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Barney posted 09-28-2003 05:59 PM ET (US)
The rod holder cushion is too low on my boat for hauling friends and family. I made a Starboard back for the cushion and snapped the cushion to it. The snaps are on the backside of the Starboard. I made two Starboard cleats that are screwed to the new Starboard back. These cleats slip into the two inner most rod holders and hold the back cushion up higher. Adjust the cushion height by installing the cleats higher or lower. For mine the top of the cushion is now located at the top on the rod holder. Too go fishing just remove by slipping it out of the holder, resnap the cushion to the original location. If anybody is interested I will borrow a digital camera and try to figure out how to post them. Jim
AQUANUT posted 09-29-2003 12:07 PM ET (US)
JIM,
I too find the rod holder/cushion inadequate.I hear complaints from all who must sit on the cooler seat...I have plans to can the plastic rod holders completely. I am opting for a rocket launcher setup in my t-top.
Barney posted 09-29-2003 12:14 PM ET (US)
This solution works well and is not permanent. I plan on taking some photos as the verbal description is hard to visualize. Jim
Barney posted 10-06-2003 07:12 PM ET (US)
Try this, you will see the cushion modification as well as the Boston Whaler cleats at the stern. That's my nephew waiting for a boat ride. Jim
http://myweb.cableone.net/barney9014
Knot at Work posted 10-06-2003 09:13 PM ET (US)
Jim, Your a freakin Genius! Good idea! What a great dog to have on a whaler! Nice boat cant wait till friday to take mine out!
Jeff
MantyMonty posted 10-06-2003 09:37 PM ET (US)
Hello Barney. I'm a new poster, but not a new viewer. I just traded my 2003 150 Sport for a 2004 170. I finally could get this boat because of the swing tongue the trailer comes with now. I just wanted ask what exactly is Starboard. And where can I get this board material. Is it like a nylon or wood product? Thanks for the help. Taking my new Monty out for the first time on Lake Michigan on Thursday with Twin Cities Marine personnel.
tabasco posted 10-06-2003 09:48 PM ET (US)
Send photos to whaler maybe they will incorporate it in next years model......Great idea
Do you have a measured drawing you can send me?
Barney posted 10-06-2003 09:49 PM ET (US)
MantyMonty, Congrats on the 170, you'll love the boat.
Starboard is a Marine Grade Polymer:
http://www.kingstarboard.com/
I bought mine at West Marine. It's easy to work with. What is the water temp on the lake? Jim
MantyMonty posted 10-06-2003 09:54 PM ET (US)
I don't know the temp off hand, probably in the low 50's. In the 30 degree mornings, there are steam clouds over the lake on the horizon. I took my 150 out last week and the air temp was 48, so my 6 year old son and I donned stocking hats and set out for a two hour ride along the lakeshore from Manitowoc to Two Rivers (only 6 miles). Thanks for the link on the board material. Great looking boat!
Barney posted 10-06-2003 09:55 PM ET (US)
Tabasco, thanks, I freehanded it to get a close fit. I'll get some measurements. The neat thing I discovered this weekend is with two fishing rods in the outside holders a person can sit and still lean back at the cooler seat. Jim
Barney posted 10-07-2003 12:24 PM ET (US)
Jeff, Thanks, the golden retriever, still a big puppy, belongs to the in-laws, when we were taking the cushion photos, he just sort of fell into the boat. He is on the ready at all times. Jim
Maximus posted 10-13-2003 12:41 AM ET (US)
The wife is mandating your rod holder fix be incorporated next summer....thanks for the idea.
Question regarding your bimini top: Is it a Mills Top? As you know we essentially have the same boat but my bimini is reversed from yours. The straps are installed foward and the removable stantions are aft. Not sure if this makes a big difference but...
Mills instructions were almost illegible. I think I had a photocopy of a photocopy of a....it was a multigeneration copy but locations of the supports were clear.

I will post some pictures: http://users.rcn.com/rcarita
Barney posted 10-13-2003 08:35 AM ET (US)
Hey Max, the bimini is a Whaler factory one, "Great Lakes etc." My wife likes the cushion also. Jim
Barney posted 10-13-2003 10:44 AM ET (US)
Starboard materials list:
Back support that cushion is mounted on:
22" X 7 1/4"
Cleats that mount to the back support:
(2) cleats @ 4 3/4" X 1 11/16"
Note: the relief in the cleats is 1/8" deep X 3" (for fitting the assembly onto the rod holders)

Assembly:
The cleats are mounted on the back support 3 1/2" from the centerline of the backsupport about 1/4" from top of backsupport. I used three stainless screws for each cleat and countersunk them into the back support.
Fit cushion on the backsupport and mark locations for screw in snaps for attachment of cushion.
Refer to why website for pictures. To give credit, my wife came up with the creative idea. I'm the assembly dude. Good luck. Jim
waterguy posted 10-13-2003 02:17 PM ET (US)
Now this is why this site is so great. Where else are you going to find ideas like Barney's project? It amazes me still the information you can get on this site.
Nice work Barney. My Black lab loved the dog pictures!
Barney posted 10-13-2003 03:47 PM ET (US)
CORRECTION: The 1/8" deep cut (relief) in the cleats is 2" long not 3".
Thanks Waterguy.
Jim

