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maybe posted 03-09-2005 03:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for maybe  
Hello Everyone,

This is new to me so let me start out by saying this web site is awesome. The information provided is very resourceful. I am looking for some helpful information. I found a left over 2004 170Montauk with a 90 mercury elpto, It is equipped with the Fishing Package, sun top, and swim platform. I was curious if I should consider waiting for a 2005 170 with the 90 elpt Optimax. The four stroke is well out of my price zone. What are the advantages and disadvantages of each? Final price is a big factor to me but so is longevity and resale value. I will be using the boat in saltwater but not all of the time. This will be the first boat I’ve owned but I’ve been on the water for years. So should I wait???

lloyd13 posted 03-09-2005 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for lloyd13  Send Email to lloyd13     
Only if God promised you a long life. Only thing best put off is yardwork, at least for whaler owners. If you procrastinate this year, next year technology will suggest you do it again, and on and on. Buy the boat and get out there and don't look back.
Troutman767 posted 03-09-2005 04:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Troutman767  Send Email to Troutman767     
If price is a big factor, you should have listed the price you are considering. It may be beneficial to look for a lightly used, less than 50 hour boat and save yourself about $4000.00 for starters.
You may also be able to get a 4 Stroke if you chose to buy used.

How much is this left over selling for and where are you located?



Buckda posted 03-09-2005 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Model year shouldn't matter much to you if the deal is right.

4-stroke vs. 2-stroke is really a buyer's preference, however if you think you'll sell it in a few years, the 4 stroke might be a good investment for future buyers (this is a guess, but the market seems to be trending to more 4stroke sales).

If you plan to get out on the water and enjoy the boat for years and years to come - then don't worry about year or enging package. The 90 HP is a good HP for that boat, and Mercury dealers are everywhere - i.e. it will be easy to find service/parts wherever you take the boat (not true with all brands, though the situation is getting better).

The best reason to buy the 2-stroke is power to weight ratio (superior). The reasons to buy 4-stroke are still being debated, but the following are some of the reasons:
1) - market trending toward increased 4 stroke sales- indicating possible consumer preference for quiet and clean motors, despite performance gaps (again, which some consumers might find to be minor)
2) personal satisfaction of using cleaner technology/environmental friendliness and quietness
3)Familiarity with 4-stroke format, and oil change schedules, etc (much more similar to an automobile or I/O) vs. continually buying and "burning" two stroke oil.

The above list is far from exhaustive - and it's really a personal preference at this point. I'd try to negotiate a great deal on the two-stroke, 2004 model and get out on the water and enjoy one of the best boats that Brunswick has made under the BW brand.

Have fun, and don't say maybe. There is no try. Only do, or do not. :)

maybe posted 03-09-2005 04:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for maybe    
Thanks to everyone who has replied so far. The boat is priced at $19600. Considering that the other dealers in the DE, MD, VA TRISTATE area don't have any leftovers there prices start @ 21500 similarly equipped. (Sun top, cooler seat) No fishing package or swim platform. I’m not sure of any other differences.
delasource posted 03-09-2005 04:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for delasource  Send Email to delasource     
I've just gone through the process of reviewing all options in search of a new/newer Montauk and decided on a new 2004 model with 90HP/4stroke, fishing package, bimini and swim platform for $20,800.

I compared prices in the midwest and east coast as far south as South Carolina. Your price seems fair as there aren't too many 2004's left at the dealers.

Check the Continuous Whaler classifieds. There is a 2004 in S.C. & a 2003 in Delaware. Both are well equiped boats that may suit your needs.

I choose the 4 stroke due to the fact that I'll be using my boat in long stretches of no wake zones on small rivers between lakes and wanted to avoid the oil smells associated with the 2 stroke.

The 4 stroke has enough power out of the hole for my needs and I support the environmentally superiority of the 4 stroke technology.

Good luck,


Phil Tyson posted 03-09-2005 05:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for Phil Tyson  Send Email to Phil Tyson     
Hey Maybe -

I suggest you go to and build a 2005 Montauk and see what the price is.

I think that leftover 2004 is a bit high in my opinion.

I have seen slightly used 2003, 2004 Montauks on Yachtworld,Boattrader for 17 - 20.

Do some research. Knowledge is power.

