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TG_190 posted 01-16-2004 12:35 PM ET (US)   Profile for TG_190   Send Email to TG_190  
Somebody sent me an email requesting my appraisal of the Nantucket that I have. Here it is for your benefit.

The Nantucket is a hell of a boat. I personally have had it up to 38mph in less than ideal conditions at WOT. I can typically cruise in average moderate ocean conditions at 25knots. I have the 135 opti w/ smartcraft. I average 4.3mpg.

Pros:
Whaler - solid, good set of compromises on hull shape.
Rides dry
Economical to operate
stable at rest or drifting.
fuel capacity excellent.
removable aft quarter seat is good.
smart set of features.
Beautiful to look at.
Handles easily and well.
easily trailerable (4000# total tow weight).
smart placement of battery, battery switch, and breakers inside CC.
Transom is great, and motorwell is nicely done.
large lockable storage in center console.
livewell works great. Fishing package is a nice, useable set of features.
leaning post and helm ergonomics are excellent.
bow chock and Nav lights work great and are classy looking.
Merc 135 runs great, and have had no problems.
Transom plate for a kicker is there but I don't have one.
The backing plates for a T-Top are also built in, but I have the Bimini which is a good one.
Easy to clean and maintain.
nice 22" of freeboard.
SELF BAILING AND MOTORWELL DRAINS TOO.

Cons: (Most, if not all are relatively minor and addressable.)
Aft quarter seats only useable at rest. Aft quarter seat back cushions not easily removable.
Starboard side aft quarter seat storage gets wet.
Tackle door opens in heavy seas, and is not lockable.
No drain plug to completely empty bilge, but a pro also because you won't forget to put it in. Has really been a non-issue. A good quality, big removable hatch gives good access to bilge, and livewell pump.
Cupholders near aft quarter seats have drain holes that dump into the bilge (these are the only things that I know of that allow water into the bilge, and they can easily be stopped up.)
The freshwater flush on the Merc engines sucks. Flimsy rubber gasket holds it in place, and it is on the back of the engine.
No option for dual batteries. I carry a marine power pack in the CC.
leaning post storage only accessible via unbuttoning of cushion and 2 circular screw off hatches. The flip up design on the 2000 outrages is nicer.
Cooler is only 54 quarts, and no fish boxes. You can easily strap a larger cooler in front of the CC, I've had a 128qt on board. Fish boxes on smaller boats tend to be small and pretty useless anyway. They also typically require yet another thruhull and pumpout?


Overall: Excellent.

Regards,

TG_190

TG_190 posted 01-16-2004 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Re flush fitting: I have pushed the fitting for the washdown through that gasket 3 times. I am using a quick release adapter to minimize the stress as well. I finally had the damn thing potted with a backing plate. Now it doesn't move.

The screw in plug is also ridiculous. Needs a lanyard. It is too easy to drop and loose.

Putting the port on the front of the engine is feasible, and a lot more user friendly.

Thus far, that is my only, corrected, complaint about the 2003 optimax engine.

Regards,

TG_190

JoeyP posted 01-16-2004 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I have a pair of the 200 opti's. I went to the quick disconnect after pushing the rubber backing in too many times. It works a lot better.

TG-190,

Give me a call this weekend if you can. I'd like to know how you made out with your boat upgrade.

Steve (275 Conquest, Sandy Hook)

Treypescatorie posted 01-16-2004 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Treypescatorie  Send Email to Treypescatorie     
I have a 2000 200hp optimax and had the same problem with the wash down fitting. I wound up screwing in a 6inch piece of garden hose and leaving it in place. I capped it off with a pvc plug.
This is the only complaint I have with the engine.c I dont see why the dont change this bad design.
kamie posted 01-17-2004 12:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
TG_190

Thanks for the appraisal. It helps out a lot in the decision making process

--kamie

Cole posted 01-17-2004 11:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Cole  Send Email to Cole     
I have a 150 Opti and I have by-passed the rear fitting and ran a flush hose forward through the engine and out with the rest of the control lines. I now have about 12" of hose that comes out the front of the engine with a quick disconnect. In that I am always flushing while the boat is in the slip the rear fitting was cumbersome and pushed through on numerous occasions. I've done this on my last 3 Opti's and it works great.
kamie posted 01-17-2004 12:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
TG,

When you say
"Aft quarter seats only useable at rest." is that due to the noise from the engine or other factors like water?