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Author	Topic: 170 Montauk Rod Holder Cushion Solution
Barney	posted 09-28-2003 05:59 PM ET (US) The rod holder cushion is too low on my boat for hauling friends and family. I made a Starboard back for the cushion and snapped the cushion to it. The snaps are on the backside of the Starboard. I made two Starboard cleats that are screwed to the new Starboard back. These cleats slip into the two inner most rod holders and hold the back cushion up higher. Adjust the cushion height by installing the cleats higher or lower. For mine the top of the cushion is now located at the top on the rod holder. Too go fishing just remove by slipping it out of the holder, resnap the cushion to the original location. If anybody is interested I will borrow a digital camera and try to figure out how to post them. Jim
AQUANUT	posted 09-29-2003 12:07 PM ET (US) JIM, I too find the rod holder/cushion inadequate.I hear complaints from all who must sit on the cooler seat...I have plans to can the plastic rod holders completely. I am opting for a rocket launcher setup in my t-top.
Barney	posted 09-29-2003 12:14 PM ET (US) This solution works well and is not permanent. I plan on taking some photos as the verbal description is hard to visualize. Jim
Barney	posted 10-06-2003 07:12 PM ET (US) Try this, you will see the cushion modification as well as the Boston Whaler cleats at the stern. That's my nephew waiting for a boat ride. Jim http://myweb.cableone.net/barney9014
Knot at Work	posted 10-06-2003 09:13 PM ET (US) Jim, Your a freakin Genius! Good idea! What a great dog to have on a whaler! Nice boat cant wait till friday to take mine out! Jeff
MantyMonty	posted 10-06-2003 09:37 PM ET (US) Hello Barney. I'm a new poster, but not a new viewer. I just traded my 2003 150 Sport for a 2004 170. I finally could get this boat because of the swing tongue the trailer comes with now. I just wanted ask what exactly is Starboard. And where can I get this board material. Is it like a nylon or wood product? Thanks for the help. Taking my new Monty out for the first time on Lake Michigan on Thursday with Twin Cities Marine personnel.
tabasco	posted 10-06-2003 09:48 PM ET (US) Send photos to whaler maybe they will incorporate it in next years model......Great idea Do you have a measured drawing you can send me?
Barney	posted 10-06-2003 09:49 PM ET (US) MantyMonty, Congrats on the 170, you'll love the boat. Starboard is a Marine Grade Polymer: http://www.kingstarboard.com/ I bought mine at West Marine. It's easy to work with. What is the water temp on the lake? Jim
MantyMonty	posted 10-06-2003 09:54 PM ET (US) I don't know the temp off hand, probably in the low 50's. In the 30 degree mornings, there are steam clouds over the lake on the horizon. I took my 150 out last week and the air temp was 48, so my 6 year old son and I donned stocking hats and set out for a two hour ride along the lakeshore from Manitowoc to Two Rivers (only 6 miles). Thanks for the link on the board material. Great looking boat!
Barney	posted 10-06-2003 09:55 PM ET (US) Tabasco, thanks, I freehanded it to get a close fit. I'll get some measurements. The neat thing I discovered this weekend is with two fishing rods in the outside holders a person can sit and still lean back at the cooler seat. Jim
Barney	posted 10-07-2003 12:24 PM ET (US) Jeff, Thanks, the golden retriever, still a big puppy, belongs to the in-laws, when we were taking the cushion photos, he just sort of fell into the boat. He is on the ready at all times. Jim
Maximus	posted 10-13-2003 12:41 AM ET (US) The wife is mandating your rod holder fix be incorporated next summer....thanks for the idea. Question regarding your bimini top: Is it a Mills Top? As you know we essentially have the same boat but my bimini is reversed from yours. The straps are installed foward and the removable stantions are aft. Not sure if this makes a big difference but... Mills instructions were almost illegible. I think I had a photocopy of a photocopy of a....it was a multigeneration copy but locations of the supports were clear. I will post some pictures: http://users.rcn.com/rcarita
Barney	posted 10-13-2003 08:35 AM ET (US) Hey Max, the bimini is a Whaler factory one, "Great Lakes etc." My wife likes the cushion also. Jim
Barney	posted 10-13-2003 10:44 AM ET (US) Starboard materials list: Back support that cushion is mounted on: 22" X 7 1/4" Cleats that mount to the back support: (2) cleats @ 4 3/4" X 1 11/16" Note: the relief in the cleats is 1/8" deep X 3" (for fitting the assembly onto the rod holders) Assembly: The cleats are mounted on the back support 3 1/2" from the centerline of the backsupport about 1/4" from top of backsupport. I used three stainless screws for each cleat and countersunk them into the back support. Fit cushion on the backsupport and mark locations for screw in snaps for attachment of cushion. Refer to why website for pictures. To give credit, my wife came up with the creative idea. I'm the assembly dude. Good luck. Jim
waterguy	posted 10-13-2003 02:17 PM ET (US) Now this is why this site is so great. Where else are you going to find ideas like Barney's project? It amazes me still the information you can get on this site. Nice work Barney. My Black lab loved the dog pictures!
Barney	posted 10-13-2003 03:47 PM ET (US) CORRECTION: The 1/8" deep cut (relief) in the cleats is 2" long not 3". Thanks Waterguy. Jim