billfold. 30
jimh posted 09-09-2003 09:29 PM ET (US)
From what I know, based on articles that have appeared in various newspapers and from conversations I have had with marketing personnel at Boston Whaler Government and Commercial Group, the government was furnished with a large number of Boston Whaler boats from the Recreational product line to fulfill their demand for timely delivery of outboard boats for a large step up in border protection and patrol on the water.
These boats were taken, in some cases, from unsold dealer inventory, that is, they were already in the hands of the dealer and more or less "recalled" by the factory to fulfill the government order.
This is, as far as I know, true.
Now it may be that a particular dealer has no 255 CONQUEST models in stock and may not be in a position to order and take delivery of one for six months. It is my understanding that all boats are built to order at the factory, meaning that a boat is not built until a dealer orders it.
The flow of orders and the mix of product that is in the pipeline could very well have created a situation where the next available 255 CONQUEST might be way off in the future. I don't know what the precise limitations of the factory's production schedule might be.
I have heard that they can knock out about ten 170 MONTAUK's a day. I would imagine that building a 255 CONQUEST takes much longer, perhaps several day to complete. So to build one 255 CONQUEST might take as much time as building 30-40 MONTAUK's. If you already are back-ordered on the new 2004 MONTAUK model, you might not, if you were the production manager, what to give up several days of production to make a 255 CONQUEST.
If someone wants to stop by the factory and take a digital image of all those 255 CONQUEST's sitting down there in racks that the factory built on speculation and are available to any dealer who calls down there and wants one, I would be glad to host and link to that image for all to see.
Even better, just stop off and write down the HIN from one of those unsold 255 CONQUEST's that are laying around crowdin' up the parking lot down in Edgewater, and email it to Treypescatorie so he can tell his dealer about it
When you go to some custom builders and want a boat, they tell you give 'em a big deposit and they'll be able to start on it in 3-4 years. By the way, situations like that make the used boat market rise in price, as some guys want a boat this week, not in 36-months. When the factory is busy cranking out boats they don't have buyers for, then the price of new boats drops and there goes the used boat market.
--jimh
dhlaw posted 09-12-2003 05:53 PM ET (US)
Stopped off at Whaler plant today and counted 4 Conquests on the rack (255's), but cant get into the area to get the hull ID's for you. Word has it that a few dealers have sent them back due to the poor economy. Hmmmm.
Treypescatorie posted 09-13-2003 02:08 PM ET (US)
I am not currently in the market for a new conquest. I have a 2000 model. I just wanted to get some input on if the conquest availability was true. So Trafficlawyer I guess you can say that I'm a tire kicker.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-14-2003 10:04 PM ET (US)
OK, what Conquest do you have, how do you like it?
Treypescatorie posted 09-21-2003 08:40 AM ET (US)
I have a 21 conquest. It is a perfect size for what I use it for,mostly fishing and ocasionally overniting with the fam. I know that you do not like mercury, but besides minor problems the engine has run flawlesly. I have had some repair and construction issues that have been repaired by whaler such as headliner leaking and storage boxes (inside the hull that were never fiberglassed in correctly) that broke loose. All in all I would buy another whaler. For the most part there built like a tank!
Peter posted 09-21-2003 09:34 AM ET (US)
Perhaps nothing more than an interesting coincidence here, but, the Whaler display at the Norwalk, CT boat show this weekend had no Conquest models on display. This is a departure from prior years. I asked one of the sales associates why and the answer was they just decided to leave them home. Reading between the lines, the tone of the answer sounded like it hasn't been a hot seller so why go through the hastle to bring it to the show.
I was at the Newport, RI show last week and cannot recall seeing a Conquest at that show either.
The fact that they have made so many changes to the Conquest line up in such a short period of time, including discontinuations of models not long after they are introduced, suggests to me that Whaler is having a difficult time trying to find its niche to compete effectively in this highly competitive market segment. With Whaler's current practices, I have now come to expect that models will be discontinued or revamped every two years. Personally, I find the Conquest flux disconcerting as a consumer. The flux can't be helping resale values.
Also, locking customers into a single brand for power can't be helping with sales either, at least not in this region where I believe that Mercury is not considered the leading brand.
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-21-2003 12:59 PM ET (US)
The 'flux' is not disconcerting to me, my 255 Conquest with Yamahas sits on a triple in my driveway.
JFM posted 09-21-2003 03:45 PM ET (US)
I bet your nieghbors love you. Or perhaps you don't live where most lawyers do ;>)!
Regards, Jay
TRAFFICLAWYER posted 09-21-2003 09:29 PM ET (US)
Whats not to love about a Whaler? Actually the new neighbor has a 21' Four Winns and the other across the street a jon boat. I have a 70' flat double wide driveway, so i could have fit a 34 Venture.

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Author	Topic: Conquest availability?
Treypescatorie	posted 09-08-2003 07:48 PM ET (US) My local Whaler dealer said there is a six month wait for the conquest series. He said that the government brought them all up for home land security and the war on terror? Has anyone else heard this?
lhg	posted 09-08-2003 08:23 PM ET (US) True, but only the 255 model.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-09-2003 11:38 AM ET (US) bullshit
dhlaw	posted 09-09-2003 06:17 PM ET (US) I second that.....there are Conquests sitting on the rack in Edgewater.
