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royaloakwhaler posted 08-08-2006 06:26 PM ET (US)
190 Montauk starts at $28k. Loaded 190 Outrage $51000!
http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Rec/default.asp?content=boats&family=legend& number=190&type=Montauk
jimh posted 08-08-2006 09:11 PM ET (US)
[This article was originally posted to THE GAM but has been moved to this discussion area because this discussion area is specifically designed to discuss this topic.]
stiles_s posted 08-08-2006 09:26 PM ET (US)
Great, so this goes offline for the duration of the time I'm shopping for a Whaler and comes back right after I buy one.
Now I realize that the dealer charged me roughly 500 over MSRP for my 150Sport. The fine print says it doesn't include "dealer freight and prep" -- but $500?
Gotta love it when the dealership appears to be taking advantage of the "one price" on classic whalers and fleecing people.
Thoughts? Should I go raise hell?
stiles_s posted 08-08-2006 09:39 PM ET (US)
nevermind. I should have never looked and I don't have the time to waste worrying about it. I'm going to go enjoy the boat now :)
WhalerAce posted 08-09-2006 12:32 AM ET (US)
Wow. Even though I bleed Chinese Red and my skin is Desert Tan, I just don't know how people can pay that much for a new Whaler.
The more I read about these prices, the more I love my older Classic Whalers. (As soon as I add that GTX to the fleet . . .) And while I can appreciate the modern technology and tremendous engineering effort that goes into today's outboards, my carbureted Yamahas do just fine. Oh, they may take an extra minute or so to first crank and smoke a little bit, but that just clears the mosquitos away at the ramp. Once they warm up, they run just fine. And as little as we really get to run the Temptation, it would be YEARS before I even approaced a break-even point buying a more modern engine.
I say more power to you people who CAN pay $28 K for the new Montauks, and I would love to have one. But all in all, I still think I'd rather have the wood-adorned pre '90s version more.
Did not mean to derail the thread.
--Ace
Sal A posted 08-09-2006 04:10 AM ET (US)
Someone asked me, "Why would anyone spend over $30,000 for any 18' Whaler new, let alone used?" The answer : "So they don't have to pay %50,000."
This reinforces the notion made on this site many times: the single greatest factor affecting sale prices of used Boston Whaler boats is the price of new Boston Whaler boats.
fno posted 08-09-2006 07:52 AM ET (US)
I just priced out my 210 Outrage. Mine is an 05 with a 225 Merc four stroke. I used the 225 Opti(Verado way too high!!) price and all the same options and got $59,600 without trailer. I paid $50K with an aluminum trailer. Go figure, it's starting feel like an investment.... yeah right!!!!
swist posted 08-09-2006 08:52 AM ET (US)
Isn't it pretty unusual to see MSRPs posted on manufacturers' web sites? Usually they want the dealers to quote the MSRP, at which point they can make up any number that suits them (like raise it $5K and then give you another $5K off).
So I think I'm giving Whaler some cedit here, I think.
The more important price, though, is the cost to the dealer. That seems to be a carefully guarded secret in the boat biz. (They will "leak" it to you so you know they're not making much, or even losing money on the sale. Right.).
Sal A posted 08-09-2006 08:59 AM ET (US)
My guess is that a $50,000 MSRP 190 Outrage costs Brunswick $18,000 to make, and costs the dealer (with incentives, floorplan credit, whatever) $33,000ish, and that you would buy it for $45,000 or so.
uidb5298 posted 08-09-2006 09:15 AM ET (US)
I just bought a 2006 190 Outrage loaded (150 Verado, Fishing package, Electronics instelled, Bimini Top, etc.) and I didn't pay 50K for it. I payed less if you were wondering.
bluewaterpirate posted 08-09-2006 11:49 AM ET (US)
There's bunches of wiggle room for the dealers. Got a call from Marine Max Wrightsville Beach, NC on Monday they are selling their remaining 06 stock at reduced prices.
They list a 06 235 Conquest loaded out Verado 225 etc MSRP 94918.00 on their web site. The sale price is 69000.00 with some additional wiggle room for cost reduction. You could probably get it out the door for 65000.00.
Tom
Sal A posted 08-09-2006 12:25 PM ET (US)
Now that is a deal BlueWaterPirate; I know because I looked closely to that boat before I pulled the trigger on a different one. Well, it is a deal if you have the cash lying around anyway....
highanddry posted 08-09-2006 01:31 PM ET (US)
I payed a bit over 30,000 for my Opti 150 Nantucket. If new ones are over 50,000 dollars then I got a steal. Mine is increasingly loaded with folding scuba tank racks, Dri-Deck, Humminbird 987c, VHF, bimini, dual batteries.
