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Seagull6 posted 11-29-2003 05:33 PM ET (US)
On Thanksgiving I came across an exceptional deal on Ebay. A 2000 Boston Whaler Dauntless with 90 HP 4 stroke Mercury and trailer - all in like new condition. The starting bid was $5666 and after I emailed the seller a few questions he said that the (unpublished)"buy it now" price was $6400 but that if I was interested and committed within 24 hours he would give me a 10% discount. The boat is in Germany, but it has US titles for the boat and trailer and he could have it shipped to NJ for $650. He preferred wire transfer as mode of payment. When I emailed him and asked for his name, address, and telephone number so that we could discuss - I got his name and address in Germany, but no telephone number. I checked the for feedback on this guy in Ebay and it was all A+ - A++++, but only for buying transactions - he had not sold anything previously through Ebay. I checked the online telephone directory in Germany for him and got no listing.
Incidentally, the ad was closed on Ebay last night, but I printed it out. The hull registration number on the boat is MC 3595 SA. Does anyone know where that would be from?
I am more than a little skeptical about this deal. Checking around on the web I found a 1999 Dauntless 160 in NJ for $18,000 - $6400 seems too good to be true. What are your thoughts on this transaction?
Chuck Gullage

gimcrack225 posted 11-29-2003 06:00 PM ET (US)
Chuck
Niedrige veranschlagte Boote können gefährlich sein.
I have heard reports of similar offers being described as scams. You send money and then what?
Karl
sarnuk posted 11-30-2003 06:39 AM ET (US)
Stay Clear.I have seen Three 16 Dauntless's advertised on the Jersey shore this past fall for 19 - 26k (year 1999 - 2003)I just sold my 2003 Ventura 160 (same hull as the dauntless) in that range as well.
PS I see you live in Chatham, NJ. So do I. Where do you boat? My email is SArnuk@aol.com ...feel free to drop me a line if you need advice on a boat. This past year was my first year , and I already made mistakes you could learn from. Heck I made mistakes my 10 year old can learn from.
Ventura16 posted 11-30-2003 07:39 AM ET (US)
The MC number is a Michigan registration number.
Tom
ryanwhaler posted 11-30-2003 05:03 PM ET (US)
I thought you guys might find this thread intersting, its about the same boat that was on ebay. According to this it was a scam.
http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007442
Seagull6 posted 11-30-2003 05:15 PM ET (US)
ryanwhaler- That was my post on iboats.com.
I finally heard back from the seller via email this morning and I responded by asking him for the VINs on the boat and trailer and the serial number on the motor. In addition, I asked him who MC 3595 SA was registered to. Also, I insisted that he provide his telephone number. BTW - he's not listed in the Munich Germany online telephone directory. At this point I expect that he'll either come back and say the boat has been sold or he will simply not respond at all.
Seagull6 posted 12-01-2003 07:22 AM ET (US)
This guy had an interesting mode of operation. He conducted a dozen small transactions over the past couple of months on ebay, paid up quickly and was easy to deal with, resulting in a dozen positive feedbacks (A+ - A++++). That way when you checked feedback on him he looked pretty good.
He put the boat up for bid, but specified that bidders needed to be pre-qualified by him first. To do that you had to email him through ebay, which I did. As soon as he received my email he suspended bidding on ebay and attempted to conduct the transaction with me outside of ebay demanding wire transfer as method of payment.
Eventually he gave me his name and address (in Munich), but no telephone number. I attempted to look him up in the Munich online telephone directory, but couldn't find a listing for him. Then I contacted one of the people that gave him positive feedback on ebay and learned that he had given them a different name and an address in Indiana back on November 20th. I attempted to call him in Indiana, but couldn't find a listing for him, but I did reach a grand mother with the same last name out there in the town he claimed to live in, but she had never heard of him. At that point I turned the scammer over to ebay security with everything that I had learned over the weekend.
So, checking the feedback on a seller is probably a good idea, but a clever con artist can essentially create his own feedback by the method that I described. The giveaways here were that the price on the boat was way too good to be true, the seller wanted wire transfer, and the boat was in Germany.
Jorgen posted 12-01-2003 09:05 PM ET (US)
I have acces to a Very large German database on who owns what boat, due to insurance companies we work with.
If you would like me to, I can run a check in this database for you, no problemo. Just mail me the info you have and I will do my best 4 you.

