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stiles_s posted 07-30-2006 07:56 PM ET (US)   Profile for stiles_s   Send Email to stiles_s  
Has anybody been able to negotiate a significant discount on one of these? I've called all over the state (WA) and they all insist it's a 1-price deal for the "classic" whalers.

Thanks,
Scott.

swist posted 07-31-2006 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Well this certainly contradicts the adjacent threads. If there are a lot of good condition year-old used 170's on the market, why would anyone pay MSRP?

Here in the Northeast, most Whaler dealers sell new at under MSRP, although not by a lot.

RippleRog posted 07-31-2006 12:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for RippleRog  Send Email to RippleRog     
I puruchased a 170 last July from Lake Union SR and was not able to negotiate any price break. Best I could do was to get them to throw in a safety kit and a swim ladder (I had to pay for swim ladder installation).
andygere posted 07-31-2006 12:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
You may have more luck negotiating on price if you walk into the dealership with cash in hand. A salesman that knows he can close the deal on the spot is much more likely to give up a bit of his margin. Over the phone, he has no incentive whatsoever. You may consider bringing along some ads for nearly new 170s from Boattrader etc.
stiles_s posted 07-31-2006 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for stiles_s  Send Email to stiles_s     
I've been pretty clear w/them that I'd be writing a check (cash) -- nothing. Nada. Whaler is offering 1k cash back now, which is nice, but I have an issue w/this one price thing based on years of programming :)

I called eastern washington, and got exactly the same schpiel. You'd think they'd offer to do *something* to get my business, but no -- especially since they have 7 170s in stock.

Scott.

highanddry posted 07-31-2006 02:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for highanddry  Send Email to highanddry     
It is summer time and despite the lower boat sales they are not tottaly unfortunate. Check back with him this fall. I was able to deal a little on my Nantucket because I bought it in the winter from a very isolated dealer. Don't expect a bunch off.
WT posted 07-31-2006 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
When I bought my 2004 170 Montauk I got a $1500 rebate from Boston Whaler during the boat shows. The dealer wouldn't discount anything on the pricing of the Montauk.

I want Boston Whaler to keep the new prices high.

Warren

Dick posted 07-31-2006 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I have been friends with the sales manager at Lake Union Sea Ray for 20 years. When I bought my 150 Montauk this year, check book in hand, he wouldn't budge on the MSRP. He told me that now that Whaler was publishing a MSRP there wasn't enough profit there for them to discount any of them.
stiles_s posted 07-31-2006 06:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for stiles_s  Send Email to stiles_s     
Wow :)

I'm probably going to go do the deal tonight. Wish me luck.

WT posted 07-31-2006 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
Good luck.

Like Dick, I also said I was paying cash (check) and it didn't matter one bit to the dealer.

Warren

tombro posted 08-01-2006 07:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for tombro  Send Email to tombro     
When I bought our 150 Sport in 2003, there was no movement on price. We were able to get 15% off the MSRP on our 2005 Ventura, however, last year. I just think they move too many Legend series hulls, making _that_ line a sellers market.
Bulldog posted 08-03-2006 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
From what I've read over the last couple years on the Montauk 170, I feel it is a fine boat built in the Whaler tradition and is also a "price leader", that is set up as a package to compete with the market. There probably is not much of margin on the boat for the dealers to cut the price, get into the larger boats and you will see some room probably. Good luck on buying your boat, get one and have a good time!.......Jack
chopbuster posted 08-03-2006 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for chopbuster  Send Email to chopbuster     
BW has apparently discontinued publishing "average retail prices" and the "build your own whaler" feature on their web-site.
Plotman posted 08-04-2006 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
A dealer is actually probably willing to give a little more on price on a boat that is financed because the origination fees and the ability to sell the loan give him another opportunity to capture margin. If you pay cash, all he can make is the margin on the sale.
swist posted 08-04-2006 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Plotman is right, the idea of offering cash on the barrelhead used to be an incentive for the dealer to deal, but that's all changed with computerized credit reporting and loan origination (and just plain more loan volume), it takes relatively little work to write a loan and if the dealer gets a piece of the action, they'd rather have you finance.