All the advice on this thread is spot on.

johnr posted 03-09-2005 05:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for johnr  Send Email to johnr     
I would wait and check for the best deal on a 2005 and get the four stroke. Check a few dealers out.
WT posted 03-09-2005 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
I also would wait for the pricing for the 2005 with 90 hp 4 stroke. The 90 4s is supposed to be coming out with the EFI. So I'm guessing that the non-EFI 90 HP 4 strokes maybe discounted.
Buckda posted 03-09-2005 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     

My rationale for recommending negotiating a deal on the 2004 and get boating:

1. Dealer may be more motivated to move the boat since the 2005 models are available (moreso than for the 2005 model)
2. The market trend is to prefer 4-stroke power for new boat purchases - buying a 2-stroke gives you less expensive option and could also be a negotiating tool
3. The ELPTO is a proven motor and will likely give you many years of reliable service (I have a 1986 150 HP ELPTO on my Whaler and it's running strong 20 model years later, and it was used in salt/brackish water up until last spring).
4. There is not a lot of difference between the 2004 and 2005 models (Can anyone name a MAJOR difference that would sway him to buy the 2005 model year?)
5. Your hull warranty and motor warranty will be the same as on a 2005 model.
6. (I don't know, but is there a waiting list for 2005 models?)..if so - this gets you in the game immediately..sounds like others are waiting for delivery of their 2005 boats.
7. You enjoy the benefits of buying from a dealer - they handle paperwork, they service the boat, etc. vs. buying from a private party and having to do all the conversions of warranties, etc. yourself, and then finding a dealer and establishing that relationship.

Just some additional food for thought.


montaukman posted 03-09-2005 06:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for montaukman  Send Email to montaukman     

Where did you find your 2004 left over for that price. I am going to buy a 2005 with the 90 four stroke, bimini and fishing package and trailer and my price was roughly $24,500. even if you take out the trailer, i am still almost 3K higher than you. I'd buy one and have it shipped for $500 and save myself alot of money. I still haven't signed my deal..was gooing to this Monday so I still have time. I thought i was getting a good deal (boat show pricing) according to my salesman.

Please let me know where you found yours. I am on Long Island.


Alan C.

WT posted 03-09-2005 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
If you have to pay $19,600 for a 2 stroke 2004 Montauk,I would wait because I think you can probably get a 2005 4 stroke for a little more.

But if there is an indication the dealer will take less than $19,600 then offer him $18,000 and see what happens.

With gas prices shooting to the moon, I doubt boats will be flying out of the showrooms.

My 2 cents,

maybe posted 03-09-2005 07:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for maybe    
Hello Everyone. A lot of food for thought. I called a couple of local dealers and the majority of them won't be offering a two-stroke option. The four stroke similarly equipped is around 25k. I did find one dealer with a 2005 same options but with a 90 optimax @ 22500. A lot of dealers are waiting for delivery and don't seem to want to deal. Maybe If I wait until later in the season they will be willing to deal. Sorry for any confusion the price is 18700-w/out taxes. Once again thank you for all of the info.
Marsh posted 03-09-2005 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Marsh  Send Email to Marsh     
Sounds like a great deal to me. I bought my similarly-equipped '04 Montauk 170 in Jan. 2004 for $22,738 excl tax. best deal I could find within 500 miles. Then had to pay 9.75% tax when I registered it in my home state. I had over $25,000 in my Montauk before i even put it in the water. I have since added a Pate tank, trolling motor and batteries, new trailer tires, up-powered to a 115 HP Merc 4 stroke....I've prolly got 30 grand in the damn thing by now. Caught a grand total of 3 fish in the year and 2 months I've had it.

Your 18 thou figure looks like a steal. Be forewarned that the price you pay the dealer is just the starting point.


pvonk posted 03-09-2005 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for pvonk  Send Email to pvonk     
Just a comment on the boat year -

If this is really a "2005" model year Montauk, be aware that they come out in 2004. I bought my 2005 170 in Aug. of '04, and I believe that was just after they came out. So, at this point the 2005 model year is about 7 months old (not that ALL such models are 7 months old), and we're now about 5 months from the 2006 models. So, in 3-4 months, dealers should be trying to unload their 2005 models with some sales.

- Pierre

maybe posted 03-09-2005 09:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for maybe    

This boat is for sure a 2004 with a 2004 motor. A very good point about the change date/time of the model year. The 06 should be out soon (mid/end summer)? Does anyone think an 04 is a bad idea??? Once again I'm watching every penny but in no rush.

maybe posted 03-09-2005 11:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for maybe    
I've read some other posts and it looks like the new 170 Montauk prices are all over. I took the free advice and went to I found that a 2005 similar boat w/the Fishing Package, sun top, and swim platform will price out at 20719 w/o Dealer freight and prep. Does anyone think, as the summer approaches dealers will discount them or is 2k discount seem right?
AQUANUT posted 03-10-2005 05:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for AQUANUT  Send Email to AQUANUT     

boston whaler starts its new model production year on june 1st..if it starts production on the day before..its the current year..if its the 1st of june its next year.

back in 2003,
there were a few production changes made between 2003/2004
I.E. rear cleats..and later on changes in the tackle box and console latch mechanisms.

when I delivered my boat to myself...{I work at a bw dearlership}.. I had installed an 115hp EFI 4 stroke.
it had a model year of 2003. I purchased the 3 year extended warranty in conjunction with the manufacturers 3 year warranty..[did I mention..I work at a mercury/yamaha/honda dealership?]..anyway...the warranty is transferrable..and production date is imaterial, 6 years is from date of purchase...hull warranty is the same, good from date of purchase.

bigjohn1 posted 03-10-2005 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigjohn1  Send Email to bigjohn1     
Remember guys, he said the 4-strokes were well out of his price zone.