Future purchases, tabs, second sonar unit, Mills forward shelter, four blade prop, purpose made dive ladder, set back plate, ski pylon, spot light
I have currently cut patterns for a wooden leaning post with storage, teak side rails and bifloding console door
Yiddil posted 08-09-2006 10:13 PM ET (US)
Yikes...It keeps geting worse on the price of these huh!! I Have a 2004, with all the soup and nuts, sun lounge Bow Dodger, canvas Binini COVers etc, no were near 30 thou.........until I added everything. I figured 45,000 last year, now its above that!!! No wonder sales have slowed! I know its got to be hard to put down that kind of money for a boat, or worse, finance it...so it costs 10 times that buy the time your payed off! I think WHaler will charge what they think they can get for one...someone once said there markup is 30 percent over the factory...so what would that make the boat then...35 thou at cost?? I can't belive it only 18....??????????????? Anyway, Last year we talked about the 20 Eastport costing 50 ish...and I said I was glad I bought the Nantucket and kept 20 thou plus for other things...Im a ral happy camper now!!!!!
Dick posted 08-09-2006 11:05 PM ET (US)
stiles_s
You didn't get screwed on the $500.00 over MSRP charge.
The drive to Edgewater to pick one up would cost you more in fuel alone and then you have motels and food on the road.
They usually ship 6 boat on a truck and the shipping costs are broken down to the boat size. Shipping charge divided by the total footage on the trailer and then divided by the boat length.
Dealer prep isn't much, all they have to do is install the prop, test run the engine and clean the boat. Probably a couple hours.
erik selis posted 08-10-2006 10:09 AM ET (US)
It looks like they also removed the picture of the 170 Montauk where the tall guy is at the helm, standing in a very uncomfortable position. You know, the one where it looks like he had an accident in his pants.
Erik
whalerdude posted 08-10-2006 02:52 PM ET (US)
I am considering selling my 2006 Montauk and getting the Montauk 190. I like the size and the price is very reasonable compared to the 190 Outrage.
I would like to hear from any 190 Montauk owners of the performance -top speed.
how is the new motor.
I am not crazy about having a new design for the engine. I prefer the Yamaha 115 and the yamaha controls and gauges.
swist posted 08-11-2006 03:04 PM ET (US)
He had an accident in his pants because he saw the 2006 Whaler MSRP's.

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royaloakwhaler	posted 08-08-2006 06:26 PM ET (US) 190 Montauk starts at $28k. Loaded 190 Outrage $51000! http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Rec/default.asp?content=boats&family=legend& number=190&type=Montauk
jimh	posted 08-08-2006 09:11 PM ET (US) [This article was originally posted to THE GAM but has been moved to this discussion area because this discussion area is specifically designed to discuss this topic.]
stiles_s	posted 08-08-2006 09:26 PM ET (US) Great, so this goes offline for the duration of the time I'm shopping for a Whaler and comes back right after I buy one. Now I realize that the dealer charged me roughly 500 over MSRP for my 150Sport. The fine print says it doesn't include "dealer freight and prep" -- but $500? Gotta love it when the dealership appears to be taking advantage of the "one price" on classic whalers and fleecing people. Thoughts? Should I go raise hell?
stiles_s	posted 08-08-2006 09:39 PM ET (US) nevermind. I should have never looked and I don't have the time to waste worrying about it. I'm going to go enjoy the boat now :)
WhalerAce	posted 08-09-2006 12:32 AM ET (US) Wow. Even though I bleed Chinese Red and my skin is Desert Tan, I just don't know how people can pay that much for a new Whaler. The more I read about these prices, the more I love my older Classic Whalers. (As soon as I add that GTX to the fleet . . .) And while I can appreciate the modern technology and tremendous engineering effort that goes into today's outboards, my carbureted Yamahas do just fine. Oh, they may take an extra minute or so to first crank and smoke a little bit, but that just clears the mosquitos away at the ramp. Once they warm up, they run just fine. And as little as we really get to run the Temptation, it would be YEARS before I even approaced a break-even point buying a more modern engine. I say more power to you people who CAN pay $28 K for the new Montauks, and I would love to have one. But all in all, I still think I'd rather have the wood-adorned pre '90s version more. Did not mean to derail the thread. --Ace
Sal A	posted 08-09-2006 04:10 AM ET (US) Someone asked me, "Why would anyone spend over $30,000 for any 18' Whaler new, let alone used?" The answer : "So they don't have to pay %50,000." This reinforces the notion made on this site many times: the single greatest factor affecting sale prices of used Boston Whaler boats is the price of new Boston Whaler boats.