Treypescatorie	posted 09-09-2003 08:36 PM ET (US) TRAFFICLAWYER Thanks your reply. But please dont beat around the bush next time and get to the point!
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-09-2003 09:20 PM ET (US) Are you just a tire kicker or are you seriously looking. If you're serious money talks and as I stated so aply bullshit, walks.If you've started the thread just for differing points, fine, you've got mine and I won't waste any more time on a tire kicker. As I've said many times over and over again, You can get anything you want anytime in boats or motors if you're not a pussy and have a full billfold. 30
jimh	posted 09-09-2003 09:29 PM ET (US) From what I know, based on articles that have appeared in various newspapers and from conversations I have had with marketing personnel at Boston Whaler Government and Commercial Group, the government was furnished with a large number of Boston Whaler boats from the Recreational product line to fulfill their demand for timely delivery of outboard boats for a large step up in border protection and patrol on the water. These boats were taken, in some cases, from unsold dealer inventory, that is, they were already in the hands of the dealer and more or less "recalled" by the factory to fulfill the government order. This is, as far as I know, true. Now it may be that a particular dealer has no 255 CONQUEST models in stock and may not be in a position to order and take delivery of one for six months. It is my understanding that all boats are built to order at the factory, meaning that a boat is not built until a dealer orders it. The flow of orders and the mix of product that is in the pipeline could very well have created a situation where the next available 255 CONQUEST might be way off in the future. I don't know what the precise limitations of the factory's production schedule might be. I have heard that they can knock out about ten 170 MONTAUK's a day. I would imagine that building a 255 CONQUEST takes much longer, perhaps several day to complete. So to build one 255 CONQUEST might take as much time as building 30-40 MONTAUK's. If you already are back-ordered on the new 2004 MONTAUK model, you might not, if you were the production manager, what to give up several days of production to make a 255 CONQUEST. If someone wants to stop by the factory and take a digital image of all those 255 CONQUEST's sitting down there in racks that the factory built on speculation and are available to any dealer who calls down there and wants one, I would be glad to host and link to that image for all to see. Even better, just stop off and write down the HIN from one of those unsold 255 CONQUEST's that are laying around crowdin' up the parking lot down in Edgewater, and email it to Treypescatorie so he can tell his dealer about it When you go to some custom builders and want a boat, they tell you give 'em a big deposit and they'll be able to start on it in 3-4 years. By the way, situations like that make the used boat market rise in price, as some guys want a boat this week, not in 36-months. When the factory is busy cranking out boats they don't have buyers for, then the price of new boats drops and there goes the used boat market. --jimh
dhlaw	posted 09-12-2003 05:53 PM ET (US) Stopped off at Whaler plant today and counted 4 Conquests on the rack (255's), but cant get into the area to get the hull ID's for you. Word has it that a few dealers have sent them back due to the poor economy. Hmmmm.
Treypescatorie	posted 09-13-2003 02:08 PM ET (US) I am not currently in the market for a new conquest. I have a 2000 model. I just wanted to get some input on if the conquest availability was true. So Trafficlawyer I guess you can say that I'm a tire kicker.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-14-2003 10:04 PM ET (US) OK, what Conquest do you have, how do you like it?
Treypescatorie	posted 09-21-2003 08:40 AM ET (US) I have a 21 conquest. It is a perfect size for what I use it for,mostly fishing and ocasionally overniting with the fam. I know that you do not like mercury, but besides minor problems the engine has run flawlesly. I have had some repair and construction issues that have been repaired by whaler such as headliner leaking and storage boxes (inside the hull that were never fiberglassed in correctly) that broke loose. All in all I would buy another whaler. For the most part there built like a tank!
Peter	posted 09-21-2003 09:34 AM ET (US) Perhaps nothing more than an interesting coincidence here, but, the Whaler display at the Norwalk, CT boat show this weekend had no Conquest models on display. This is a departure from prior years. I asked one of the sales associates why and the answer was they just decided to leave them home. Reading between the lines, the tone of the answer sounded like it hasn't been a hot seller so why go through the hastle to bring it to the show. I was at the Newport, RI show last week and cannot recall seeing a Conquest at that show either. The fact that they have made so many changes to the Conquest line up in such a short period of time, including discontinuations of models not long after they are introduced, suggests to me that Whaler is having a difficult time trying to find its niche to compete effectively in this highly competitive market segment. With Whaler's current practices, I have now come to expect that models will be discontinued or revamped every two years. Personally, I find the Conquest flux disconcerting as a consumer. The flux can't be helping resale values. Also, locking customers into a single brand for power can't be helping with sales either, at least not in this region where I believe that Mercury is not considered the leading brand.
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-21-2003 12:59 PM ET (US) The 'flux' is not disconcerting to me, my 255 Conquest with Yamahas sits on a triple in my driveway.
JFM	posted 09-21-2003 03:45 PM ET (US) I bet your nieghbors love you. Or perhaps you don't live where most lawyers do ;>)! Regards, Jay
TRAFFICLAWYER	posted 09-21-2003 09:29 PM ET (US) Whats not to love about a Whaler? Actually the new neighbor has a 21' Four Winns and the other across the street a jon boat. I have a 70' flat double wide driveway, so i could have fit a 34 Venture.