Maybe - GO FOR THE BOAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING! Under $20K with those options sounds like a decent deal to me given what others have been paying for 4-stroke-equipped 170's for the past two model years. No, you will not have a 4-stroke but I still feel that is an attractive price for what you are getting.

Others may have contradictory info but I do not think one single thing was changed on the 170 from the '04 to '05 model year....Aquanut can tell us for sure. I do think some of both model years were shipped with Mills Bimini's and some had tops made by that company in Tennessee.

Like Marsh and Aquanut, I whipped out the wallet and payed dearly for the 115efi upgrade and all totalled, I have well over 30K in that boat (inclusive of electronics). Don't use my personal price as any "yardstick" though as I had to pay a few thousand more for shipment over here to the South Pacific.

This sounds like a good deal and personally, I fail to see any advantage to your waiting for an '06 (or by going with an '05 for that matter).

aubv posted 03-10-2005 08:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for aubv  Send Email to aubv     

"So Should I wait??"
A friend of mines always says, "your dead a long time."

If your looking for a new boat in the 20k price range, the Montauk is a great first boat and it might turn out to be the only boat you ever need.

The first launch on a nice spring day and the actual cost will be of little concern.

Holy Cow posted 03-10-2005 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Holy Cow  Send Email to Holy Cow     
Maybe! I have a 2003 fully loaded/upgraded 170 Montauk for sale! Go to the Merchandise area and look for it? It I believe says 2003 ~ 170 Montauk For Sale or trade for 18'-20' Outrage or Key West! I am in Delaware. I have complete documentation and photos. I was going to take her to Taylor Marine. H.C. ~ Dan at 302 354 2214 cell
jerseyboy posted 03-11-2005 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for jerseyboy  Send Email to jerseyboy     
It's a great boat with a good solid engine -- at a fair price. Why wait and pay more later -- only to lose time having fun.
whalerjim2 posted 03-13-2005 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerjim2  Send Email to whalerjim2     
I have a very nice 2002 Montauk 170 for sale. I do have a new boat arriving this week so would be willing to take $17,000 FIRM for the entire package. I am not a dealer so additional funds will be saved on dealer fee's, etc. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to call or email. This boat has been for sale for one day and will not last long at this price.

Thank you,

PS I prefer the 2 stroke. If the Government wasn't mandating the outboard industry 4 stroke outboards would not exist ... yet.
Macadoo posted 03-14-2005 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for Macadoo  Send Email to Macadoo     
I bought my 2003 170 last August for 15k and change. Fishing package, 90 2 stroke and trailer. Had 14 hours on her when I bought her. Great boat but I can get more for her now after using her for a season. Youll never lose with a whaler. WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR, THIS AINT NO DRESS REHEARSAL- GO FOR IT.
Boboe posted 03-18-2005 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Boboe  Send Email to Boboe     
I purchased a Dauntles 2004 left over for $2k less than the best 05 price I could find. Taking delivery next week. I went with the 90 2 stroke because weight and cost were important. I would think the weight issue also applies to your boat.

EBAY has a used one, 20 hours, bid at 16k with a kicker motor in Rochester NY.

sweetdreams posted 03-24-2005 10:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for sweetdreams  Send Email to sweetdreams     
I haven't spent the time to read the entire thread. I only had to see that you were considering a two stroke and felt the need to reply. I have the exact boat you are considering only its a 2003. Don't buy the boat if you can't afford the few extra dollars for the 4 stroke. Smooth, dependible, fuel efficient and easy on the ears. You can actually talk while running to your favorite fishing hole. A 28 gallon tank last forever but, that another topic.
Holy Cow posted 03-29-2005 09:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Holy Cow  Send Email to Holy Cow     
For Maybe and others to review. See Market Place ~ 2003 170 with 4 stroke ~ Montauk Whaler for Sale. I am taking delivery of new Boat. Thanks HC
half shell posted 04-08-2005 07:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for half shell  Send Email to half shell     
BUY THE BOAT! If you can buy a new montauk for mid 18K you are doing good.I would guess in 5 yrs when the new montuks hit 30K you can get all your money back. and in that time frame you will still find buyers that will prefer the tourque and power of the two stroke.

Regards Bob

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