This is most definitely true for cars too. Cash isn't what it's made out to be :-)

gorji posted 08-04-2006 02:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for gorji  Send Email to gorji     
The whalers have always been on the high side. Alot of it has to do with the quality of our whalers. Making a whaler is labor intensive. No doubt we pay for the name as well. I a dying to buy a conquest 205 but at around 45-55, its too much $$. Thank god for the used market.
whalerdude posted 08-07-2006 10:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
let me know if you would be interested in a used 2006

i am thinking of trading up to a montauk 190

stiles_s posted 08-08-2006 04:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for stiles_s  Send Email to stiles_s     
I went the "other direction" and bought a 150 sport instead of the Montauk. Dealers still didn't budge from MSRP :)
Mel Wallace posted 08-24-2006 08:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mel Wallace  Send Email to Mel Wallace     
Call Colony Marine(1-586-772-1550) in Michigan. I just purchased a new 2006 170 Montauk with a 90 Merc and got the $1000 off from Boston Whaler, plus an additional $2400 off from Colony Marine. It was a 4 day, end of year special, but I would think they would still want to deal with you. They have 6-8 in stock. Ask for Rob Stubbs. Nice site you have here.
Colorado Whaler posted 08-26-2006 03:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Colorado Whaler  Send Email to Colorado Whaler     
Mel, I just posted on another message about the dealer, but I did call him and the deal is over. He recommends that I try to keep things going with my local dealer. He is not a volume dealer so I don't think that he is as interested in moving on the price like the big boys back east. I guess the chess game has begun and now it is his move, because he knows that I am ready to buy. I did read awhile back someone mention the possibility of BW offering 0% financing. That would really sweeten the deal and i may not be as hard nosed about price.

Thoughts???

Colorado Whaler

nydealer posted 08-26-2006 09:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for nydealer  Send Email to nydealer     
0% financing is not an option you will see in the marine industry. There are far more cars sold than boats so people get spoiled. Also, Don't expect to see any more rebates from Boston Whaler until boat shows in Jan/Feb 07. They used all alloted funds durring the last promotion.
swist posted 08-27-2006 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for swist  Send Email to swist     
Even if you could get 0% financing on a boat, there have been a number of analyses around for automobiles that indicate (surprise, surprise) there is no free lunch. Someone is paying for that money - and likely it is in the form of a discount you won't get that you might otherwise by paying interest.
wbullwin posted 08-28-2006 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for wbullwin  Send Email to wbullwin     
JoeyP - Where are you in Jersey? There is a dealer here in Southeastern Pennsylvania that has a 2006 leftover on special. I replied on the General area but Jim said we should be here. I found a 2006 170 Montauk a month ago that was pretty loaded for $24,000 but they had a special clear the decks sale back then. I don't know if it is still on.
trouter posted 08-28-2006 07:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for trouter  Send Email to trouter     
The "Clear the Decks" promotion is over
JoeyP posted 08-28-2006 07:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I'm over in Monmouth County New Jersey. The dealer here in Brielle has a 2005 with all the options. 90 HP 4 stroke with 23 hours on it. This boat has an hour meter installed.
he wants $21,500.00. I'm torn between this one and a new 2006 without so many options. Although, the 2006 has the EFI 90 HP four stroke. and with a fish package and Pate tank and tax I'm looking at $26,189.00
The Judge posted 08-23-2006 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for The Judge  Send Email to The Judge     
Saw 2005 leftovers for $19,995 2 stroke 90hp & $21,995 4 stroke both with trailers and comfort pkg.
JoeyP posted 08-23-2006 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Thanks your honor. Any internet sites that may have pricing or prices that you know of? I have three dealers to check in with here in Jersey.
Colorado Whaler posted 08-26-2006 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Colorado Whaler  Send Email to Colorado Whaler     
Judge,

Can you please let me know where these 2005 hold-outs are or 2006 that dealers may be willing to deal on. I am currently looking at a couple of 2006 Montauks here in Colorado, but no 2005's here.

Thanks,
Chris

Rich M posted 08-26-2006 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Rich M  Send Email to Rich M     
Here in NW lower MI I've seen three 2006 170 Montauk's at local dealers with various options (swim platform, bimini, fishing package) for around $26,000.
Colorado Whaler posted 08-26-2006 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Colorado Whaler  Send Email to Colorado Whaler     
I just spoke with the dealership you mention via phone and unfortunately the deal is over. I am hoping that our local dealer here will offer some incentives soon. He knows I want to buy one, but I refuse to pay MSRP. BW is a great boat, but hey its 2006 and the internet has made us all allot smarter when it comes to price. The common theme I keep hearing is that there is not not profit built into these boats. Thats a bunch of hogwash. I don't mind the dealer making money, but I don't want to have file a police report aftwards for being violated. Not sure if others feel the same, but hey a buck is a buck.

