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|Author||Topic: Montauk 190|
posted 07-04-2006 01:35 PM ET (US)
Just saw one this weekend at the Outboard Motor Shop in Alameda (CA). It was sitting right next to an Outrage 190. Very different hulls. Wider deadrise and lower freeboard. Whaler must think there is a compelling market for this boat since it apparently shares no mold parts with any other hulls. Odd that it's not on the web site yet.
posted 07-04-2006 08:22 PM ET (US)
I do like the 190 montauk, however the trailer I dislike. Sits really HIGH on it.
Noticed that her center console is higher. Which makes her steering wheel and throttle height much more comfy.
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasport vector wa)
posted 07-11-2006 12:57 AM ET (US)
the latest edition of the Boston Whaler magazine( summer 2006) has an article on the new 190 montauk. The photos clearly show the new stern seat and the chrome gas tank cap just behind the seat. So there is a built in tank in the rear but we dont know how many gallons yet. Otherwise the photos look like a 170. the much wider beam will not be obvious till I see her in person.
posted 07-11-2006 01:12 AM ET (US)
I climbed into the same 190 Montauk on Saturday. It's just like a 170 Montauk only bigger. I like it a lot, except for the 115 hp 4 stroke EFI.
I fish with 1 maybe 2 others on my 170 Montauk. I would think that the 190 with its spaciousness would easily accommodate 4. I think that 4 fishermen along with 60 gallons of fuel would make the 190 a poor performer, especially in the ocean.
My unjustified opinion,
posted 07-11-2006 07:58 AM ET (US)
Since the new 190 montauk has such a low hp, I think a doel fin or other brand of fin would help her out to get on plane quickly especially when she is fully loaded down with people and a load of fuel.
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)
posted 07-11-2006 02:26 PM ET (US)
When people come to this site looking for advice on a new purchase and the new Whaler boats they are asking about are belittled they don't buy and loveingly restore a classic Whaler--no--they just go buy some other brand of new boat. It is a deservice to them and the company when their products are condemed by bias from people who mostly have never seen or been on one of the newer Whalers.
I doubt Whaler ever produced classic 17 and 170s for very long. I do imagine there was a lot of left over stock that would have been in the delievery system putting both boats on the show floor at the same time. Of course, like Ford, the old and new F150 truck was sold and manufactured at the same time so I guess it is possible they hedged their bets until the sales figures increase made the decision for them.
posted 07-11-2006 04:17 PM ET (US)
190 holds 60 gallons of fuel and the new LN4 115, while not a powerhouse will easily plane out 4 adults and a full livewell in under 10 seconds. Top speed 40 mph bottom painted. It runs alot like a 170 performance wise. Just bigger.
posted 07-11-2006 08:31 PM ET (US)
If it runs alot like the 170, then a fin would benefit.
The reason why I said that is because I have a fin on mine.
posted 07-12-2006 05:52 PM ET (US)
fish - maybe your boat would benefit even more from having your engine set up properly.
Fins are generally used and loved by people who find that they alleviate some of the symptoms of an improperly mounted engine.
If your engine is mounted properly - so that the cavitation plate is an inch or so above the lowest point on the transom, there is no clean-flowing water for the fin to act upon - there will be nothing hotting the fin but turbulent flow.
However, if an engine is mounted too low, the fin will help to lift the stern and counteract the bow rise caused by the low-mouned engine.
IMHO, putting a fin on an outboard is like correcting a car that turns to the left with the steering straight by putting a bigger wheel on the car instead of fixing the original problem.
Sorry to hijack the thread on the 190.
posted 07-12-2006 07:06 PM ET (US)
As long as you have started this line of discussion - I have to ask: Have you ever used a hydrofoil on a boat, whether the motor is mounted at the optimum height or not?
No offense old buddy, but you are missing the point and you are incorrect in your assertion. Certainly, the first thing is that the motor needs to be set at the correct height. Having done that, and still desiring to get on plane more quickly and/or hold plane at lower speeds, a hydrofoil will make a positive difference. At higher planing speeds the hydrofoil *is* above the flow of the water, and makes no difference to performance (there are those who claim hydrofoils lower a given boat's top end speed, which, when it is not touching the water, it cannot do.) It is not high planing speeds we are talking about. It is from below planing speed to low planing speed when the flow of water is still rising so close to the transom that the fin *does* have the ability to raise the stern.
Some people may not like them or may not need them, for a variety of reasons. People who have tried them and do like them, do so for the reasons I have just stated. Would a bigger motor or different prop or a jackplate make a difference? Sure, but not for $50 bucks they won't. And even then, conditions could still be extent that would make a hydrofoil effective and desirable.
posted 07-12-2006 08:16 PM ET (US)
My 170 montauk is stock. So the motor came pre-rigged from the factory.
The reason why I like the fin is because I can plane at a lower rpm. It drove me nuts when the ocean is bad and your crawling along not planing the boat. The fin helped get me on plane when the water was just nasty.
I have noticed that lower hp engines on boats benefit from the fin. The higher hp engines has enough ummph to pop the boat on plane easily (I noticed this on my hydrasports).
Ken (170 montauk / 22 hydrasports vector wa)
posted 07-13-2006 12:04 AM ET (US)
Indeed I have.
My first 22 had a fin the the single Merc 200 on it when I bought it. The engine was mounted all the way down, and I ran it the way I bought it for the remaining few months of that first season.
The next spring, I did quit a bit of experimenting before I bought my current boat. I ran it with and without the fin, moved the engine up a couple of holes (which made a huge difference), and then actually put the fin back on to see if I could plane at lower speeds or get on a plane faster.