Same sort of question on the storage under the starboard side aft quarter seat?

TG_190 posted 01-17-2004 08:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Kamie,

I have found that any open boat with aft quater seats are not really suited to running in open water with more than a moderate chop, as they will be wet. The Nantucket is no exception here. They are however very useful while on a lazy drift, anchored, running in calm water. I would rather have them. I would however prefer they were both removable, but realize that they needed the space on the starboard side for plumbing stuff.

I don't know how yet, but water gets into the storage bin that sits in the vacant area under the starboard seat. It is a smallish storage bin, that comes out and is easily dumped.
I am sure, although I have not tried it yet, that a simple gasket would solve this problem. I use it for wet storage now, sponge, boat soap, deck brush head, nylon prop wrench, extra bottle of merclean, quart of DFI oil, etc.


Cole,

I would like to get the details on your flush system, as I slip my boat as well.How did you stop up the original hole?

Treypescatorie,

Your solution is interesting as well. Do you drive around with a pig tail?


Regards,
TG_190

Sal A posted 04-19-2004 06:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
I wanted to reply on this thread instead of beginning a new one.

I have had my 190 Nantucket with a 115hp 4 stroke out in Barnegat Bay on 3 consecutive days this past weekend. Each time the air temp was about 53, with winds a gusty 15-20 knots. The 60 gallon tank was nearly full. We totaled about 600lbs worth of gear and passengers. The bay was CHOPPY; by the Toms River Bridge I would estimate 3 foot waves even.

The ride was smooth. While the boat did pound I can't even imagine how we did that ride in our Ventura last year. The ride was very dry. We remarked that it was unbelievable that the windshield did not have spray on it. The Nantucket holds turns and course very well with little effort. I was very proud of its handling. The forward shelter is a must for those who buy the Nantucket as a family cruising and light fishing vessel; it kept the Admiral and my children warm and dry. They were happy while my ears plain hurt. It was chilly underway.

The 115hp 4 stroke engine with a S/S Vengeance prop took 6 or 7 seconds to plane the boat, and not the 9 seconds I was expecting. It did this at about 4000 rpm's and 19mph as per gps. 4700 rpm's and the boat was cruising comfortably at 23 mph. 5000 rpm's and we were at 27mph. 5500 rpm's and we saw 33mph. WOT at 6000-6100 rpm's and 37 mph. These measurements were taken with the wind at our back. I was surprised at WOT=6000rpm's; I am looking into a different prop. This engine is wonderful at idle, and energy efficient from what I can tell (6 hours and the needle barely budged). It is not quiet at planing speeds, however. If you are thinking of having 2 female freinds in cocktail dresses sipping champagne in the rear quarter seats talking with the engine whirring, that ain't gonna happen. But then again, who am I kidding... the female friends in cocktail dresses ain't gonna happen either.

I am very proud of the boat, and will experiment this season with a few different props. I love her looks, and I understand the wow feeling that someone described here months back (when they leave their boat at the slip... and turn around say wow). And several have remarked to me in the past that after a few seasons I can always choose to repower. Maybe Mercury will have a nice 4 stroke offering by then for this size boat.

I have updated my crude website with a few pictures, and am happy to answer questions here or offline if anyone would like. Thank you for all your help and debate.

Sal http://hometown.aol.com/sarnuk/SalsWhaler.html

Yiddil posted 04-19-2004 06:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
As I sit here thinking about the new nantucket, I read your remarks and it had me with a smile on my face. The way you described the way that Nantucket operated in a three-foot chop was impressive, but more importantly was the 115 engine and how it handled full load of fuel. I have been concerned about the 115 power or lack of--but you have answered that. I usualy will be in this baby with one other person, maybe two and a few dogs and the 115 (2carb) seems like it will be enough to handle the load comfortably.t he new pics are wonderful SAl. Mine will probably look exactly the same.