Chris

GreatBayNH posted 08-26-2006 08:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
For what it's worth, I paid just below 24K for a 2006 170 in April (in Maine). I got Swim platform, fishing package, and cushions.
JoeyP posted 08-27-2006 11:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Well I found each dealer had different options already on the Montauks they had. So you couldn't price apples to apples. But the common theme was about $24,500. Then add the sales tax of 7%.

I found a 2005 just commissioned this past April with 23 hours on it and every option including the Navman fishfinder (found that unusual) for $21,500.00. I'm going to try to grab it.

GreatBayNH posted 08-28-2006 01:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for GreatBayNH  Send Email to GreatBayNH     
Sales Tax? What's that? ;-)
One of the benefits of being a NH resident is that when buying cars or boats outside our state we are not charged a sales tax (NH has no sales tax). We just need to provide proof of residency. If you are a NH land or home owner however you're going to pay through the nose in taxes. Give and take I guess.

Good luck with you purchase. You're going to love it.

"Live Free or Die"

wbullwin posted 08-28-2006 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for wbullwin  Send Email to wbullwin     
I came close to buying a 2006, 170 Montauk with 4 stroke, bimini, fishing package, swim platform, and trailer. It listed at $25,600 something and he was going to sell it to me for $24,000 even. I then found a 2003 used with a 90 HP, 2 stroke with all that and even the electronics package and a custom cover for the console and seat for $15,900. I bought the used one.

This was all in Southeastern Pennsylvania area. I boat on the upper Chesapeake Bay.

jimh posted 08-28-2006 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Consolidated two concurrent discussions on this topic into this single thread]
JoeyP posted 08-29-2006 07:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Re-post to date response order:
I'm over in Monmouth County New Jersey. The dealer here in Brielle has a 2005 with all the options. 90 HP 4 stroke with 23 hours on it. This boat has an hour meter installed.
he wants $21,500.00. I'm torn between this one and a new 2006 without so many options. Although, the 2006 has the EFI 90 HP four stroke. and with a fish package and Pate tank and tax I'm looking at $26,189.00
mbking1 posted 08-29-2006 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for mbking1  Send Email to mbking1     
Hello

The local Whaler dealer was (or is) offering a new Montauk setup with everything for $23,800 +,_....Saw it on boattrader.com...

Aloha Marine..Holly Hill Florida

No connection, just wanted to pass it on..Hope someone from this forum can grab it

Mark

wbullwin posted 08-29-2006 03:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for wbullwin  Send Email to wbullwin     
That sounds like a good deal with only 23 hours. Good luck. Be careful of the Pate tank. There have been a lot of threads here about them. There was one in the 2003 I just bought and I had the dealer take it out and put in 2 six gallon plastic tanks. I didn't want to deal with the problems it may cause nor getting rid of it. I have heard a lot of bad press about the Pate tanks.
JoeyP posted 08-29-2006 09:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
Thanks. That Pate tank issue is a troublesome one. This tank was just installed in April. The dealer tells me that Pate says it should be ok. I just looked at anew 2006 Montauk being set up for a customer and noticed the new and improved Pate tank being installed on it. A closer look revealed the new tank had a yellow informational label stating that only up to 10% ethanol/gas mixture should be used. The other tank in the Montauk I'm buying had a label stating to avoid ethanol products in the tank as it may degrade the tank. Now...what to do. Roll the dice or demand the dealer upgrades the tank before I close on the boat?
jimh posted 08-30-2006 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If a new boat package has some component you don't want, like a fuel tank which can easily be removed, delete it from the deal and subtract the price out from the total.
WT posted 08-30-2006 01:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
stiles_s:

Here's an ad in Oregon.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v665/warrent/Misc/?action=view& current=BostonWhalerad8-30-06.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch2

Good luck,

Warren

JoeyP posted 08-30-2006 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeyP  Send Email to JoeyP     
I got the 2005 Montauk I mentioned previously, the one with all the options, for $21000.00 even. The dealer came down another $500.00. I also learned that motor comes with an extended warranty until 2011. That pretty much sealed the deal. Thanks to all for the input.

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