I found no appeciable difference in performance when the engine was mounted correctly. The fin was out of the water once I planed off. However, it did help with overall hole shot times and getting the bow to come down when it was used with the engine all the way down.
posted 07-13-2006 12:12 AM ET (US)
I notice a huge difference with my fin while in 6-8 foot swells.
No big difference in lakes and rivers.
posted 07-13-2006 08:45 AM ET (US)
What speeds are you running when you find those big differences with the foil?
posted 07-13-2006 08:55 AM ET (US)
I find it hard to accept the conjecture that one ought to add a hydro-foil appendage to a 190 MONTUAK before anyone has even tested the boat with or without one!
posted 07-13-2006 08:58 AM ET (US)
I couldn't agree more.
posted 07-13-2006 09:47 AM ET (US)
I own [a Boston Whaler 190 MONTAUK].
posted 07-13-2006 12:05 PM ET (US)
10-15 mph and especially in confused seas. This is the stuff some of us in Northern Califoria fish in.
SAT THROUGH MON
I wouldn't mind having a new 190 Montauk. With a 60 gallon fuel tank and assuming the 115 EFI gets around 5 mpg,
posted 07-13-2006 12:14 PM ET (US)
Now that you have one, do you think the 190 [unrecognized acronym] needs a fin? What speed does it fall off plane?
We could use your opinion.
BTW, got a flyer from Shock Boats last night. 1st 190 [unrecognized acronym] has been delivered in Newport and is available for a "1 time" promotional price of $31,000.
posted 07-14-2006 08:47 AM ET (US)
It does not need a doelfin. I have run plenty of boats with them. My experience is that they do help alot when you have a porpoising problem. This boat does not have that problem. As far as time to plane..... It is fine. With two adults, full of fuel, AND the livewell full, it planed very quickly. (Under 5 seconds) I never timed it, but it is just as fast as a new 170 (which I also have owned) I hit 39 mph on fairly calm water, but likely could have gotten more. It is bottom painted as well, and in salt water.
Remember, Doelfins can also CAUSE issues with turniong at speed, as well as some others. It is not a fix all.
This boat was designed from the start to be a simple boat much along the same vein as the 170. I would not be buying it to pull large adults skiing. Tubing, kneeboarding, etc... YES. For kids and small adults it's fine. Overall I am very impressed with it, and everyone that has been in the boat comments on how roomy and stable it is. HUGE bow area and wide walkaround beside the console. It is very quiet, and smooth as silk.
For was designed to do, it works well. Some comment about a 135 Verado option has come up alot, I don't know that I would personally foot the bill for the 135 upgrade even if it was available. You would have to pay for hydraulic steering, Smartcraft (likely) DTS, AND the upcharge to a SUPERCHARGED verado. Can you say add 5k! At that point I might be looking at an Outrage but that's me.
posted 07-14-2006 02:03 PM ET (US)
(being the 2-stroke fan that I am, I felt the need to add this to the conversation)
I'd really love to see the 3-star rated Optimax 135, and 115 as an option.
(okay.......I feel better know) ;-)
posted 07-19-2006 12:58 PM ET (US)
Does anyone have more specs on the Montauk 190?
I would like to know the draft of the hull.
posted 07-19-2006 01:15 PM ET (US)
LOA 19', Beam 8', Draft 12", Hull Weight 1900#, 8 Person Capacity, Bridge Clearance w/o top 5'.
Any other questions campers? :)
posted 07-20-2006 12:15 PM ET (US)
Thank you scupman!
posted 07-20-2006 05:02 PM ET (US)
1,680 lbs. hull weight per Whaler's website.
posted 07-21-2006 09:23 AM ET (US)
All dealers should have the pricing now. Base price w/ Trailer $28,174 plus add a battery, frieght and prep charges. Stripped low 30's but a typical boat with decent options & equipment mid $30's.
posted 07-26-2006 11:15 PM ET (US)
Love the message board guys. I am very interested in actually seeing the 190 Montauk in person. We have a 170 Montauk right now, and are ready to make the next step up simply because we need something a little bigger. Glad to see the price range jump will be reasonable. The 2 dealers I called thus far said mid $30's for a price range, but as anything else - it pays to shop around. I wish the Whaler website didn't remove the link to price the boats out with options and come up with an initial MSRP. Maybe the option is still there, but I couldn't find it anymore! At least they finally have the 190 Montauk specs info available to view online. All the pictures I've seen thus far look great.
posted 07-27-2006 08:03 PM ET (US)
You guy's seem pretty boat savy and I need advice. Interested in the Montauk 190 but am new to boat ownership. Is there real value in paying the Boston Whaler premium over others such as the McKee Craft Bay Classic 185?
posted 07-27-2006 09:22 PM ET (US)
I would like to know how the new Montauk hull perform in rough conditions. I don't know about you but, when I hear the sound of my whaler hull slincing trough rough seas, it just make me feel like a kid!
posted 07-27-2006 09:32 PM ET (US)
JimH, sorry about the double post but I moved this question over from a GAM thread.
On the Whaler website, the picture of the 190 Montauk bow shows something on both sides of the anchor locker. I can't tell if they are tackle drawers or something related to a sundeck option like a mounting bracket. Has anyone seen this in person? The two things I am talking about are mounted on the vertical surface in front of the cooler and to the sides of the anchor locker.
posted 07-27-2006 09:58 PM ET (US)
What your seeing is the bracket for the sun deck option.
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