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Author	Topic: 2000 Dauntless 160 on Ebay
Seagull6	posted 11-29-2003 05:33 PM ET (US) On Thanksgiving I came across an exceptional deal on Ebay. A 2000 Boston Whaler Dauntless with 90 HP 4 stroke Mercury and trailer - all in like new condition. The starting bid was $5666 and after I emailed the seller a few questions he said that the (unpublished)"buy it now" price was $6400 but that if I was interested and committed within 24 hours he would give me a 10% discount. The boat is in Germany, but it has US titles for the boat and trailer and he could have it shipped to NJ for $650. He preferred wire transfer as mode of payment. When I emailed him and asked for his name, address, and telephone number so that we could discuss - I got his name and address in Germany, but no telephone number. I checked the for feedback on this guy in Ebay and it was all A+ - A++++, but only for buying transactions - he had not sold anything previously through Ebay. I checked the online telephone directory in Germany for him and got no listing. Incidentally, the ad was closed on Ebay last night, but I printed it out. The hull registration number on the boat is MC 3595 SA. Does anyone know where that would be from? I am more than a little skeptical about this deal. Checking around on the web I found a 1999 Dauntless 160 in NJ for $18,000 - $6400 seems too good to be true. What are your thoughts on this transaction? Chuck Gullage
gimcrack225	posted 11-29-2003 06:00 PM ET (US) Chuck Niedrige veranschlagte Boote können gefährlich sein. I have heard reports of similar offers being described as scams. You send money and then what? Karl
sarnuk	posted 11-30-2003 06:39 AM ET (US) Stay Clear.I have seen Three 16 Dauntless's advertised on the Jersey shore this past fall for 19 - 26k (year 1999 - 2003)I just sold my 2003 Ventura 160 (same hull as the dauntless) in that range as well. PS I see you live in Chatham, NJ. So do I. Where do you boat? My email is SArnuk@aol.com ...feel free to drop me a line if you need advice on a boat. This past year was my first year , and I already made mistakes you could learn from. Heck I made mistakes my 10 year old can learn from.
Ventura16	posted 11-30-2003 07:39 AM ET (US) The MC number is a Michigan registration number. Tom
ryanwhaler	posted 11-30-2003 05:03 PM ET (US) I thought you guys might find this thread intersting, its about the same boat that was on ebay. According to this it was a scam. http://www.iboats.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=007442
Seagull6	posted 11-30-2003 05:15 PM ET (US) ryanwhaler- That was my post on iboats.com. I finally heard back from the seller via email this morning and I responded by asking him for the VINs on the boat and trailer and the serial number on the motor. In addition, I asked him who MC 3595 SA was registered to. Also, I insisted that he provide his telephone number. BTW - he's not listed in the Munich Germany online telephone directory. At this point I expect that he'll either come back and say the boat has been sold or he will simply not respond at all.
Seagull6	posted 12-01-2003 07:22 AM ET (US) This guy had an interesting mode of operation. He conducted a dozen small transactions over the past couple of months on ebay, paid up quickly and was easy to deal with, resulting in a dozen positive feedbacks (A+ - A++++). That way when you checked feedback on him he looked pretty good. He put the boat up for bid, but specified that bidders needed to be pre-qualified by him first. To do that you had to email him through ebay, which I did. As soon as he received my email he suspended bidding on ebay and attempted to conduct the transaction with me outside of ebay demanding wire transfer as method of payment. Eventually he gave me his name and address (in Munich), but no telephone number. I attempted to look him up in the Munich online telephone directory, but couldn't find a listing for him. Then I contacted one of the people that gave him positive feedback on ebay and learned that he had given them a different name and an address in Indiana back on November 20th. I attempted to call him in Indiana, but couldn't find a listing for him, but I did reach a grand mother with the same last name out there in the town he claimed to live in, but she had never heard of him. At that point I turned the scammer over to ebay security with everything that I had learned over the weekend. So, checking the feedback on a seller is probably a good idea, but a clever con artist can essentially create his own feedback by the method that I described. The giveaways here were that the price on the boat was way too good to be true, the seller wanted wire transfer, and the boat was in Germany.
Jorgen	posted 12-01-2003 09:05 PM ET (US) I have acces to a Very large German database on who owns what boat, due to insurance companies we work with. If you would like me to, I can run a check in this database for you, no problemo. Just mail me the info you have and I will do my best 4 you.