You trailering it or have it in a slip?

Sal A posted 04-19-2004 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Sal A  Send Email to Sal A     
Thanks Yiddil,

It is being slipped. Love it that way...jump in and go! I am lucky in that the marina is close to my home. Your 115 2 stroke will perform stronger than my 4 stroke; you will be pleased!

erik selis posted 04-20-2004 03:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for erik selis  Send Email to erik selis     
Great looking boat Sal!

Thanks for the report.

I wouldn't put those 2 female friends in cocktail dresses on the rear quarter seats. I would put them in the forward shelter for sure. ;-)

Erik

RonB posted 04-20-2004 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Sal,

Great pictures, I love the Bow Dodger. Although they do not have it listed, I think I'm going to call Mills and see if they can do one for my 2000 18 Outrage. I already purchased the bimini, console cover and leaning post cover from them. Giving my kids the chance to get out of the wind will surely extend my time on the water.

Ron

TG_190 posted 04-20-2004 08:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     

Note that one of the "cons" I listed was a mistake. It does in fact have a drain plug. I was misinformed, and found it during spring cleaning. The livewell plumbing off of the pump obscures it a bit.

Now I just have to remember to plug it whenever I put the boat in the water.

TG_190

Ventura16 posted 04-20-2004 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
Ron, I just called them today about a forward shelter for my new 18 Outrage...they don't make one. :-(

But maybe if both of us order one, they will re-consider.

Tom

RonB posted 04-20-2004 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for RonB  Send Email to RonB     
Tom,

I was talking to TG_190 earlier today and he brings up another good point. Since a T-Top was an option for the 2000 18 Outrage, the heck with the dodger, just go for the T-Top and have canvas with windows added to create a full enclosure. Something to think about...but a bit more expensive to say the least...

Before I consider that though, let me call Mills too and see if I can add a little support. I'm sure a custom canvas shop could do it too...but Mills does such good work. My canvas (bimini and covers) are sunbrella green to match my BW lettering/striping .

I'll report back.

Rgds,
Ron

TG_190 posted 04-21-2004 07:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for TG_190  Send Email to TG_190     
Ron,

You could save some money by having a local guy make your T-Top. I saw a Nantucket at McCarthy's w/ a T-top for $3k made to exact BW specs for mounting, tube diameter,and size. It looked sweet. I am sure you can do it for cheaper as I am sure the dealer had some markup in that $3k. The factory T-top is over $4k. Prices don't include canvas.

There is no good substitute for an enclosure, although I don't know how many people you could shelter with it. The dodger has the advantage of being a place where kiddies and wife could lay down. In my own kidless world, I would prefer the Ttop.

TG_190

Ventura16 posted 04-21-2004 09:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
Sorry we hijacked this Nantucket thread...we'll give it back soon! ;-)

I'm not that thrilled with a T-top for a couple of reasons. First of all, I regularly trailer my boat...a T-top adds to the PITA factor when towing, launching and retrieving...not to mention making indoor storage very difficult. And as TG_190 mentioned, they sure aren't cheap.

Also, I want the foul weather protection that a full canvas set offers...and the versatility to set up a specific configuration to match the conditions. My world is kid-less too, but I think that the flexibility of the canvas set makes the boat a lot more useful...and then it will get a lot more use.

Plus, my fishing needs are different from someone who fishes for saltwater species. Most of our salmon fishing is done by trolling at low speeds...with a lot of line way out there...we would rarely need to fight a fish around the center console. Once we hook 'em, we play them until they're worn out and then bring them straight up the transom.

If Mills isn't willing to make the stuff...or it is prohibitively expensive, I'll find someone locally to do it. I just think that direction is the best for my situation.


Tom

bsmotril posted 04-27-2004 11:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for bsmotril  Send Email to bsmotril     
Ventura15,
I've seen some very nice folding T-Tops that eliminate the aggravations you mention. Pull a locking pin our of each of the rear legs, and the top folds forward into the bow area. Tops and Towers in Houston and SanAntonio make such rigs and have pictures on their website.
BillS

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