fno	posted 08-09-2006 07:52 AM ET (US) I just priced out my 210 Outrage. Mine is an 05 with a 225 Merc four stroke. I used the 225 Opti(Verado way too high!!) price and all the same options and got $59,600 without trailer. I paid $50K with an aluminum trailer. Go figure, it's starting feel like an investment.... yeah right!!!!
swist	posted 08-09-2006 08:52 AM ET (US) Isn't it pretty unusual to see MSRPs posted on manufacturers' web sites? Usually they want the dealers to quote the MSRP, at which point they can make up any number that suits them (like raise it $5K and then give you another $5K off). So I think I'm giving Whaler some cedit here, I think. The more important price, though, is the cost to the dealer. That seems to be a carefully guarded secret in the boat biz. (They will "leak" it to you so you know they're not making much, or even losing money on the sale. Right.).
Sal A	posted 08-09-2006 08:59 AM ET (US) My guess is that a $50,000 MSRP 190 Outrage costs Brunswick $18,000 to make, and costs the dealer (with incentives, floorplan credit, whatever) $33,000ish, and that you would buy it for $45,000 or so.
uidb5298	posted 08-09-2006 09:15 AM ET (US) I just bought a 2006 190 Outrage loaded (150 Verado, Fishing package, Electronics instelled, Bimini Top, etc.) and I didn't pay 50K for it. I payed less if you were wondering.
bluewaterpirate	posted 08-09-2006 11:49 AM ET (US) There's bunches of wiggle room for the dealers. Got a call from Marine Max Wrightsville Beach, NC on Monday they are selling their remaining 06 stock at reduced prices. They list a 06 235 Conquest loaded out Verado 225 etc MSRP 94918.00 on their web site. The sale price is 69000.00 with some additional wiggle room for cost reduction. You could probably get it out the door for 65000.00. Tom
Sal A	posted 08-09-2006 12:25 PM ET (US) Now that is a deal BlueWaterPirate; I know because I looked closely to that boat before I pulled the trigger on a different one. Well, it is a deal if you have the cash lying around anyway....
highanddry	posted 08-09-2006 01:31 PM ET (US) I payed a bit over 30,000 for my Opti 150 Nantucket. If new ones are over 50,000 dollars then I got a steal. Mine is increasingly loaded with folding scuba tank racks, Dri-Deck, Humminbird 987c, VHF, bimini, dual batteries. Future purchases, tabs, second sonar unit, Mills forward shelter, four blade prop, purpose made dive ladder, set back plate, ski pylon, spot light I have currently cut patterns for a wooden leaning post with storage, teak side rails and bifloding console door
Yiddil	posted 08-09-2006 10:13 PM ET (US) Yikes...It keeps geting worse on the price of these huh!! I Have a 2004, with all the soup and nuts, sun lounge Bow Dodger, canvas Binini COVers etc, no were near 30 thou.........until I added everything. I figured 45,000 last year, now its above that!!! No wonder sales have slowed! I know its got to be hard to put down that kind of money for a boat, or worse, finance it...so it costs 10 times that buy the time your payed off! I think WHaler will charge what they think they can get for one...someone once said there markup is 30 percent over the factory...so what would that make the boat then...35 thou at cost?? I can't belive it only 18....??????????????? Anyway, Last year we talked about the 20 Eastport costing 50 ish...and I said I was glad I bought the Nantucket and kept 20 thou plus for other things...Im a ral happy camper now!!!!!
Dick	posted 08-09-2006 11:05 PM ET (US) stiles_s You didn't get screwed on the $500.00 over MSRP charge. The drive to Edgewater to pick one up would cost you more in fuel alone and then you have motels and food on the road. They usually ship 6 boat on a truck and the shipping costs are broken down to the boat size. Shipping charge divided by the total footage on the trailer and then divided by the boat length. Dealer prep isn't much, all they have to do is install the prop, test run the engine and clean the boat. Probably a couple hours.
erik selis	posted 08-10-2006 10:09 AM ET (US) It looks like they also removed the picture of the 170 Montauk where the tall guy is at the helm, standing in a very uncomfortable position. You know, the one where it looks like he had an accident in his pants. Erik
whalerdude	posted 08-10-2006 02:52 PM ET (US) I am considering selling my 2006 Montauk and getting the Montauk 190. I like the size and the price is very reasonable compared to the 190 Outrage. I would like to hear from any 190 Montauk owners of the performance -top speed. how is the new motor. I am not crazy about having a new design for the engine. I prefer the Yamaha 115 and the yamaha controls and gauges.
swist	posted 08-11-2006 03:04 PM ET (US) He had an accident in his pants because he saw the 2006 Whaler MSRP's.